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PhaseLockedLoop
12-09-2013, 02:53 PM
"In the case of the up-arming, up-armoring, and militarization of police forces across the country, there is such a story. Not the police, mind you, but the campus cops at Ohio State University now possess an MRAP; that is, a $500,000 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/spoils-war-police-leftover-iraq-trucks-20994749), 18-ton, mine-resistant, ambush-protected armored vehicle of a sort used in the Afghan War and, as Hunter Stuart of the Huffington Post reported (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ohio-state-university-armored-truck_n_3949750.html), built to withstand "ballistic arms fire, mine fields, IEDs, and nuclear, biological, and chemical environments.” Sounds like just the thing for bouts of binge drinking and post-football-game shenanigans.

"That MRAP came, like so much other equipment police departments are stocking up on -- from tactical military vests (http://www.belgrade-news.com/opinion/columnists/john_w_whitehead/article_f21c8780-515d-11e3-9f97-001a4bcf887a.html), assault rifles, and grenade launchers (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/07/militarization-local-police-america) to actual tanks (http://www.alternet.org/story/151528/why_do_the_police_have_tanks_the_strange_and_dange rous_militarization_of_the_us_police_force?paging= off&current_page=1) and helicopters (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/10/detroit_police_department_to_r.html) -- as a freebie via a Pentagon-organized surplus military equipment program. As it happens, police departments across the country are getting MRAPs like OSU’s, including the Dakota County Sheriff’s Office (http://northfield.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/dakota-county-sheriffs-office-acquires-decommissioned-militarygrade-mineresistant-vehicle) in Minnesota. It’s received one of 18 such decommissioned military vehicles already being distributed around that state. So has Warren County which, like a number of counties in New York state, some quite rural, is now deploying Afghan War-grade vehicles. (Nationwide, rural counties have received a disproportionate percentage (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/24/spoils-war-sheriffs-police-nationwide-getting-armored-vehicles-left-over-from/) of the billions of dollars worth of surplus military equipment that has gone to the police in these years.)


"When questioned on the utility of its new MRAP, Warren County Sheriff Bud York suggested, according to (http://poststar.com/news/local/start-in-case-of-emergency-warren-county-sheriff-s-office/article_2ec50e0e-1b59-11e3-ab0b-001a4bcf887a.html) the Post-Star, the local newspaper, that “in an era of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and mass killings in schools, police agencies need to be ready for whatever comes their way... The vehicle will also serve as a deterrent to drug dealers or others who might be contemplating a show of force.” So, breathe a sigh of relief, Warren County is ready for the next al-Qaeda-style show of force and, for those fretting about how to deal with such things, there are now 165 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/24/spoils-war-sheriffs-police-nationwide-getting-armored-vehicles-left-over-from/) 18-ton “deterrents” in the hands of local law enforcement around the country, with hundreds of requests still pending."

From that right-wing rag, the Tom Dispatch

Paul Pless
12-09-2013, 02:58 PM
an arms race right here within the borders of the good old us of a fueled equally by the war on terror, the military industrial complex, and the second ammendment. . .

******* pathetic

skuthorp
12-09-2013, 02:58 PM
And if you've got one, why not two for when one is already involved in a neighbourhood dispute somewhere? Creating an ongoing domestic market.

LeeG
12-09-2013, 03:06 PM
See,see, Obama is starting it!

bogdog
12-09-2013, 03:08 PM
The military needs to unload these things as fast as they can before they have to spend a fortune maintaining them due to poor design and manufacturing. Who better that the unsuspecting public?

BrianW
12-09-2013, 03:11 PM
an arms race right here within the borders of the good old us of a fueled equally by the war on terror, the military industrial complex, and the second ammendment. . .

******* pathetic

I don't see how the 2nd Amendment is related to police units accepting overly complex and expensive trucks from the Feds.

In any case, first time they break, the city assembly will need to introduce a new bond proposal to pay for the repairs.

skuthorp
12-09-2013, 03:14 PM
And where better than local admin's. with a re-election agenda. Now they'll have to create a need for them lest someone queries the maintenance budget. I wonder if there'll be a secondary market, underground of course, of anti tank missiles amongst the real crims?

BrianW
12-09-2013, 03:15 PM
The military needs to unload these things as fast as they can before they have to spend a fortune maintaining them due to poor design and manufacturing. Who better that the unsuspecting public?

The latest techique I've seen, is the Army lets them sit on the back of Jingle trucks outside the FOB, until they are destroyed by the Taliban. Must be something in the Army doctrine that allows them to write them off as combat damage, then get new ones once the unit returns to the States. But, that's a guess, and sort of a mean on at that. I just get tired of seeing stupid in action. Must be why I left the Army for the CG.

bobbys
12-09-2013, 03:17 PM
I wanna tank and a gold heatlh care plan.....

So far all im getting is a red ryder carbine and a bronze plan...

John of Phoenix
12-09-2013, 03:41 PM
but the campus cops at Ohio State University...I have the perfect paint scheme!
http://www.spazzmonkey.com/upload/images/products/Tennessee/OhioStateMascotBrutus.jpg

Paul Pless
12-09-2013, 04:02 PM
I don't see how the 2nd Amendment is related to police units accepting overly complex and expensive trucks from the Feds.

From the linked news story (bold emphasis mine)


Warren County Sheriff Bud York suggested, that “in an era of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and mass killings in schools, police agencies need to be ready for whatever comes their way... The vehicle will also serve as a deterrent to drug dealers or others who might be contemplating a show of force.”

The easy availability of guns to those that might engage in mass school shootings as well as guns associated with drug crime and violence is directly linked to our Second Amendment and the groups like the NRA's promotion of the unfettered right to bear arms at the expense of reasonable regulation.

John of Phoenix
12-09-2013, 04:08 PM
The NRA on "printable 3D guns" - thwart their detection.


With the expiration of the so-called Undetectable Firearms Act (UFA) rapidly approaching on December 9th, misinformation over this issue and NRA’s position on it has unfortunately reached a heightened level.

We would like to make our position clear. The NRA strongly opposes ANY expansion of the Undetectable Firearms Act, including applying the UFA to magazines, gun parts, or the development of new technologies. The NRA has been working for months to thwart expansion of the UFA by Senator Chuck Schumer and others. We will continue to aggressively fight any expansion of the UFA or any other proposal that would infringe on our Second Amendment rights.


Unlike the Schumer proposal, the vote today in the U.S. House of Representatives on H.R. 3626, sponsored by Rep. Howard Coble, is a simple 10-year reauthorization -- NOT an expansion -- of current law. Other than extending the sunset date, H.R. 3626 makes no changes whatsoever to the underlying act.
Some groups have been circulating misinformation in order to create confusion over today’s House vote. To be clear, Rep. Coble’s bill DOES NOT expand current law in any way, as Sen. Schumer’s proposal would do.

Again, the NRA strongly opposes any expansion of the Undetectable Firearms Act. By simply reauthorizing current law, however, H.R. 3626 does not expand the UFA in any way.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-09-2013, 04:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA7qiNcV060

delecta
12-09-2013, 04:21 PM
Perhaps these school leaders are far more intelligent and possess greater insight into the reason for the acquisition of these fine tools. If they get them for free, perhaps they need to hold them for a year, then sell them to the right wing leaders that will use them to over through the government. Win for everyone, military gets rid of them, school administrators feel all powerful for a year and then Sarah Palin can borrow Dukakis costume and kick some liberal butt.

Phillip Allen
12-09-2013, 04:40 PM
:) .

bogdog
12-09-2013, 04:53 PM
Perhaps these school leaders are far more intelligent and possess greater insight into the reason for the acquisition of these fine tools. If they get them for free, perhaps they need to hold them for a year, then sell them to the right wing leaders that will use them to over through the government. Win for everyone, military gets rid of them, school administrators feel all powerful for a year and then Sarah Palin can borrow Dukakis costume and kick some liberal butt.Translation please...

Osborne Russell
12-09-2013, 05:33 PM
I don't see how the 2nd Amendment is related to police units accepting overly complex and expensive trucks from the Feds.

Come now. The Right lives and grows on fear.