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Rum_Pirate
10-02-2013, 04:49 PM
Rather tragic

US government shutdown: Barack Obama is presiding over the end of America's superpower statusBy Con Coughlin (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/concoughlin/) World (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/category/world/) Last updated: October 1st, 2013
2444 Comments (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100238900/us-government-shutdown-barack-obama-is-presiding-over-the-end-of-americas-superpower-status/#disqus_thread) Comment on this article (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100238900/us-government-shutdown-barack-obama-is-presiding-over-the-end-of-americas-superpower-status/#dPostComment)

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For a country that is supposed to be the most powerful in the world, the fact that Americans have today woken up to find large swathes of their nation closed for business is humiliating.
• US government shutdown: picture gallery (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/10347795/Political-stalemate-triggers-the-first-US-government-shutdown-in-17-years.html)
• Reaction to shutdowns is overdone, but the Republicans will suffer (http://news/worldnews/us-politics/10347006/Commentary-reaction-to-shutdowns-is-overdone-but-the-Republicans-will-suffer.html)
• Barack Obama is likely to come out on top (http://news/worldnews/us-politics/10346071/US-government-shutdown-Barack-Obama-likely-to-come-out-on-top.html)
• 10 things affected by the US shutdown (http://news/worldnews/us-politics/10345715/10-things-affected-by-the-US-government-shutdown.html)
• Dollar falls but markets steady on US shutdown (http://finance/economics/10346116/Dollar-falls-but-markets-steady-as-US-government-shuts-down.html)
Thanks to President Barack Obama obduracy (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/10345774/US-government-shuts-down-as-Congress-misses-deadline.html)over his flagship healthcare policy, Democrats and Republicans have failed to reach agreement in Congress on the federal budget, forcing the US Government to close down for the first time in 17 years, with around 700,000 federal workers being placed on indefinite leave.
While the White House insists that essential areas of the government, such as the military, will continue to function, the shut down represents yet a further blow to the prestige of the Obama administration at a time when it is still reeling from its inept handling of the recent Syrian crisis.
There was a time not so long ago when the world looked to America for both political and economic leadership. But now that can no longer be taken for granted thanks to Mr Obama's inability to provide decisive leadership on either front.
Republicans rightly argue that by pressing ahead with Obamacare before the implications of the programme have been properly assessed risks adding to America's debt mountain at a time when the American economy is still recovering from the biggest economic crisis in recent history.
The emergence of Russia, meanwhile, as the main power broker in the Syria crisis has severely damaged America's standing as a major global player.

In short, the longer the Obama presidency continues, the more America's status as a superpower ebbs away.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100238900/us-government-shutdown-barack-obama-is-presiding-over-the-end-of-americas-superpower-status/

John of Phoenix
10-02-2013, 04:51 PM
LMAO

The Telegraph?

Why don't you just quote Rupert directly?

Tom Montgomery
10-02-2013, 04:55 PM
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The US government shutdown as viewed by Americans:

http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/new-york-daily-news-house-of-turds-cover-boehner.jpg

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2013, 04:56 PM
I think you dig quite a lot in in a similar pile Norman. Hence, you can tell us!

John of Phoenix
10-02-2013, 05:02 PM
The US Government shutdown - as viewed by others.

One more time, "We reds don't give a **** what you foreigners think."

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2013, 05:04 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?168148-So-you-think-the-shutdown-is-harmless

Post #25


Re: So, you think the shutdown is harmless?
I will just post this comment from a valued friend, a man of exceptionally fine judgment, who is a news agency editor in SE Asa:

In the eyes of Asia, the shutdown of its federal government is a major loss of face for the United States. President Obama was supposed to address the Malaysian parliament - a rare opportunity to strengthen ties and bolster American resolve in its Asia pivot. Tomorrow, Friday, Chinese President Xi Jinping will address the Indonesian parliament. He will be the first foreigner to do so and the first for a Chinese leader to be invited to speak before a foreign legislature. As this happens, Obama is stuck in Washington, his hands tied by a recalcitrant minority. That much of the world's economy will not be severely impacted by the halt in the US federal spigot also delivers the message that the US can ill afford. The world can move on with or without the power of the US government.


As I state in my OP, despite the knee jerk remarks by others on this forum, I thought it was rather tragic as stated in the C&P :

- There was a time not so long ago when the world looked to America for both political and economic leadership. But now that can no longer be taken for granted

- The emergence of Russia, meanwhile, as the main power broker in the Syria crisis has severely damaged America's standing as a major global player.

- the more America's status as a superpower ebbs away.

and the quoted other post

- the halt in the US federal spigot also delivers the message that the US can ill afford. The world can move on with or without the power of the US government.

also refer to:


US shutdown has other nations confused and concernedBy Anthony ZurcherBBC News, Washington
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24342521#story_continues_1)US budget row

Who is affected (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24302508)
Q&A (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24209622)
Mardell analysis (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24327335)
Impact (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24341406)



As the United States approached a budget crisis that will shut down many federal services and affect more than 700,000 workers, other countries looked on with a mixture of puzzlement and dread.
For most of the world, a government shutdown is very bad news - the result of revolution, invasion or disaster. Even in the middle of its ongoing civil war, the Syrian government has continued to pay its bills and workers' wages.
That leaders of one of the most powerful nations on earth willingly provoked a crisis that suspends public services and decreases economic growth is astonishing to many.
American policymakers "are facing the unthinkable prospect of shutting down the government as they squabble over the inconsequential accomplishment of a 10-week funding extension", Mexico's The News wrote (http://www.thenews.com.mx/index.php/opinion-articulos/14272-get-serious-washington) in an editorial.
In the United States, however, government shutdowns - or the threat thereof - have become an accepted negotiating tactic, thanks to the quirks of the American federal system, which allows different branches of government to be controlled by different parties.
It was a structure devised by the nation's founders to encourage compromise and deliberation, but lately has had just the opposite effect.
Elsewhere in the world, such shutdowns are practically impossible. The parliamentary system used by most European democracies ensures that the executive and legislature are controlled by the same party or coalition.
Conceivably, a parliament could refuse to pass a budget proposed by the prime minister, but such an action would likely trigger a failure of the government and a new election - witness the current situation in the Netherlands, where Prime Minister Mark Rutte's government faced a no-confidence vote at the start of debate over his 2014 budget proposal.
And even when there is a gap prior to a new government taking office, national services continue to operate.
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24342521#story_continues_2)“Start Quote
Anything that drags down the American economy drags the Canadian economy down with it”
John IbbitsonGlobe and Mail
In non-parliamentary democracies, such as Brazil, a strong executive branch has the ability to keep the lights on during a budget impasse. Such was the case in the United States as well, until a 1980 Carter administration interpretation of the 1884 Anti-Deficiency Act strictly limited the powers of federal agencies in the absence of congressional funding authorisations.
Now, as the latest shutdown crisis plays out, policymakers in other nations are left to ponder the worldwide impact of the impasse.
"Globalisation … means every country is in it together," writes David Blanchflower (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/americans-sneeze-and-brits-catch-the-flu-a-us-shut-down-poses-risks-to-the-uk-economy-8847612.html) in the Independent in the UK. "Americans sneeze and Brits catch the flu."
"Canadians can only pray their economy won't be collateral damage,"writes John Ibbitson (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/canadians-can-only-pray-their-economy-wont-be-collateral-damage-in-war-over-obamacare/article14490828/) in Canada's Globe and Mail. "Anything that drags down the American economy drags the Canadian economy down with it."
And this could be another reason why the United States has shutdown crises and other countries don't - because the United States can afford to. At least up until now, the American economy has been able to continue to grind along despite shutdown disruptions that would stagger other nations.
"Constant-shutdown, permanent-emergency governance is so destructive that no other serious country engages in or could tolerate it,"James Fallows writes (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/your-false-equivalence-guide-to-the-days-ahead/280062/) in the Atlantic. "The United States can afford it only because we are - still - so rich, with so much margin for waste and error."

Tom Montgomery
10-02-2013, 05:07 PM
Where is Donn to shut down a foreigner's unwelcome opinion about American domestic politics?

Oh... right... he agrees with this foreigner.

Never mind.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-02-2013, 05:09 PM
I posted this comment from a valued friend, a man of exceptionally fine judgment, who is a news agency editor in SE Asia, on Norman's thread, but I will re-post it here:


In the eyes of Asia, the shutdown of its federal government is a major loss of face for the United States. President Obama was supposed to address the Malaysian parliament - a rare opportunity to strengthen ties and bolster American resolve in its Asia pivot. Tomorrow, Friday, Chinese President Xi Jinping will address the Indonesian parliament. He will be the first foreigner to do so and the first for a Chinese leader to be invited to speak before a foreign legislature. As this happens, Obama is stuck in Washington, his hands tied by a recalcitrant minority. That much of the world's economy will not be severely impacted by the halt in the US federal spigot also delivers the message that the US can ill afford. The world can move on with or without the power of the US government.

Captain Intrepid
10-02-2013, 05:17 PM
Want to read an article by a foreigner who actually knows a thing or two about the USA?


The perverse math behind the Republican budget showdown: Neil Macdonald
Why the U.S. Congress is not representative of very much any more


Here's the equation: Republicans control a lot more state legislatures than the Democrats do. State legislatures are in charge of all voting, federal and state. And basically, the Republicans have rigged the game.
For Congress, they've drawn electoral districts that meander and twist and jut, maximizing the influence of their own voters, and "wasting" opposition votes by packing as many of them as possible into districts their opponents will already probably win.
It's called gerrymandering, a word coined nearly 200 years ago in Boston, after then governor Elbridge Gerry signed into law a district so tortured it resembled a salamander.
The result of contemporary gerrymandering: 233 Republican House seats, to 200 Democrats, despite the big Democratic majority in the popular vote.

...

So, this country has accepted a fundamentally undemocratic practice "In effect, the representatives choose their voters, hardly a democratic ideal," observes presidential historian James Thurber at the American University in Washington.
And Americans are now suffering for it, about to be deprived of their government's services and, perhaps, on their way to government default.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/the-perverse-math-behind-the-republican-budget-showdown-neil-macdonald-1.1873758

TomF
10-02-2013, 05:17 PM
read a bit on the CBC, BBC, or Australian ABC websites for a somewhat different perspective.

John of Phoenix
10-02-2013, 05:18 PM
Your friend is absolutely correct Andrew but reds don't care about anything but destroying ObamaCare. All else is of no consequence.

The President would do well to make his trip to Malaysia and by so doing explode several dozen empty reds heads.

skuthorp
10-02-2013, 05:20 PM
From his foreigners point of view the slow retreat from dominance of the US began when the SC awarded the election to GWB.
And it may not be as slow as I think it will be, given the state of the US's internal governance.

bogdog
10-02-2013, 05:36 PM
So is the Telegraph still supporting Margaret for PM?

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2013, 05:40 PM
So is the Telegraph still supporting Margaret for PM?


Psst, incase you don't know Baroness Thatcher is dead and the Telegraph are aware of that. |;)

Mind you a deceased Baroness Thatcher might be a better option than some politicians around (regardless of country and/or party) :ycool:

Willin'
10-02-2013, 05:43 PM
I posted this comment from a valued friend, a man of exceptionally fine judgment, who is a news agency editor in SE Asia, on Norman's thread, but I will re-post it here:


In the eyes of Asia, the shutdown of its federal government is a major loss of face for the United States. President Obama was supposed to address the Malaysian parliament - a rare opportunity to strengthen ties and bolster American resolve in its Asia pivot. Tomorrow, Friday, Chinese President Xi Jinping will address the Indonesian parliament. He will be the first foreigner to do so and the first for a Chinese leader to be invited to speak before a foreign legislature. As this happens, Obama is stuck in Washington, his hands tied by a recalcitrant minority. That much of the world's economy will not be severely impacted by the halt in the US federal spigot also delivers the message that the US can ill afford. The world can move on with or without the power of the US government.

To our great discredit, loss of face is far too subtle a concept to be understood or concerned about by our elected officials in this age where tweets of one's junk is considered ho hum. As far as I can surmise, the right's total concept of the fed shutdown is that a few national parks are closed.

What can you expect from people like that when confronted with a loss of face?

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2013, 05:56 PM
Here in the back woods of Otsego County, I don't see any fallout from the SHUTDOWN. I went to the county offices, all were opening and functioning. The bank also and the grocery store and the Farmers' Market, and the museums, and the police (county and state. Down the road, I might.

bogdog
10-02-2013, 06:05 PM
Here all the base commissaries are closed, I doubt that registers with most Americans. Just to give folks an idea, about a quarter of the nation's active-duty military personnel are stationed here. Don't worry about us, we have several region food pantries to fall back on, sure they were already overwhelmed...

StevenBauer
10-02-2013, 06:33 PM
Just how many shutdown threads will Rummy post before the idiot republicans in the House cave? Should we have a poll?

:d


Steven

John Smith
10-02-2013, 06:59 PM
Here in the back woods of Otsego County, I don't see any fallout from the SHUTDOWN. I went to the county offices, all were opening and functioning. The bank also and the grocery store and the Farmers' Market, and the museums, and the police (county and state. Down the road, I might.

This is because the powers that be are trying to keep the shutdown painless. IMO, this is a poor plan. They should start with closing the airports and border security. Everyone would notice that.

George Jung
10-02-2013, 07:09 PM
Pretty funny OP! 'Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated' comes to mind. But the manipulation and politicking isn't one-sided. I see where the Library of Congress and NASA have shut down their websites - must cost a lot/employ a lot of govt. types - to keep those going, eh? That, and notice how quickly they got the fences up around the DC plaza so folks not only can't enter the monuments, they can't get within a stones throw of them. To me, all that is just posturing, and petty. And it reflects badly on those responsible.

Nanoose
10-02-2013, 07:44 PM
As I read yesterday, even Syria can keep gov't open in the middle of a civil war.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2013, 08:03 PM
This is because the powers that be are trying to keep the shutdown painless. IMO, this is a poor plan. They should start with closing the airports and border security. Everyone would notice that.I wouldn't Airports are too much of a hassle. Last time I flew anywhere was in 2001. Haven't crossed a border lately either.

hokiefan
10-02-2013, 08:30 PM
This is something that the T baggers have right. Shutting off the spigot might go a long way in balancing our budget and decreasing our deficits.

Except don't expect the Republicans to balance the budget. Look at the deficits back several decades. Reagan and Bush the lessor both spent 8 years spending like drunken sailors in a whorehouse, while cutting taxes at the same time. Cheney was the one with the famous, "Deficits don't matter." line. Clinton brought the deficit back in line, and under Obama it is also working back towards normal. Don't give me this crap about Republicans being the responsible ones, recent history has proven that a huge lie.

Cheers,

Bobby

johnw
10-02-2013, 08:49 PM
Your friend is absolutely correct Andrew but reds don't care about anything but destroying ObamaCare. All else is of no consequence.

The President would do well to make his trip to Malaysia and by so doing explode several dozen empty reds heads.

I disagree. What they want is to destroy Obama. If the country suffers, well, it's just collateral damage.

hokiefan
10-02-2013, 09:30 PM
Rest assured that I am under no allusions about the where the Republican's interests lie. Most of the volume of the spigot's flow is directly into their cronies pockets.

The Tbaggers appear to being fighting on two fronts; first against any Democrat and especially Obama; and secondly against the old guard Rebublicans

And by fighting a two front war, they will ultimately get crushed.

Cheers,

Bobby

Rum_Pirate
10-03-2013, 08:03 AM
read a bit on the CBC, BBC, or Australian ABC websites for a somewhat different perspective.

BBC See Post #7

Rum_Pirate
10-03-2013, 08:06 AM
Just how many shutdown threads will Rummy post before the idiot republicans in the House cave? Should we have a poll? :d
Steven


As many as I am interested in finding out what is happening and discussing the topic.

Despite many posters discussing the topic?

Would you like a ban on anyone posting threads on US Government political issues? :ycool: