View Full Version : Meanwhile over in Mississippi....

obscured by clouds
08-27-2013, 03:26 AM
I posted this over on the Tesla thread but it received little/no attention, [since, as usual, there was an argument going on that was totally irrelevant to the OP :) ]

Meanwhile over in Mississippi:

http://inhabitat.com/mississippi-sen...ortation-bill/ (http://inhabitat.com/mississippi-senator-adds-anti-leed-amendment-into-housing-and-transportation-bill/)

LEED Building Standards have been used since March 2000 to improve the design and efficiency of structures across the world. Yet, Mississippi Senator Roger Wicker (http://www.wicker.senate.gov/public/)has taken issue with the framework, going so far as to introduce Amendment No. 1777 to ban the use of LEED for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and Department of Transportation projects. Under his little gem of pro-lumber, plastic, and chemical industry legislation, no money could be used to support anything but a system that has an American National Standard Institute (http://www.ansi.org/) (ANSI) designation or was developed by ANSI, and projects can only exclude a building material if it has been scientifically proven to be harmful or wasteful. Sen. Wicker proposes outlines put forth by the Green Building Initiative (http://www.thegbi.org/) (GBI), an industry-backed group that touts itself as a replacement for LEED.


08-27-2013, 05:16 AM
He's either been bribed, or he knows he's about to be.

08-27-2013, 08:58 AM
He's either been bribed, or he knows he's about to be.

I don't know, maybe he is just plain stupid :confused:

08-27-2013, 09:23 AM
I'm not feeling contentious this morning. But I would like to point out that there is not a lot of difference between LEED and GBI. I have worked on projects that were compliant with one or the other and the first school that was LEED certified. There is some dissent within the LEED ranks themselves that some of the recycled content points are almost impossible. One thing I do like about LEED is that it is evolving to make more sense, which can be frustrating because the rules are still changing but it the LEED points definitions have become much easier to understand over the last several years.

On the GBI site they have some example projects, one of which is Bethke Elementary school. What they don't say is that Bethke was also LEED certified. GBI is very much about energy savings which is not what it says in the article, although they are more relaxed about materials. One other thing, the federal government has its own set of standards, and they have goals (EO 13514) to design to LEED compliant but they usually do not want to sped the money for certification. which is expensive through LEED.

Dan McCosh
08-27-2013, 02:42 PM
Too many acronyms.

John of Phoenix
08-27-2013, 02:56 PM
Do I smell Big Oil? Or is this just the typical "Party of No" attitude toward innovation?

08-27-2013, 03:26 PM
What you smell is wood, on a wooden boat forum, GBI was started by a lumber interests prior to plastics coming on board.

Good background here unless by my posting the source it has become tainted as a right wing nut news outlet. http://www.treehugger.com/green-architecture/leedbashing-gsa-wimps-out-doesnt-back-LEED.html

What you don't get out of the article is the use of design to reduce waste, and that Energy-star is a sponsor and that GBI is opposed to only a very small part of LEED.

08-27-2013, 03:31 PM
Actually I don't even care, believe what you want. If someone were to post that Sustainable SITES was supported by the state of Texas I'm sure SITES would get bilge bashed also.