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Ian McColgin
01-09-2014, 09:54 AM
[IMc - How's that for an "If it bleeds, it leads" thread title?]

NEW DETAILS: State group defends officers' actions in teen shooting death
Posted: Jan 05, 2014 1:51 PM EST
Updated: Jan 08, 2014 5:43 PM EST

By: WECT Staff

BOILING SPRING LAKES, NC (WECT) For the first time since an officer shot and killed a teenager in Boiling Spring Lakes over the weekend, we are getting the perspective from the officers' point of view.* The information comes from the North Carolina Police Benevolent Association, which is representing two of the officers.

The NCPBA says it has assigned local counsel for both Boiling Spring Lakes Officer John Thomas and Detective Bryon Vassey from the Southport Police Department after Sunday's incident. Vassey is currently on paid administrative leave with Southport.

On Sunday, Keith Vidal's parents called police for help after they say the 18-year-old was suffering from a schizophrenic episode and was carrying a screwdriver in his hand. At the scene, Vidal's stepfather Mark Wilsey said an officer shot and killed his son after a confrontation at their home on President Drive.

What happened

District Attorney Jon David has not named the three officers involved in the incident, because he said it is part of an ongoing State Bureau of Investigation query that he and other agencies requested.

David would not release any details about the investigation, but a Brunswick County event report she more light. According to the report, the first unit on scene was a Boiling Spring Lakes officer who arrived at 12:34 p.m. He was joined shortly after by two additional BSL officers and a Brunswick County Sheriff's Deputy.

The first unit on scene reported a confrontation in the hallway, but told Brunswick County Dispatchers several times that everything was OK.

Unit 104 from Southport arrived on the scene at 12:48:41, fourteen minutes after the first officer had already been on scene.

Seventy seconds later, Unit 104 radioed out that he had to fire shots at the subject in order to defend himself.

Law enforcement and the attorney for one of the officers have refused to comment on what took place to date, but the Police Benevolent Association described the activities Wednesday.

A release from the PBA says Officer Thomas was first to the scene. They say Vidal failed to comply with repeated requests to drop his weapon, so officers tased him. The PBA says after being tased, Vidal "made physical contact with Officer Thomas using the hand holding the deadly weapon."

The PBA release said the officers realized there was an immediate threat on Officer Thomas' life, so Detective Vassey "employed authorized law enforcement action to stop the continuing threat of deadly harm to Officer Thomas and others."

The PBA calls this investigation a routine protocol.

What the family is saying

The event report mirrors what family members told the media.

Wilsey said his family called the police to help with his son who has schizophrenia*and had a small screwdriver in his hand. Officers used a Taser on Vidal and then shot him, according to Wilsey.

Wilsey said officers had his son down on the ground after the teen was tased a few times and an officer said, "we don't have time for this." That's when Wilsey says the officer shot in between the officers holding the teen down, killing his son.

"There was no reason to shoot this kid," Wilsey said. "They killed my son in cold blood. We called for help and they killed my son."

The family said police shot Vidal because he had the screwdriver in his hand. They said it was a tiny screwdriver, though, that would not have hurt anyone.*

Both parents said they had to watch their son die in front of them. They said Vidal had just turned 18 years old and only weighed about 90 pounds.

Vidal's mother, also at the scene, said she could not understand what happened.

"Where is the justice, why did they shoot my son?," she asked. "This is what's wrong with our mental health system."

According to David, investigators responded to the scene immediately and began working as a team to start gathering evidence. The district attorney said investigations area a search for the truth, and he's confident that everyone involved will find the truth.

The family said they recently*lost their daughter in a car accident and this is the second child they will have to bury.

Neighbors said Vidal played with their children and he never was violent. *They said he had a history of depression and schizophrenia, but he was never harmful to others.

Vidal's mother said she had tried multiple times to get Vidal help for his mental illness. Emergency services treated her for a breakdown at the scene.

Vidal was a student at South Brunswick High School. According to a spokesperson for the school, a crisis team was at the high school Monday to offer support for students and staff.

The District Attorney's Office held a news conference Monday afternoon to discuss the incident. The family said they were not invited to the press conference, but showed up anyway with signs, pictures and posters hoping for justice for their lost loved one.

Southport

According to Southport Police Chief Jerry Dove, Detective Vassey was placed on leave in connection to his involvement in the shooting, though Dove would not confirm if Vassey was the one who pulled the trigger.

Vassey has been employed at the Southport Police Department since December 2004. This is the first time he's been placed on administrative leave.

Brunswick County

According to Brunswick County Sheriff John Ingram, an internal investigation of the deputy who was assisting during the incident shows she did not discharge her firearm.

Ingram said the investigation determined Deputy Samantha Lewis "did not discharge her firearm during the incident, but did engage her Taser."

"Our Office of Professional Standards determined her actions to be appropriate, within policy and was not in violation of any NC laws," said Ingram. "Details of the circumstances that lead Dep. Lewis to utilize her taser will be forthcoming as the investigation progresses."

Lewis was cleared to return to active duty.

"I would like the family of Keith Vidal to know that they are in our thoughts and prayers," said Ingram. "I am a parent, as are many of the men and women who serve at the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office, and I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child under any circumstances."

Boiling Spring Lakes

The Boiling Spring Lakes Police Chief has cleared his officers of any wrong doing at the scene. Chief Brad Shirley says an internal review shows his officers did not break any laws. They responded to help Vidal's family, during what they called a schizophrenic episode.

Vidal's family has hired a team of lawyers. They're calling the investigation a "cover-up" by law enforcement and the District Attorney's Office.

Attorney James Payne represents the alleged shooter in this investigation. Payne would not go into detail about what happened or even name his client, but maintains that his client didn't do anything wrong.

"We have full faith and confidence in all agencies involved," said James Payne. "To say it's a cover up is saying that these men and women lack integrity and that's not true."

Payne invited WECT.com to his office on Tuesday, promising a "different perspective" on what happened that day. However, he refused to go into specifics about the case.

"Law enforcement officers are called to many scenes and many things can happen in a split second that are totally unexpected," said Payne. "So, one should not be hung up on a certain period of time to draw conclusions from that."

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Ian McColgin
01-09-2014, 09:55 AM
Detective on leave didn't have CIT training for mental health

Posted: Jan 08, 2014 12:08 AM EST
Updated: Jan 08, 2014 5:57 PM EST

By: Craig Reck
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BRUNSWICK COUNTY, NC (WECT) – A detective on administrative leave for his involvement in an officer-involved shooting has not completed a widely-recognized training program for emergency responders and mental health situations.

Crisis Intervention Team training, offered by Coastal Care, is a 40-hour course that teaches first responders about the signs and symptoms associated with mental health.

Kate Murphy, Member Communications Specialist for Coast Care, said the program relies on law enforcement officers and mental health experts to teach the coursework, which includes role-play scenarios.

Agencies can offer their own in-house training, but CIT training is a internationally-recognized model, according to Murphy.

Detective Bryon Vassey with Southport Police Department *is currently on administrative leave for his role in the officer-involved shooting that claimed the life of 18-year-old Keith Vidal.

Vassey has not completed CIT training, according to SPD Chief Jerry Dove. He said several of his officers have, but not all of them because of the size of his force.

"I can't send them all at once," Dove said Tuesday afternoon.

There is no recertification process for officers, but Murphy said there are refresher courses available. She added that the first issue of a newly created news letter was just sent out to officers who have completed training.

J. Michael McGuinness, who is representing Officer John Thomas with Boiling Spring Lakes Police, in this case said he expects first responders to encounter more situations involving mental health.

"It seems we've got a very stress laden society," he said. "We have individuals with all sorts of, not just mental but physical, conditions that can impact their behaviors."

BSLPD Chief Brad Shirley shared a release earlier Tuesday that said all of his officers cleared an international investigation into their handling of the officer-involved shooting.

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slug
01-09-2014, 09:58 AM
Sad story.

Canoeyawl
01-09-2014, 12:26 PM
"Wilsey said officers had pinned Vidal to the ground after he had been tased and one of the officers said, “We don’t have time for this” and shot his stepson."

link (http://fox8.com/2014/01/07/father-we-called-for-help-and-they-killed-my-son/)

pefjr
01-09-2014, 01:11 PM
So what else is new, a team of Lawyers see a big payday, and so do the parents.
They said it was a tiny screwdriver, though, that would not have hurt anyone.*
So, why did they call the police?

Ian McColgin
01-09-2014, 01:53 PM
Silly question Bud.

Even if he had no object in hand, parents who are not trained in safe restraint should call the cops if a child becomes threatening this way.

He was down. He was at least partly incapacitated by more than one taser hit. The officer who killed him had to shoot between the two cops who had him at least partly restrained on the floor.

pefjr
01-09-2014, 02:29 PM
Silly question Bud.

Even if he had no object in hand, parents who are not trained in safe restraint should call the cops if a child becomes threatening this way.

He was down. He was at least partly incapacitated by more than one taser hit. The officer who killed him had to shoot between the two cops who had him at least partly restrained on the floor.We will see. I think Cops in situations like this need a video like traffic cops, just to protect themselves.

David Tabor (sailordave)
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
We had an incident near here a few months ago. Woman that was handing out samples at the local COSTCO had been off her meds and started acting weird and was holding a knife and scissors. FIVE deputies responded. They tased her but evidently the taser failed. When she advanced towards one deputy, another shot her 4 times.

I still can't help wonder why ONE of the other deputies didn't have a gun that fires rubber bullets. Same in this situation. If you know you're dealing w/ someone that has mental issues, take some weapons that aren't LETHAL. Tasers do misfire and people don't always get the full effect of the taser. The prongs might get hung up in clothing or something too.

Phillip Allen
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
We will see. I think Cops in situations like this need a video like traffic cops, just to protect themselves.

I don't think they need the video... they already have a huge national union with a single, highly focused aim

jpb54
01-09-2014, 09:22 PM
This should scare the crap out of anyone who has a family member with any type of mental illness .

JMAC
01-09-2014, 09:35 PM
I think patience should be the number one protocol. So many of these cop-kills-someone stories could have been resolved peacefully if police kept to a safe distance and talked to the person.

slug
01-10-2014, 03:30 AM
I think patience should be the number one protocol. So many of these cop-kills-someone stories could have been resolved peacefully if police kept to a safe distance and talked to the person.

When you give a man a gun , that gun becomes his brain..it becomes the tool that he uses to solve problems with.

If those cops had been unarmed , they would have used other techniques to control the situation.

If police are not aware of non lethal techniques, they should be re educated.

Phillip Allen
01-10-2014, 10:57 AM
When you give a man a gun , that gun becomes his brain..it becomes the tool that he uses to solve problems with.

If those cops had been unarmed , they would have used other techniques to control the situation.

If police are not aware of non lethal techniques, they should be re educated.

do you REALLY believe that to be as universal as you have stated?

Ian McColgin
01-10-2014, 11:07 AM
We have seen on this Forum remarks against Tasars based on the theory that once they are issued, they will be over-used. Is there some reason that if that argument is true for Tasars, it's not true for firearms?

slug
01-10-2014, 01:43 PM
Look at British police and firearms...then compare to American Police.


both societies have criminals..the British police reject guns, lethal force, and use other methods to solve problems.

the British statistics highlight the success of this approach.


In this NC ,sick boy , incident the first two cops correctly used training and non deadly force to subdue the boy ....the third policeman , with a gun in his hand, executed the poor boy....he did not attempt to use non lethal force.

he solved the problem with his gun.

Jim Mahan
01-10-2014, 01:55 PM
Something we see in both news stories and tv fiction: when the cops decide to use their guns , they automatically fire way, way more shots then are necessary and almost always continue firing to ensure a fatality. That should not be the case. It is the ultimate in police brutality.
I have maintained for a long time that society should have a draft for anyone over 18 to serve a year on a police force before they can be eligible to vote. If we all took a turn, I am sure we would experience more effective police work with more genuine compassion, and probably a lot less crime, too.

slug
01-10-2014, 02:04 PM
Remember this ? Cops looking for a criminal in a blue truck..they spotted a blue truck, opened fire...70 rounds...

wrong truck...two women badly injured.

Police reply ...tragic mistake, we owe you a new truck.

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gilberj
01-10-2014, 02:24 PM
When you give a man a gun , that gun becomes his brain..it becomes the tool that he uses to solve problems with.

If those cops had been unarmed , they would have used other techniques to control the situation.

If police are not aware of non lethal techniques, they should be re educated.

I agree completely.....We are seeing over and over again police using what can only be described as excessive force as if this is the only way to handle a situation. Most mature adults in life have had to handle difficult personal situations and not being armed we tend by and large to try to defuse the situation....we can talk it down or just turn and leave. When I was a kid the local cops in out town did a lot more talking and to my knowledge not a whole lot using guns....

Phillip Allen
01-10-2014, 02:41 PM
Remember this ? Cops looking for a criminal in a blue truck..they spotted a blue truck, opened fire...70 rounds...

wrong truck...two women badly injured.

Police reply ...tragic mistake, we owe you a new truck.

http://s24.postimg.org/wjiyrv4hx/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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yep... and kill the hostage too! :)