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Osborne Russell
09-30-2013, 01:27 PM
1. Why couldn't the Republicans introduce legislation, or at least a resolution, threatening to de-fund the government because of the ACA, immediately after the ACA was enacted? And again after it was upheld by the Supreme Court?

2. If they could have, why didn't they?

Jim Bow
09-30-2013, 01:34 PM
Wouldn't have been dramatic enough. They would have looked like petulant children.

TomF
09-30-2013, 01:38 PM
...They would have looked like petulant children.Well, they sure avoided tha ........ erhmm, (cough) nothing.

wardd
09-30-2013, 02:03 PM
why can't the aca be repealed after it fails, what's the hurry?

wardd
09-30-2013, 02:13 PM
aca was passed by both houses and sent to the president to sign

there was an election partly over the aca and obama won

aca was taken to the supremes and declared constitutional

there have been 40+ votes to repeal it and it's still on the books

how much discussion and debate do we need?

Osborne Russell
09-30-2013, 02:47 PM
The question is if they could have. I can think of lots of reasons why they would decide not to.

If they could have, then deciding to wait until now is something they must account for.

Osborne Russell
09-30-2013, 02:55 PM
They didn't have the votes then, and they don't have them now, to repeal the law honestly... in the same way the law was passed.

It's pretty simple: if Congress were voting separately on a repeal of the AHCA, the repeal would fail.

And people wonder why they are stark raving desperate to use the CR and debt ceiling as a hostage? Because they know that it's their ONLY hope.


That's like a guy demanding your money five times before he pulls the knife.

Why couldn't they have introduced a bill saying, repeal or else? Is that not what they intended all along? That way there would have been a vote on repeal and on the "or else". Difficult to avoid the conclusion that they timed it to accomplish their object by extortion, not persuasion. Very un-democratic.

Osborne Russell
09-30-2013, 03:00 PM
I'm not making myself clear. These are two different bills:

1. Repeal.

2. Repeal or else.

Why didn't they introduce #2? They introduced #1 about fifty times.

Ian McColgin
09-30-2013, 06:51 PM
And the Republicans' first effort to repeal ACA was with two bills introduced by Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa the day after the House passage.

If the Republicans regain control of the government they will behave exactly as the Muslim Brotherhood behaved when it held Egypt's government - totally unwilling to govern, only willing to dictate. We saw that in how the Republicans in fighting ACA in the Senate pressured Sen Snow, who had gotten all of her bright ideas accepted in the spirit of compromise, to betray that bipartisan spirit and vote against.

Reactionary fundamentalists are all the same whether Muslim or Republican or rightwing Israeli.