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Greg Tokarz
11-17-2000, 02:44 PM
I am researching the history of Bluenose Jr., a "baby sister" of the schooner Bluenose of Lunenburg NS. It was built in the same yard as the original Bluenose and the replica Bluenose II - Smith & Rhuland - in Lunenburg. What I am looking for is history on the Smith and Rhuland yard - do they still exist and, if not, where are their records? Any contacts with former owners, employees would also be useful. Also, the boat was designed by Halifax marine architect William Roue who designed the Bluenose and Bluenose II and the 23" Bluenose Class Sloop. Again I am looking for a source / location of Mr. Roue's designs. Did he keep copies of his designs, and are they acrhived anywhere? I would really like to find out if their are any drawings, take-offs, etc. for this boat. Thanks in advance for any information.

dngoodchild
11-18-2000, 06:33 AM
There's an entry in my new DreamSheets section of the web site for Bluenose. It contains the lines.
http://www.anyboat.com/books/dreamsht.htm

Scroll down to schooners. Cheers.

[This message has been edited by dngoodchild (edited 11-18-2000).]

Steve McMahon
11-19-2000, 09:46 AM
Greg. You should be able to find all you want at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax, and the Fisheries Museum of the Atlantic in Lunenburg. When I have more time I will look up the web sites for both and post them for you. The yard still exists I think, but under another name - I think its now part of Scotia Trawlers and Equipment Ltd. I am very familiar with the Bluenose class sloops and of course the Bluenose I and II, but I have never heard of the Baby Bluenose? Roue was a master-

"The rich mens toys of the Foster boys with their token bit 'o cod - they snapped their spars and strained to pass her by, but she left them all behind..... http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Steve McMahon
11-20-2000, 07:06 AM
Greg
Here are the sites I would suggest: http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/fma/

Hopefully they can point you in the right direction.

Kermit
11-20-2000, 09:54 PM
A wee bit of Stan Rogers--thanks, Steve.

Steve McMahon
11-21-2000, 06:46 AM
Kernit.You passed the ultimate test. You now have my utmost respect.

Rambler
11-27-2000, 06:20 PM
I went on my honeymoon in Aug in NS (boy I fooled my wife!) and we went to Lunenberg. While there I asked around about the yard and got directions. It is now owned by a company whic either fishes, or hau;s fish, and uses the facility to work on their boats. An old codger there showed me the ways on which the Blunoses were built--probably peplaced and larger, but still there.

"The last lies done, in the harbor sun, with her picture on a dime..."

Steve McMahon
11-29-2000, 09:32 AM
"Knew hard work in her time, hard work in every line"

The Bluenose site: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/flinn/bluenose/bluenose.html

Darn I wish I knew how to properly post stuff

Steve McMahon
11-29-2000, 09:33 AM
I guess it worked!

A thought> could the "Baby Bluenose" have been the Dolphin?

Wilson Fitt
12-18-2000, 08:39 PM
The Bluenose Jr. schooners that I know about are Bill Roue designs built in Dartmouth in the 1950s. One, called Hebridee, is alive and well, kept in good condition by Ed Murphy at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadren in Halifax. I saw her this morning when I was down checking my boat. You could contact Mr. Murphy through the RNSYS office. The other, called Sakoose, was sailed extensivly in the Great Lakes and across to Europe in the 1970s and last seen by me in poor condition quite a few years ago in Halifax. Ed Murphy probably knows her fate.

The little Bluenose sloops are very nice boats and still a popular class locally. New wooden ones are being built and there is talk about some new glass ones as well. One of the originals is listed for sale in the local paper for $9000Cdn.

You can track down Mr Roue's designs by contacting the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax. Ask for David Walker.

The old Smith and Rhuland yard now operates as Scotia Trawlers. They are alive and well. The President is Ed Kinley I think. Give him a call. Lunenburg is well worth a visit if you are up this way.

SchoonerScotty
10-29-2012, 04:03 PM
The Bluenose Jr. schooners that I know about are Bill Roue designs built in Dartmouth in the 1950s. One, called Hebridee, is alive and well, kept in good condition by Ed Murphy at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadren in Halifax. I saw her this morning when I was down checking my boat. You could contact Mr. Murphy through the RNSYS office. The other, called Sakoose, was sailed extensivly in the Great Lakes and across to Europe in the 1970s and last seen by me in poor condition quite a few years ago in Halifax. Ed Murphy probably knows her fate.

The little Bluenose sloops are very nice boats and still a popular class locally. New wooden ones are being built and there is talk about some new glass ones as well. One of the originals is listed for sale in the local paper for $9000Cdn.

You can track down Mr Roue's designs by contacting the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax. Ask for David Walker.

The old Smith and Rhuland yard now operates as Scotia Trawlers. They are alive and well. The President is Ed Kinley I think. Give him a call. Lunenburg is well worth a visit if you are up this way.

A fellow sailor well acquainted with schooners told me of a Bluenose Jr. on Lake Erie. I went and saw a small schooner, that looked quite a bit like the larger Bluenose. She was on the hard near the town of Ashtabula. She may still be there today. William Roue also designed the small Bluenose sloop racing class, and the larger, 23' or so sloop with a small cabin. I saw some in Mahone Bay a few years ago, but can't remember the name of the class.

Good Luck!

S/V Laura Ellen
10-29-2012, 04:26 PM
The Bluenose Jr. schooners that I know about are Bill Roue designs built in Dartmouth in the 1950s. One, called Hebridee, is alive and well, kept in good condition by Ed Murphy at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadren in Halifax. I saw her this morning when I was down checking my boat. You could contact Mr. Murphy through the RNSYS office. The other, called Sakoose, was sailed extensivly in the Great Lakes and across to Europe in the 1970s and last seen by me in poor condition quite a few years ago in Halifax. Ed Murphy probably knows her fate.

The little Bluenose sloops are very nice boats and still a popular class locally. New wooden ones are being built and there is talk about some new glass ones as well. One of the originals is listed for sale in the local paper for $9000Cdn.

You can track down Mr Roue's designs by contacting the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax. Ask for David Walker.

The old Smith and Rhuland yard now operates as Scotia Trawlers. They are alive and well. The President is Ed Kinley I think. Give him a call. Lunenburg is well worth a visit if you are up this way.

I have hull #1 of the Bluenose Jr. design. Laura Ellen (originally Glad Tidings) was designed by Roue in 1936 and launched in 1937 from the Peirce and Kilburn shipyard in Fairhaven, Mass. More info here (http://bluenosejr.com)

jak3b
10-29-2012, 05:16 PM
There is another one in Sausalito at the site of the old boat wrights co-op.I dont know the name but it is being restored there.

Don Z.
10-29-2012, 07:58 PM
There was a writeup in the Rudder, with lines and a sail plan...

S/V Laura Ellen
11-04-2012, 12:41 PM
Did he keep copies of his designs, and are they acrhived anywhere? I would really like to find out if their are any drawings, take-offs, etc. for this boat. Thanks in advance for any information.

Last I heard, Joan Roue (Roue's great-grand daughter) had the plans for many of Roue's designs, including the Bluenose Jr.
Mystic Seaport has some of the drawing in their research library.

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11-06-2012, 10:55 AM
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peter radclyffe
11-06-2012, 12:33 PM
i think there was a 3 masted 3rd bluenose, the hmsc venture, 1937 ,smith and rhuland

S/V Laura Ellen
11-06-2012, 05:05 PM
http://bluenosejr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/600/bluenose_jr%2016x4.jpg
Bluenose II and Laura Ellen (nee Glad Tidings)

Hull #2 of Roue's Bluenose design and Hull #1 of Roue's Bluenose Jr. design.

S/V Laura Ellen
11-07-2012, 06:17 PM
There was a writeup in the Rudder, with lines and a sail plan...

http://aylard.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/600/rudder_mar_36.jpg

Chris-on-the-Boat
12-24-2012, 10:10 PM
Realy enjoyed reading this thread, sitting here on the boat listening to Stan's "Home in Halifax" concert. The picture of the BN2 and Laura Ellen is magnificent.

"The rich men's toys of the Glouster boys with thier token bit of cod..."