4" biaxial tape

[Mike Vogdes]

I'm having trouble finding 12oz 4" biaxial fiberglass tape... any sugestions?

Fisheries is out of stock, Jamestown doesn't carry it...

[Mike Vogdes]

I'm having trouble finding 12oz 4" biaxial fiberglass tape... any sugestions?

Fisheries is out of stock, Jamestown doesn't carry it...

[Mike Vogdes]

I'm having trouble finding 12oz 4" biaxial fiberglass tape... any sugestions?

Fisheries is out of stock, Jamestown doesn't carry it...

[wscherf]

Got mine through System 3. The tape was a lot more expensive than buying by the yard, so I bought a few yards and sliced off strips with a box knife. Worked pretty slick.

[wscherf]

Got mine through System 3. The tape was a lot more expensive than buying by the yard, so I bought a few yards and sliced off strips with a box knife. Worked pretty slick.

[wscherf]

Got mine through System 3. The tape was a lot more expensive than buying by the yard, so I bought a few yards and sliced off strips with a box knife. Worked pretty slick.

[NormMessinger]

And, the nice thing about making your own is you can cut it at 45degrees to the warp so it goes around corners better and both warp and weft cross the seam.

But check out Sytem Three. They carry both woven tape in several widths and really heavy stitched bi-axel.

--Norm

[NormMessinger]

And, the nice thing about making your own is you can cut it at 45degrees to the warp so it goes around corners better and both warp and weft cross the seam.

But check out Sytem Three. They carry both woven tape in several widths and really heavy stitched bi-axel.

--Norm

[NormMessinger]

And, the nice thing about making your own is you can cut it at 45degrees to the warp so it goes around corners better and both warp and weft cross the seam.

But check out Sytem Three. They carry both woven tape in several widths and really heavy stitched bi-axel.

--Norm

[JimConlin]

I start with the 45-45 biax, then cut it into strips the long way. If it's cut across the roll, the knitting is across the strip and it goes badly out of shape.
The 'pizza cutters' fron the yardgoods shop work well for cutting this stuff.

[JimConlin]

I start with the 45-45 biax, then cut it into strips the long way. If it's cut across the roll, the knitting is across the strip and it goes badly out of shape.
The 'pizza cutters' fron the yardgoods shop work well for cutting this stuff.

[JimConlin]

I start with the 45-45 biax, then cut it into strips the long way. If it's cut across the roll, the knitting is across the strip and it goes badly out of shape.
The 'pizza cutters' fron the yardgoods shop work well for cutting this stuff.

[cs]

Over at bateau.com they have tape in their store. I didn't see any 4" 12 oz tape but they did have 6" 12 oz tape. Here is a link to their tape selection.

web page (http://boatbuildercentral.com/composites/listing.htm/Fiberglass+Tape)

I think that their stuff is from System 3.

Chad

[cs]

Over at bateau.com they have tape in their store. I didn't see any 4" 12 oz tape but they did have 6" 12 oz tape. Here is a link to their tape selection.

web page (http://boatbuildercentral.com/composites/listing.htm/Fiberglass+Tape)

I think that their stuff is from System 3.

Chad

[cs]

Over at bateau.com they have tape in their store. I didn't see any 4" 12 oz tape but they did have 6" 12 oz tape. Here is a link to their tape selection.

web page (http://boatbuildercentral.com/composites/listing.htm/Fiberglass+Tape)

I think that their stuff is from System 3.

Chad

[Mike Vogdes]

Thank for the replies!

I am building a Devlin Honker and the tape schedule calls for 4" 6" then 8". I'm cosidering stagering two layers of 6" then overlay 8" eliminating the 4", however a couple of you mentioned cutting tape from cloth, how about buying extra 8" and cutting it in half?

I have never had good luck cutting cloth into tape in the past, allways wanted to unravel on me.

[Mike Vogdes]

Thank for the replies!

I am building a Devlin Honker and the tape schedule calls for 4" 6" then 8". I'm cosidering stagering two layers of 6" then overlay 8" eliminating the 4", however a couple of you mentioned cutting tape from cloth, how about buying extra 8" and cutting it in half?

I have never had good luck cutting cloth into tape in the past, allways wanted to unravel on me.

[Mike Vogdes]

Thank for the replies!

I am building a Devlin Honker and the tape schedule calls for 4" 6" then 8". I'm cosidering stagering two layers of 6" then overlay 8" eliminating the 4", however a couple of you mentioned cutting tape from cloth, how about buying extra 8" and cutting it in half?

I have never had good luck cutting cloth into tape in the past, allways wanted to unravel on me.

[Tom Lathrop]

Jim is correct about cutting parallel to the stitch lines. Otherwise it gets completely out of shape. By far the best way to cut it is with a carbide dressmaker's wheel cutter. It doesn't actually cut the fibers but breaks them.

Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding.

[Tom Lathrop]

Jim is correct about cutting parallel to the stitch lines. Otherwise it gets completely out of shape. By far the best way to cut it is with a carbide dressmaker's wheel cutter. It doesn't actually cut the fibers but breaks them.

Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding.

[Tom Lathrop]

Jim is correct about cutting parallel to the stitch lines. Otherwise it gets completely out of shape. By far the best way to cut it is with a carbide dressmaker's wheel cutter. It doesn't actually cut the fibers but breaks them.

Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding.

[On Vacation]

Mike a point of interest , I place a level down to hold the glass down. I make sure I cut it on a good flat surface with no voids or snags on it. I change my razor knife blades more frequently, also. The holding down seems to work pretty good for me. I also only cut when I get ready to use it. That keeps it from soiling, laying around and unraveling also. Just thinking out loud.

[On Vacation]

Mike a point of interest , I place a level down to hold the glass down. I make sure I cut it on a good flat surface with no voids or snags on it. I change my razor knife blades more frequently, also. The holding down seems to work pretty good for me. I also only cut when I get ready to use it. That keeps it from soiling, laying around and unraveling also. Just thinking out loud.

[On Vacation]

Mike a point of interest , I place a level down to hold the glass down. I make sure I cut it on a good flat surface with no voids or snags on it. I change my razor knife blades more frequently, also. The holding down seems to work pretty good for me. I also only cut when I get ready to use it. That keeps it from soiling, laying around and unraveling also. Just thinking out loud.

[John of Phoenix]

Tom said


Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding Tom, how do the two compare cost-wise? Same performance? And where would one get some synthetic dress lining?

[John of Phoenix]

Tom said


Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding Tom, how do the two compare cost-wise? Same performance? And where would one get some synthetic dress lining?

[John of Phoenix]

Tom said


Put in all layers at one time and roll on peelply or synthetic dress lining and you will get a smooth surface than needs little or no sanding Tom, how do the two compare cost-wise? Same performance? And where would one get some synthetic dress lining?

[Mike Vogdes]

Tom,
I think I will give your method of all tape layers at once a try this time. You say you put the peel ply on last?
I have heard to make up a wet-out box out of plywood, then lay the peel ply down, resin, next the 8" then the 6" then 4", wet everything out real good then pick the whole thing up and apply.
I am working alone..

[Mike Vogdes]

Tom,
I think I will give your method of all tape layers at once a try this time. You say you put the peel ply on last?
I have heard to make up a wet-out box out of plywood, then lay the peel ply down, resin, next the 8" then the 6" then 4", wet everything out real good then pick the whole thing up and apply.
I am working alone..

[Mike Vogdes]

Tom,
I think I will give your method of all tape layers at once a try this time. You say you put the peel ply on last?
I have heard to make up a wet-out box out of plywood, then lay the peel ply down, resin, next the 8" then the 6" then 4", wet everything out real good then pick the whole thing up and apply.
I am working alone..

[NormMessinger]

That sound like a good approach Mike. Though I've always laid directly on the seam.

Oh, yeah, cutting on the bias as I suggested makes the tape go every which way if you let it. That's the idea, round corners and lay flat. Someday maybe I'll test my other assumption that two plies crossing a seam at a 45 is stronger than one crossing at 90 and the other doing nothing.

--Norm

[NormMessinger]

That sound like a good approach Mike. Though I've always laid directly on the seam.

Oh, yeah, cutting on the bias as I suggested makes the tape go every which way if you let it. That's the idea, round corners and lay flat. Someday maybe I'll test my other assumption that two plies crossing a seam at a 45 is stronger than one crossing at 90 and the other doing nothing.

--Norm

[NormMessinger]

That sound like a good approach Mike. Though I've always laid directly on the seam.

Oh, yeah, cutting on the bias as I suggested makes the tape go every which way if you let it. That's the idea, round corners and lay flat. Someday maybe I'll test my other assumption that two plies crossing a seam at a 45 is stronger than one crossing at 90 and the other doing nothing.

--Norm

[Klow]

I also can't seem to find 12 oz tape from any of my sources, but I've bought a roll or two of 9 oz tape from Merton's Fiberglass supply, see link below. Small one man operation, nice guy, likes to talk boats and the prices are good.

merton's fiberglass (http://www.mertons.com/fibgls02.htm)

IMHO I'd definitly go with tape over trying to cut strips from cloth, the hemmed edges make a world of difference.

[Klow]

I also can't seem to find 12 oz tape from any of my sources, but I've bought a roll or two of 9 oz tape from Merton's Fiberglass supply, see link below. Small one man operation, nice guy, likes to talk boats and the prices are good.

merton's fiberglass (http://www.mertons.com/fibgls02.htm)

IMHO I'd definitly go with tape over trying to cut strips from cloth, the hemmed edges make a world of difference.

[Klow]

I also can't seem to find 12 oz tape from any of my sources, but I've bought a roll or two of 9 oz tape from Merton's Fiberglass supply, see link below. Small one man operation, nice guy, likes to talk boats and the prices are good.

merton's fiberglass (http://www.mertons.com/fibgls02.htm)

IMHO I'd definitly go with tape over trying to cut strips from cloth, the hemmed edges make a world of difference.

[On Vacation]

Mike I use a piece of 6 inche pvc pipe cut in half. I make a plywood square piece to allow the half moon pipe at each ends to hold it steady. Put a sheetrock screw down into the plywood piece through the pipe.This keep the excess resin from laying out on the flat plywood box and mimizes the waste also.

[On Vacation]

Mike I use a piece of 6 inche pvc pipe cut in half. I make a plywood square piece to allow the half moon pipe at each ends to hold it steady. Put a sheetrock screw down into the plywood piece through the pipe.This keep the excess resin from laying out on the flat plywood box and mimizes the waste also.

[On Vacation]

Mike I use a piece of 6 inche pvc pipe cut in half. I make a plywood square piece to allow the half moon pipe at each ends to hold it steady. Put a sheetrock screw down into the plywood piece through the pipe.This keep the excess resin from laying out on the flat plywood box and mimizes the waste also.

[JimConlin]

I buy peelply from Aircraft Spruce. It's about $3/yd. for 64" width. Works much better than dress lining. Also available from http://www.peelply.com/

Mike V-
your 4-6-8 layup can be done with three 6" strips:
___
___
___

I've tried glomming a whole wad of peelply and several strips of tabbing on in one great plaster. It works if you're not going around much of a corner.

Squeegee with conviction to get the mess flat and the extra resin out.

[JimConlin]

I buy peelply from Aircraft Spruce. It's about $3/yd. for 64" width. Works much better than dress lining. Also available from http://www.peelply.com/

Mike V-
your 4-6-8 layup can be done with three 6" strips:
___
___
___

I've tried glomming a whole wad of peelply and several strips of tabbing on in one great plaster. It works if you're not going around much of a corner.

Squeegee with conviction to get the mess flat and the extra resin out.

[JimConlin]

I buy peelply from Aircraft Spruce. It's about $3/yd. for 64" width. Works much better than dress lining. Also available from http://www.peelply.com/

Mike V-
your 4-6-8 layup can be done with three 6" strips:
___
___
___

I've tried glomming a whole wad of peelply and several strips of tabbing on in one great plaster. It works if you're not going around much of a corner.

Squeegee with conviction to get the mess flat and the extra resin out.

[Raven 271]

What exactly is peelply?

[Raven 271]

What exactly is peelply?

[Raven 271]

What exactly is peelply?

[capt jake]

What exactly is peelply? "879 Release Fabric
Economical Release Fabric is a tough, finely woven nylon fabric treated with a release agent. It is used to separate the absorber, breather and vacuum bag from the laminate in vacuum bagging operations. Excess epoxy bleeds through and is peeled from the cured laminate along with the Release Fabric. It's also used in hand lay-up applications to allow more squeegee pressure and protect the lay-up from contamination. Peels easily and leaves a smooth textured surface, ready for bonding or finishing. Not recommended for post-cure temperatures over 120°F (49°C). 60" wide x 2 yd., 10 yd. rolls. 60" x 9" sheet."

As sated on West System's site. smile.gif

[capt jake]

What exactly is peelply? "879 Release Fabric
Economical Release Fabric is a tough, finely woven nylon fabric treated with a release agent. It is used to separate the absorber, breather and vacuum bag from the laminate in vacuum bagging operations. Excess epoxy bleeds through and is peeled from the cured laminate along with the Release Fabric. It's also used in hand lay-up applications to allow more squeegee pressure and protect the lay-up from contamination. Peels easily and leaves a smooth textured surface, ready for bonding or finishing. Not recommended for post-cure temperatures over 120°F (49°C). 60" wide x 2 yd., 10 yd. rolls. 60" x 9" sheet."

As sated on West System's site. smile.gif

[capt jake]

What exactly is peelply? "879 Release Fabric
Economical Release Fabric is a tough, finely woven nylon fabric treated with a release agent. It is used to separate the absorber, breather and vacuum bag from the laminate in vacuum bagging operations. Excess epoxy bleeds through and is peeled from the cured laminate along with the Release Fabric. It's also used in hand lay-up applications to allow more squeegee pressure and protect the lay-up from contamination. Peels easily and leaves a smooth textured surface, ready for bonding or finishing. Not recommended for post-cure temperatures over 120°F (49°C). 60" wide x 2 yd., 10 yd. rolls. 60" x 9" sheet."

As sated on West System's site. smile.gif

[JimConlin]

I think it's more commonly of polyester.
Some of it is rated for quite high temperatures, if you plan a high-temperature post-cure.

It saves a lot of work and helps get better layups. At $.12/ft^2, it's a bargain.

[JimConlin]

I think it's more commonly of polyester.
Some of it is rated for quite high temperatures, if you plan a high-temperature post-cure.

It saves a lot of work and helps get better layups. At $.12/ft^2, it's a bargain.

[JimConlin]

I think it's more commonly of polyester.
Some of it is rated for quite high temperatures, if you plan a high-temperature post-cure.

It saves a lot of work and helps get better layups. At $.12/ft^2, it's a bargain.

[Tom Lathrop]

I get dress lining from a mill end outlet at about half or less the cost of peelply. It works slick for me and can't see hop Peelply could be much better. One main thing is that it is available locally. I look for only the finest weave and slickest finish. To me, it looks identical to Peelply.

I've tried assembling the complete layup off-boat as described by Devlin but found it awkward. I do wet out all tape on a plastic covered board and then assemble on the boat, rolling each layer with the serrated roller.

[Tom Lathrop]

I get dress lining from a mill end outlet at about half or less the cost of peelply. It works slick for me and can't see hop Peelply could be much better. One main thing is that it is available locally. I look for only the finest weave and slickest finish. To me, it looks identical to Peelply.

I've tried assembling the complete layup off-boat as described by Devlin but found it awkward. I do wet out all tape on a plastic covered board and then assemble on the boat, rolling each layer with the serrated roller.

[Tom Lathrop]

I get dress lining from a mill end outlet at about half or less the cost of peelply. It works slick for me and can't see hop Peelply could be much better. One main thing is that it is available locally. I look for only the finest weave and slickest finish. To me, it looks identical to Peelply.

I've tried assembling the complete layup off-boat as described by Devlin but found it awkward. I do wet out all tape on a plastic covered board and then assemble on the boat, rolling each layer with the serrated roller.

[Mike Vogdes]

Thanks to everyone for all your good ideas.
Have decieded to order some extra 8" and cut my own. Also gonna try some dress lining and the fabric cutter. The tape should be here tomorrow so I should be taping by Friday.

[Mike Vogdes]

Thanks to everyone for all your good ideas.
Have decieded to order some extra 8" and cut my own. Also gonna try some dress lining and the fabric cutter. The tape should be here tomorrow so I should be taping by Friday.

[Mike Vogdes]

Thanks to everyone for all your good ideas.
Have decieded to order some extra 8" and cut my own. Also gonna try some dress lining and the fabric cutter. The tape should be here tomorrow so I should be taping by Friday.

[Mike Vogdes]

Just a follow up on dress lining vs peel ply.

I finished taping my hull together today and found the fabric dress lining to work just as well as peel ply at a fraction of the cost.

West marine sells peel ply in small quanities only, so if you were to buy it thru them you would soon go broke. They sell a package with a piece that measures 9"x96" for about $10.00, I did as Tom Lathrop suggested and found a dress lining in a frabric store that was very similar, it was 54" wide and 7 yards cost me $20.00.

If you have never used peel ply or dress lining befor you really are spending way to much time sanding. It only takes a few minutes to apply after your layup and eliminates hours of fairing.

[Mike Vogdes]

Just a follow up on dress lining vs peel ply.

I finished taping my hull together today and found the fabric dress lining to work just as well as peel ply at a fraction of the cost.

West marine sells peel ply in small quanities only, so if you were to buy it thru them you would soon go broke. They sell a package with a piece that measures 9"x96" for about $10.00, I did as Tom Lathrop suggested and found a dress lining in a frabric store that was very similar, it was 54" wide and 7 yards cost me $20.00.

If you have never used peel ply or dress lining befor you really are spending way to much time sanding. It only takes a few minutes to apply after your layup and eliminates hours of fairing.

[Mike Vogdes]

Just a follow up on dress lining vs peel ply.

I finished taping my hull together today and found the fabric dress lining to work just as well as peel ply at a fraction of the cost.

West marine sells peel ply in small quanities only, so if you were to buy it thru them you would soon go broke. They sell a package with a piece that measures 9"x96" for about $10.00, I did as Tom Lathrop suggested and found a dress lining in a frabric store that was very similar, it was 54" wide and 7 yards cost me $20.00.

If you have never used peel ply or dress lining befor you really are spending way to much time sanding. It only takes a few minutes to apply after your layup and eliminates hours of fairing.

[capt jake]

Good advice Mike. Thanks!!

[capt jake]

Good advice Mike. Thanks!!

[capt jake]

Good advice Mike. Thanks!!