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miracle2014
03-06-2014, 03:11 PM
if you spot this type of cam cleat online anywhere , give me a shout please, its from a miracle dinghy , mine is kernakkered http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y409/racinggreen4/m3_zps6279d9db.jpg

NickW
03-06-2014, 03:23 PM
It's a standard Holt Allen cam cleat. I can't quite read the part number stamped on it. Try Trident UK http://www.tridentuk.com/gb/

Nick

miracle2014
03-06-2014, 03:26 PM
It's a standard Holt Allen cam cleat. I can't quite read the part number stamped on it. Try Trident UK http://www.tridentuk.com/gb/

Nick

thanks nick , ive tried there site but no joy, i might pop in and see if they have any old stock lying around,there were a couple on ebay but i just missed them

Rapelapente
03-06-2014, 03:45 PM
here you'll find what you need:

http://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/decksbeschlaege/klemmen/schotklemmen-curryklemmenhttp://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/decksbeschlaege/klemmen/schotklemmen-curryklemmen

not cheap ...
http://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/decksbeschlaege/klemmen/schotklemmen-curryklemmen/schotklemme-wilmex-typ1

Peerie Maa
03-06-2014, 03:47 PM
Not identical, but a reasonable equivalent http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Tuph-Fittings-Tuphnol-Cam-Cleat-Bullseye-Fairlead-Up-to-15mm-Dia-Line-/131120603799

Or Classic Marine http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/boatstore/product.asp?strParents=0&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=101&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1

capefox
03-06-2014, 04:07 PM
Tell us more about your Miracle dinghy.

Brian Palmer
03-06-2014, 05:01 PM
I have something similar with a metal base. They are pretty simple to take apart. What is kernackered about them? It may be repairable.

Brian

miracle2014
03-06-2014, 05:17 PM
I have something similar with a metal base. They are pretty simple to take apart. What is kernackered about them? It may be repairable.

Brian

just as i sussed out what was wrong with it i happened upon your post brian, it is only the spring inside that has snapped so should be able to get one somewhere, i wrongly assumed they were a sealed unit but they are quite easy to open up as you mentioned

miracle2014
03-06-2014, 05:53 PM
taken apart , the broken spring on the right
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y409/racinggreen4/IMAG0249_zps016f3542.jpg

Brian Palmer
03-06-2014, 10:09 PM
You shouldn't have too much trouble finding a new spring or someone who can make one for you.

Brian

miracle2014
03-07-2014, 06:08 AM
You shouldn't have too much trouble finding a new spring or someone who can make one for you.

Brian
pleased i took it apart as it had all kinds of grit n goo inside on the plate which would have eventually jammed open

miracle2014
03-07-2014, 05:26 PM
looks like im having to fashion a suitable spring for the nakkered one, proving difficult to find ready made , am i right thinking the steel needs to be heated to 500 degrees in order to shape it correctly, any ideas ?

obscured by clouds
03-07-2014, 05:32 PM
I might have what you want but I'll have to delve into various boxes and bins, so it might be a few days before I get back to you

Peerie Maa
03-07-2014, 05:37 PM
I would look for some stainless wire. I use strands from an off cut from a big boats shroud or forestay. See if your local rigger has any in his scrap bin. That will be stiff enough to form the spring without being heated then tempered. The problem with softening wire before forming it is achieving the correct temper all through the length of the spring.

Jamesh
03-07-2014, 05:54 PM
Put the spring + 10 in the post to
Brian Russell
airedale springs
haworth.

And i will eat my hat if you don't get one back in a few days.
mention James howgego and it will puzzle him!
Yours James

miracle2014
03-07-2014, 05:57 PM
I might have what you want but I'll have to delve into various boxes and bins, so it might be a few days before I get back to you

many many thanks , think ive sussed it out with the springs ive ordered, they are similar and just need a heat up and bend to shape.

miracle2014
03-07-2014, 06:02 PM
Put the spring + 10 in the post to
Brian Russell
airedale springs
haworth.

And i will eat my hat if you don't get one back in a few days.
mention James howgego and it will puzzle him!
Yours James

brilliant , i had a nice chuckle at that, reminds me of a local shop here many years ago where you could go in with the most obscure need for a spare part , and every time the shop owner would find what you wanted , always amazed me

Peerie Maa
03-07-2014, 06:46 PM
many many thanks , think ive sussed it out with the springs ive ordered, they are similar and just need a heat up and bend to shape.

How are you going to regain the temper after you have heated it?

miracle2014
03-08-2014, 06:08 AM
How are you going to regain the temper after you have heated it?

from what i can remember from college , which is not much , and tube video , seems to point to heat treatment then quenching in oil to gain temper, but i am probably missing out a lot , it looks quite an art to get it right

Peerie Maa
03-08-2014, 07:36 AM
from what i can remember from college , which is not much , and tube video , seems to point to heat treatment then quenching in oil to gain temper, but i am probably missing out a lot , it looks quite an art to get it right

That would leave it hard and brittle. You then need to temper it by heating. You have to polish off all of the black oxide, then heat it evenly until it forms a blue oxide layer over all of it. The colours change from straw through blue to purple and black. You need to heat it evenly so it all turns blue at the same time, then quench it to stop the process.

This is not easy to get right, which is why I recommend that you use a strand of stainless rigging wire. Already springy enough, capable of being bent, and you want stainless rather than spring steel anyway.