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skuthorp
09-26-2013, 03:40 AM
Shhhh…………. while Peter is away I thought we's start a sub thread, steam cars.
In the beginning there was……..
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kzyb9btf5t0jpg/original.jpg

This one?, by one Nicholas Cugnot? NO
This one. Ferdinand Verbiest, whilst working for the Emperor of China some time after 1658 invented this as a toy for his employer.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kzyb9bvxkkhjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
Verbiest was able to build a rudimentary, ball-shaped boiler, which then forced steam towards a turbine that could turn the back wheels.

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 05:34 AM
By 1803 Mr Trevithic had designed and demonstrated a steam carriage, but the steering looks a bit dodgy to me.
Called a Dampfwagen I believe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Trevithicks_Dampfwagen.jpg/800px-Trevithicks_Dampfwagen.jpg

In the 1830's we got John Russell's Steam Carriage
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Russell%27s_steam_carriage.png/404px-Russell%27s_steam_carriage.png

and in France in the 1870's this wood and wicker wonder
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Obeissante.jpg
Locomotive springing.

WX
09-26-2013, 05:44 AM
And of course there were the Stanleys.
http://www.stanleysteamcars.com/

Google images is just full of them.:)
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=6uduLCdttYEXJM&tbnid=oishR8gyWvkQpM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nmsu.edu%2F~ucomm%2FPanorama% 2Fsummer2005%2Fd_aw_4.html&ei=3A9EUpSaC8rGkgXm7oHACQ&bvm=bv.53217764,d.dGI&psig=AFQjCNE7VKizK0NsmyVgGPBwCtwFgWB_Dw&ust=1380278507838677

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 05:49 AM
I rather fancied the Stoomdrieweiler trike by De Dion myself

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/De_Dion_stoomdriewieler.GIF/577px-De_Dion_stoomdriewieler.GIF
once again the steering handle seems, um, rudimentary.

Dan McCosh
09-26-2013, 07:59 AM
http://modernsteampower.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/lear-vapordyne-steam-car/

I think he did a little better with the airplane.

Michael D. Storey
09-26-2013, 11:08 AM
And of course there were the Stanleys.
http://www.stanleysteamcars.com/

Google images is just full of them.:)
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=6uduLCdttYEXJM&tbnid=oishR8gyWvkQpM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nmsu.edu%2F%7Eucomm%2FPanoram a%2Fsummer2005%2Fd_aw_4.html&ei=3A9EUpSaC8rGkgXm7oHACQ&bvm=bv.53217764,d.dGI&psig=AFQjCNE7VKizK0NsmyVgGPBwCtwFgWB_Dw&ust=1380278507838677

Stanleys could do 70 mph, but did not recycle the steam.

Nicholas Scheuer
09-26-2013, 12:45 PM
Back in the 1950's I saw a Stanley Steamer running in traffic in South Bend, IN. Impressive, from the standpoint of acceleration and low noise! It was the style pictured on the DVD Cover in WX's link; an open Touring Car featuring a sort of rounded, coffin-shaped hood.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
09-26-2013, 01:35 PM
http://flashbackfab.com/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Steam1.jpg

Dan McCosh
09-26-2013, 02:39 PM
Stanleys could do 70 mph, but did not recycle the steam. A Stanley Steamer ran at 127 mph in 1906. Faster than a Tesla.

Bob Cleek
09-26-2013, 02:48 PM
Don't forget steam powered outboard engines... there were (are) a surprising variety of them.

http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/eap/lakes/wq/photos/steam.jpg

http://www.pcez.com/~artemis/SLASteamedSeagull.jpg

http://jackkelly.name/blog/images/awbf-2013/steam-outboard.jpg

Sam F
09-26-2013, 03:12 PM
Bob - go see: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?167757-RFM-Small-Boat-Show

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 03:51 PM
In Aus. Herb. Thompson came up with this in 1898
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/itemimages/188/596/188596_medium.jpg

Did an 894K trip in 1900 from Melbourne to Bathurst. Described as a 'steam powered phaeton.

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 03:54 PM
From 1903, the Locomobile
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/nielsen/1903loco-sm.jpg

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/pernielsen/rear-view.JPG
A Doble in the background I think.

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/pernielsen/valves-for.JPG

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 04:04 PM
In 1933 Besler came up with a steam powered plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX3qPfN9zjA

It even had reverse.
http://www.jokelibrary.net/xOtherNtoZ/plane/supp-steam7.jpg

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/18_Bessler_Steam_Engine_and_Al_R.jpg

Sam F
09-26-2013, 04:09 PM
Any steam (or electric) car nut will be well repaid by acquiring this book:

http://openlibrary.org/books/OL24601452M/Self-propelled_vehicles

BTW, you can read the entire book on that site - the steam info is quite good.

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 04:17 PM
Sam, I had a friend with a steam motorbike with the boiler between your legs and I was always very nervous riding it.

John Meachen
09-26-2013, 04:36 PM
I saw this at Goodwood in July.
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss226/John_Meachen/Goodwood%202013/SAM_3555_zps8819c156.jpg

Sam F
09-26-2013, 05:01 PM
Sam, I had a friend with a steam motorbike with the boiler between your legs and I was always very nervous riding it.

I can certainly understand your reluctance on that matter!
Still I've seen the video of that particular motorbike - and I'd ride it in a second. By way of excuse, it doesn't seem to be running at a very high pressure - but that wasn't specified AFAIK.

However, why not put decent brakes on it?

skuthorp
09-26-2013, 05:32 PM
A Trevithic John.

AndyG
09-26-2013, 06:11 PM
Steam powered cars?

I prefer steam powered planes!

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/UEET/StudentSite/images/flight/langley1.jpg

Langley's almost successful Aerodrome. 52hp of steamy five-cylinder gorgeousness!

Andy

wardd
09-26-2013, 06:40 PM
we need steam powered submarines

Hwyl
09-26-2013, 08:06 PM
we need steam powered submarinesEvery nuclear sub is in fact steam powered.

Clarkey
09-27-2013, 01:57 AM
Every nuclear sub is in fact steam powered.

There was also the K class of steam submarines in WW1.

skuthorp
09-27-2013, 03:36 AM
Now for some Dobles…………. the E23 seriousl big pics, yell if that's awkward please

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/Doble-JDC.JPG

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/nutz/Doble3.jpg

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/Doble-cranckcase.JPG

skuthorp
09-27-2013, 03:39 AM
The E14
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/e-14-4.JPG

and underneath………….
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/e-14-2.JPG

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/doble-E14-sm.jpg

http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/Crank/doble-crankcase2-sm.jpg

skuthorp
09-27-2013, 03:41 AM
And they built 'em here………...
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/doble-mfg-emeryville.jpg

"The "Doble steam Car" was an American steam car maker from 1909-1931. Their latter models of steam car, with fast firing boiler and electric start, were considered the pinnacle of steam car development. The term "Doble steam car" comprises any of several makes of steam-powered automobile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car) in the early 20th century, including Doble Detroit, Doble Steam Car, and Doble Automobile, severally called a Doblebecause of their founding or association with Abner Doble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Doble)."


http://www.stanleysteamers.com/photoalbum/patpix/Doble-yard-sale.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPc0RfyjLSM

Sam F
09-28-2013, 06:25 AM
Something a bit more recent - A Williams:

http://www.firedragon.com/~kap/images/WilliamsSteamRoadster1961.jpg

There is a similar (maybe the same?) vehicle called a Keen which you can see here:

http://www.kimmelsteam.com/

Sam F
09-28-2013, 06:55 AM
And a souped up Stanley:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Rc10954.jpg

Sam F
09-28-2013, 07:35 AM
And for the really esoteric minded there is the porous burner technology in a "zero emissions" steam engine:

http://projekt.beuth-hochschule.de/fileadmin/projekt/sprachen/sprachenpreis/erfolgreiche_beitraege_2007/2._Preis_07_-_Zero_Emission_Engine_-_Saskia_Scherfling.pdf

wild stuff!

Michael D. Storey
09-28-2013, 09:07 AM
Somewhere in my head is a pic of a gas engine taken late in WWll where the gas tank and been replaced with a boiler, and the carb with a steam pipe. I reckon it auto work

C. Ross
09-28-2013, 09:36 AM
Steam powered flying Jaguar.


http://youtu.be/_eiJkQzpzRc

Mad Scientist
09-28-2013, 05:59 PM
Steam powered cars?

I prefer steam powered planes!

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/UEET/StudentSite/images/flight/langley1.jpg

Langley's almost successful Aerodrome. 52hp of steamy five-cylinder gorgeousness!

Andy

Glenn Curtiss built a replica, which flew, and vindicated Professor Langley's design skill. It was written-up in 'Popular Mechanics' nearly a century ago, although I can't find the issue. It's here: http://books.google.ca/books?id=Vc8DAAAAMBAJ&dq=Popular+Mechanics&lr=&as_brr=0&as_pt=MAGAZINES&source=gbs_summary_s&redir_esc=y somewhere, in either the 1910 or the 1920 group.

Tom

Mad Scientist
09-28-2013, 06:04 PM
A 'modern' steam car:

http://bks6.books.google.ca/books?id=RkeRDMj1r2kC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE72Tsjv7k_lkSblmFHdhZzRFri2W4BNRfY4Z5lF4 g69hw7qKNDsMDyo-XGs4nc5JQ2PZQOTRT_DolCLU1oEONbZsGyKt6xiEJZSJ5Bgw2b 0XElkFH94DtlHv0mbYyA_WjX6r5Ap3

Link to the complete issue: http://books.google.ca/books?id=RkeRDMj1r2kC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Tom

Jimmy W
09-28-2013, 08:12 PM
If you haven't seen the videos on Jay Leno's steam cars, you might enjoy them.


http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/collections/steam-cars-1/

PeterSibley
09-29-2013, 04:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI


1963 Ford Falcon: Steam Power Edition (http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/11/02/1963-ford-falcon-steam-power-edition/)


http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/steam-powered-falcon.jpg
In a perfect automotive world, history reveals that most of the technology we think of as new is quite old. Electric cars? Ask Detroit Electric (1907-1939) how that worked out. Hybrid cars? Dr. Porsche (1875-1951) himself could have expounded at length. Steam powered the Aeolipile, or Hero engine, 2,000 or so years ago in Greece, the industrial revolution few years later, a few automobiles along the way, and speeding locomotives up until not even that long ago. Only Superman could fly faster. Modern locomotives are series hybrids: a diesel engine powers a dynamo, which generates electricity to turn the wheels.
As combustion is better controlled at constant engine speed, the locomotive churns economically across great distances. Taking a series hybrid and a steam engine into a car was Australian engineer Edward Pritchard, who built a steam-powered 1963 Ford Falcon in the early 70s. The Green Stripe Pritchard Steam Car efficiently burned most any combustible liquid, and drove about just like any other 1963 Falcon. While the Hemmings wood pellet fired 1977 Mercury Bobcat steam wagon is still in the developmental stage, this video reveals a steam powered Falcon that actually worked.