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George Jung
03-30-2014, 09:24 AM
.... 'Anything for a Buck$'... The man is an embarrassment.


WISCONSIN has been an environmental leader since 1910, when the state’s voters approved a constitutional amendment promoting forest and water conservation. Decades later, pioneering local environmentalists like Aldo Leopold and Senator Gaylord Nelson, who founded Earth Day (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/earth_day/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) in 1970, helped forge the nation’s ecological conscience.
But now, after the recent passage of a bill that would allow for the construction of what could be the world’s largest open-pit iron ore mine, Wisconsin’s admirable history of environmental stewardship is under attack.
The mine, to be built by Gogebic Taconite (GTac), owned by the coal magnate Chris Cline, would be in the Penokee Hills, in the state’s far north — part of a vast, water-rich ecosystem that President John F. Kennedy described in 1963, in a speech he delivered in the area, as “a central and significant portion of the freshwater assets of this country.”
The $1.5 billion mine would initially be close to four miles long, up to a half-mile wide and nearly 1,000 feet deep, but it could be extended as long as 21 miles. In its footprint lie the headwaters of the Bad River, which flows into Lake Superior, the largest freshwater lake in the world and by far the cleanest of the Great Lakes. Six miles downstream from the site is the reservation of the Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, whose livelihood is threatened by the mine.
To facilitate the construction of the mine and the company’s promise of 700 long-term jobs, Gov. Scott Walker (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/scott_k_walker/index.html?inline=nyt-per) signed legislation last year granting GTac astonishing latitude. The new law allows the company to fill in pristine streams and ponds with mine waste. It eliminates a public hearing that had been mandated before the issuing of a permit, which required the company to testify, under oath, that the project had complied with all environmental standards. It allows GTac to pay taxes solely on profit, not on the amount of ore removed, raising the possibility that the communities affected by the mine’s impact on the area’s roads and schools would receive only token compensation.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/opinion/sunday/the-fight-for-wisconsins-soul.html?_r=0

I'm especially puzzled by the voters of Wisconsin - I thought them historically Democrat/liberal/environmentalists. What happened?

oznabrag
03-30-2014, 09:33 AM
That is disgusting.

Somebody needs to hang for this.

elf
03-30-2014, 09:34 AM
It's a town and gown thing. The bottom quarter of the state is quite forward looking, but the great mass of the rest is full of very conservative and religious farmers. As we've discussed endlessly, these people are under siege by the economic mess, and are turning more and more to god and not taking care of any but their own. They don't want their children out in the world taking contraceptive pills and not getting properly married and maybe even refusing to pretend that they're straight for life.

And then there are all the poor, non-white or non-Christian people in Milwaukee. Cities scare these rural people. They'd just as soon not be part of a state that has Milwaukee and Madison in it.

It's not just Wisconsin.

I see it right here in Falmouth, MA, where most of my town simply doesn't understand the people in Woods Hole.

These people are like Rod, who only see what's right in front of their noses. And what they see is that they're living on the edge of poverty and they need a good job. If that job might destroy their childrens' hunting and fishing grounds, well it's a job.

bogdog
03-30-2014, 09:38 AM
.... 'Anything for a Buck$'... The man is an embarrassment.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/opinion/sunday/the-fight-for-wisconsins-soul.html?_r=0

I'm especially puzzled by the voters of Wisconsin - I thought them historically Democrat/liberal/environmentalists. What happened?

As long as folks don't get confused between "Buck$" and "Bucky!"

Unfortunately even the best of families can spawn aberrations, there's four in our family, we have no idea how such a thing could have happened. It really has stressed the family ties.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-30-2014, 11:06 AM
I have a personal interest in that part of Wisconson because I have numerous relatives living in Ashland and Bayfield counties. They bought clear-cut land there starting in 1910. They are still very numerous there altho' a lot have gone elswhere because of the aweful winter weather and the limited economic opportunities.
Even tho' this area is hell and gone from everywhere three counties along the Lake Superior shore, Ashland, Bayfield and Douglas are bastions of the Democratic party. I can't say why that is.
From looking at the map the locale of the strip mine would effect run off , not only into the Bad River that flows into Lake Superior but possibly into the Chippewa and Flambeau rivers that flow into the Mississippi. No matter what Rick Scott does I can't imagine the federal EPA not stepping in and doing serious analysis of the potential dangers.
It so happens at the moment I am wearing a sweatshirt that says "Odanah WI". Odanah is the one and only town on the Bad River Indian reservation.
Thanks for the heads-up.

Chip-skiff
03-30-2014, 06:07 PM
The Bad River band of Chippewa are filing cases on this, and I hope they prevail.

The mining companies and lobbyists have donated $15 million to Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans.

SMARTINSEN
03-30-2014, 06:15 PM
"Goggle-eyed homunculus hired by Koch Industries to manage its midwest subsidiary formerly known as the state of Wisconsin."

Iceboy
03-31-2014, 08:57 AM
You've never really been to Wisconsin have you?

It's a town and gown thing. The bottom quarter of the state is quite forward looking, but the great mass of the rest is full of very conservative and religious farmers. As we've discussed endlessly, these people are under siege by the economic mess, and are turning more and more to god and not taking care of any but their own. They don't want their children out in the world taking contraceptive pills and not getting properly married and maybe even refusing to pretend that they're straight for life.

And then there are all the poor, non-white or non-Christian people in Milwaukee. Cities scare these rural people. They'd just as soon not be part of a state that has Milwaukee and Madison in it.

It's not just Wisconsin.

I see it right here in Falmouth, MA, where most of my town simply doesn't understand the people in Woods Hole.

These people are like Rod, who only see what's right in front of their noses. And what they see is that they're living on the edge of poverty and they need a good job. If that job might destroy their childrens' hunting and fishing grounds, well it's a job.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-31-2014, 09:05 AM
You've never really been to Wisconsin have you?

Kind of a generic right-wing ripost, no?

elf
03-31-2014, 09:27 AM
You've never really been to Wisconsin have you?
I lived in Wisconsin for 9 years, thank you.

oznabrag
03-31-2014, 10:40 AM
T shirt?

I would think a strait-jacket would be more appropriate!

John Smith
03-31-2014, 10:43 AM
I don't know what's surprising. given enough cash to spread whatever you want the voters to believe, and you can get them to believe it. Especially if it's convenient for them to believe.

Koch brothers have the money. People vote against their own interest all the time; they just don't realize it because they've been misinformed.

Iceboy
03-31-2014, 12:49 PM
Not right wing at all. Just commenting on elf's post containing many generalizations that just aren't true. Madison and Milwaukee are 2 entirely different creatures from the rest of the state and each other. To classify the rest of the state as a bunch of conservative and religious farmers is misleading at best. Next time you are in our fir state make a pilgrimage to Portage county. Liberalism is not confined to Dane and Milwaukee counties. B theway, I have never me anyone from outside the city that was afraid to go there.
Kind of a generic right-wing ripost, no?