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ron ll
01-14-2014, 06:29 PM
Apologies for cross posting to two forums, but I think this deserves to be seen. This is the Bob Perry 62' built by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding in Port Hadlock, WA.
Also see Pless's thread at http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...from-Bob-Perry (http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?160675-A-new-62-double-ender-from-Bob-Perry) for more info.
Incredible boat.

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r560/ron_ll/sliverA_zps050e889e.jpg?t=1389741657

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r560/ron_ll/sliverB_zpsedd183c5.jpg?t=1389741657

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r560/ron_ll/sliverC_zpsa22fd5c0.jpg?t=1389741654

MiddleAgesMan
01-14-2014, 08:31 PM
I was following the build until recently. It will be good to see it wet.

Well done, Mr. Perry, and the crew at Port Townsend Wooden Boat School.

KimB
01-14-2014, 11:09 PM
She was built by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding in Port Hadlock, WA.

She had her keel mounted, was painted, rigged and other finishing work done by CSRMarine in Ballard (Seattle)

Her name is "Francis Lee"

Sliver was her build nickname.

ron ll
01-14-2014, 11:36 PM
Sorry I got some details skewed, I just discovered her when I saw her at CSR. I somehow missed the story earlier. Francis Lee is a beauty, congratulations to you and all involved!

purri
01-15-2014, 02:07 AM
Better named Splinter.

slug
01-15-2014, 02:48 AM
Looks like an impractical single hull catamaran.

why build such a thing ?...the worst of both worlds

Paul Pless
01-15-2014, 07:45 AM
Looks like an impractical single hull catamaran.

why build such a thing ?...the worst of both worlds

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Keith Wilson
01-15-2014, 08:10 AM
Well, sailboats in general are pretty impractical. I think she'd be a total blast, very fast with moderate sail. Wet, though. Sort of like the more extreme square-meter-rule boats, but with a bulb keel and separate rudder.

http://sacsmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/11828021_102_160220111709_4-500x375.jpg

Henning 4148
01-15-2014, 08:11 AM
Upwind work in a Breeze when there is a bit of a swell going. It should be difficult to catch such a boat in such conditions. Remember the Rs, the Skerry cruisers and the Squaremeters?

Paul Pless
01-15-2014, 08:15 AM
Well, sailboats in general are pretty impractical. I think she'd be a total blast, very fast with moderate sail. Wet, though. Sort of like the more extreme square-meter-rule boats, but with a bulb keel and separate rudder.

She reminds me of a stretched Herreshoff Arion, err. . . just a giant sailing stripper canoe ;)

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-design/32111d1243641405-why-yawl-ketch-instead-sloop-lines.gif

http://classicsailboats.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/arion.jpg

Keith Wilson
01-15-2014, 08:32 AM
Upwind work in a Breeze when there is a bit of a swell going.Berkeley to the Golden Gate, or even out to the Farallons on a summer afternoon. The mainsail would be wet halfway up, or even farther, but what a ride! :d

Figment
01-15-2014, 08:32 AM
I loved the concept, liked the design, and really enjoyed the early stages of the build.
Lately I like it less and less every time I see it.

I think I need to wait until launching and sailing to really make up my mind on this one.

rbgarr
01-15-2014, 09:18 AM
The anchor rollers at bow and stern are unfortunate.

KimB
01-15-2014, 10:15 AM
Looks like an impractical single hull catamaran.

why build such a thing ?...the worst of both worlds

Because I wanted to.........you can build what you want.

KimB
01-15-2014, 10:16 AM
The anchor rollers at bow and stern are unfortunate.

We are thinking of painting them flat black to make them less noticeable.

KimB
01-15-2014, 10:17 AM
I loved the concept, liked the design, and really enjoyed the early stages of the build.
Lately I like it less and less every time I see it.

I think I need to wait until launching and sailing to really make up my mind on this one.

Anything specific you don't like?

KimB
01-15-2014, 10:18 AM
Well, sailboats in general are pretty impractical. I think she'd be a total blast, very fast with moderate sail. Wet, though. Sort of like the more extreme square-meter-rule boats, but with a bulb keel and separate rudder.

http://sacsmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/11828021_102_160220111709_4-500x375.jpg

She won't be as wet as my old 30 which is the one in your picture.

KimB
01-15-2014, 10:20 AM
Better named Splinter.


Nope, Francis Lee is the name of my late Dad, the vessel is named after him.

ron ll
01-15-2014, 10:50 AM
Because I wanted to.........you can build what you want.

Perfect! Best answer in the bilge in a long time. :D :D

ron ll
01-15-2014, 10:53 AM
Kim, is the stern anchor roller because you will anchor the stern while on your mooring can rather than swing 360?

Figment
01-15-2014, 11:03 AM
Anything specific you don't like?

It may simply be that the finishing details are not to my taste.
I have a serious dislike of black bottom paint on sailboats. As silly as that is, now that I've actually typed it and it's staring back at me from the screen, that might be the thing that's killing it for me.

Not that my opinion should matter to you at all, really.

Figment
01-15-2014, 11:04 AM
Because I wanted to.........you can build what you want.

Hell yes.

slug
01-15-2014, 11:13 AM
It may simply be that the finishing details are not to my taste.
I have a serious dislike of black bottom paint on sailboats. As silly as that is, now that I've actually typed it and it's staring back at me from the screen, that might be the thing that's killing it for me.

Not that my opinion should matter to you at all, really.

it also appears from the picture that the waterline is not sheered.


http://s12.postimg.org/j392ggwr1/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
sube fotos (http://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)

Figment
01-15-2014, 11:18 AM
Yes, I do normally favor a bit more swoop to the waterline and the bootstripe, but that really applies more to boats with a substantial B:L ratio.

This boat is so slender that going for the flat look has some merit.

slug
01-15-2014, 11:24 AM
Particularly important on a narrow boat with fine, easily submerged ends. Without sheer they always look bow down or stern down

KimB
01-15-2014, 01:47 PM
Yes, I do normally favor a bit more swoop to the waterline and the bootstripe, but that really applies more to boats with a substantial B:L ratio.

This boat is so slender that going for the flat look has some merit.

Bob Perry laid out the Bootstripe in person with the paint crew. Somehow I think Bob knows what he is doing. He likes it and I like it. But we haven't had her in the water except briefly to test her trim, so we will have to see how she looks after she gets splashed for real. Those details are easily changed if necessary.

Bob says if we add sheer to the waterline or bootstripe she would have a banana look. I think I will go with Bob's opinion on this one.

But I welcome all comments, even negative ones, you never know where you will find good ideas.

KimB
01-15-2014, 01:48 PM
It may simply be that the finishing details are not to my taste.
I have a serious dislike of black bottom paint on sailboats. As silly as that is, now that I've actually typed it and it's staring back at me from the screen, that might be the thing that's killing it for me.

Not that my opinion should matter to you at all, really.

No worries, most of the bottom paint will be underwater soon.

KimB
01-15-2014, 01:50 PM
Sorry I got some details skewed, I just discovered her when I saw her at CSR. I somehow missed the story earlier. Francis Lee is a beauty, congratulations to you and all involved!

Nice pictures Ron, I saved them. Thanks!

KimB
01-15-2014, 01:55 PM
Kim, is the stern anchor roller because you will anchor the stern while on your mooring can rather than swing 360?

Actually I have both a bow and stern buoy at my mooring as we sometimes get a bit of a swell in our harbor. The stern roller will be the primary anchoring end. She's a double-ender so she should anchor well by the stern with her mast keeping her into the wind. That way I can anchor from the cockpit and not have to make the long hike to her bow.

ron ll
01-15-2014, 02:05 PM
Nice pictures Ron, I saved them. Thanks!

When I was taking the pictures some guy came by and said, "Is that yours?" I shook my head forlornly and said, "Sadly no." But in the two seconds before I answered him it was a fun fantasy. :)

John Meachen
01-15-2014, 04:26 PM
Reminds me of the William Gardner double ender-Oceanus?Similarly long and lean with a shape that had no concessions to anything other than passing smoothly through the water.I hope somebody with a camera is nearby during sailing trials (hint!).

KimB
01-15-2014, 04:40 PM
Reminds me of the William Gardner double ender-Oceanus?Similarly long and lean with a shape that had no concessions to anything other than passing smoothly through the water.I hope somebody with a camera is nearby during sailing trials (hint!).

Bill Garden's Oceanus was one of several vessels that helped to inspire this project. Others were: Ray Hunt 210, Bruce King Nantucket Splinter, LFH Rozinante, LFH Istalena among others.......

rbgarr
01-15-2014, 05:48 PM
Let's hope Francis Lee has more luck (or is built better) than Nantucket Splinter. http://www.boatshop24.com/us/marine-able-nantucket-splinter/Sailboat/61895

Her ballast keel fell off and there was a lawsuit. This from the judgment:

The arbitrator found that a failure to install floor timber bolts during the construction of the yacht caused the Splinter's ballast keel to separate from her hull. He awarded owner Sarvis a total of almost $200,000 for the loss of his personal property on board, a tooling rebate, damages and shipment expenses on the yacht, the loss of its use, litigation expenses, and attorneys' fees.

(I think Tad Roberts might know more about the construction issues.)

Carl Cramer and Mickey should be pleased by the 210 inspiration!

KimB
01-15-2014, 09:47 PM
Let's hope Francis Lee has more luck (or is built better) than Nantucket Splinter. http://www.boatshop24.com/us/marine-able-nantucket-splinter/Sailboat/61895

Her ballast keel fell off and there was a lawsuit. This from the judgment:

The arbitrator found that a failure to install floor timber bolts during the construction of the yacht caused the Splinter's ballast keel to separate from her hull. He awarded owner Sarvis a total of almost $200,000 for the loss of his personal property on board, a tooling rebate, damages and shipment expenses on the yacht, the loss of its use, litigation expenses, and attorneys' fees.

(I think Tad Roberts might know more about the construction issues.)

Carl Cramer and Mickey should be pleased by the 210 inspiration!

Yes, I am well aware of the Splinter story, but she was fixed up and went on to be a fine vessel. (Our "Floors" are 316SS and I have personally checked the bolts.)

Duncan Gibbs
01-15-2014, 10:45 PM
Not knowing anything about here Ballast/Disp' ratio, but just the look of the long body with a reasonably hard turn down below I think she'll put her rail down hard and firm and smoke right along leaving most to contemplate what was that knife that was beside them a moment ago but is now just over the horizon.

Are you going for a tweaker on most lines, or are the controls set up for basic cruising?

KimB
01-15-2014, 11:07 PM
Not knowing anything about here Ballast/Disp' ratio, but just the look of the long body with a reasonably hard turn down below I think she'll put her rail down hard and firm and smoke right along leaving most to contemplate what was that knife that was beside them a moment ago but is now just over the horizon.

Are you going for a tweaker on most lines, or are the controls set up for basic cruising?

Displacement (light) will be about 19,000 pounds, (heavy about 20,000)
Ballast 7500 in bulb and another 1700 in the steel fin.
SA about 1000 sq ft ( no overlapping headsails)
LWL 55'

We are seeking the best balance between performance and ease of sailing. Tweakers are very possible, they are fairly easy to use and rig.

TR
01-16-2014, 02:18 PM
Let's hope Francis Lee has more luck (or is built better) than Nantucket Splinter. http://www.boatshop24.com/us/marine-able-nantucket-splinter/Sailboat/61895



No luck involved.....As far as I've seen Francis Lee is properly and beautifully designed, engineered, and built, and the whole impressively documented on line. The Splinter was built by shysters pretending to be boatbuilders, real boatbuilders got her sorted eventually, but it took a while.

Concordia 33
01-16-2014, 02:34 PM
She reminds me of a stretched Herreshoff Arion, err. . . just a giant sailing stripper canoe ;)

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-design/32111d1243641405-why-yawl-ketch-instead-sloop-lines.gif



http://classicsailboats.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/arion.jpg

She reminds me of the Ray Hunt designed 512.

http://www.huntdesigns.com/images/pages/custom-43-01-photo01-sm.jpghttp://www.huntdesigns.com/images/pages/custom-43-01-photo02-sm.png

Lew Barrett
01-16-2014, 02:35 PM
Best of luck and a full measure of enjoyment with her, Kim.

rbgarr
01-20-2014, 09:19 PM
Arion's half model at the Herreshoff Museum (rudder not shown)

http://i40.tinypic.com/35ar952.jpg

LeeG
01-20-2014, 09:36 PM
I wish I was there, that's all.

KimB
09-15-2015, 11:15 PM
Article in this month's Sailing Magazine by Neil Rabinowitz about FRANCIS LEE (Sliver).

Bob Perry and I were interviewed by offcenterharbor.com at the PT Wooden Boat Show for a video to be on their website sometime in the future.

So far this vessel has vastly exceeded our rather high expectations. Bob is quite proud of the design and I am a very happy client.

Fast, well mannered, comfortable below and easy to handle. Hard to beat those attributes.

The article: http://sailingmagazine.net/article-1664-bob-perry-designed-double-ender-sliver.html

Duncan Gibbs
09-15-2015, 11:55 PM
Great write up! Love to see a bunch more pics as well, pretty please!

KimB
09-16-2015, 12:02 AM
Search the Internet for Bob Perry Sliver. Or Bob Perry Francis Lee. There are many posts on various websites.

wizbang 13
09-16-2015, 06:07 AM
Was she just at the PT festival ?
Between Joshua and Martha?

Duncan Gibbs
09-16-2015, 07:36 AM
http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-content/files/2015/02/Sliver-sailing-2-NR.jpg

http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-content/files/2015/02/Sliver-cabin-aft-NR.jpg

http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-content/files/2015/02/Sliver-profile-sail-NR.jpg

http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-content/files/2015/02/Sliver-foredeck-NR.jpg

http://08.static.wehaaserver.com/sailingmagazine-net/images/perry-sliver-sail-11.2546.650x451.1.jpg

Tom Hunter
09-16-2015, 08:53 AM
@KimB Thank you for taking the time to document all this, and to post on the forum. Great boat, great thread.

KimB
09-16-2015, 09:48 AM
Was she just at the PT festival ?
Between Joshua and Martha?

Yes, that was her, she was always going to be named after my late father FRANCIS LEE, but early on some people called her SLIVER so that was her build name.

stromborg
09-16-2015, 11:41 AM
I didn't realize Francis Lee was a wooden boat until seeing her at the PTWBF last weekend. She is quite a sight on her mooring and very impressive close-up.