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Rum_Pirate
08-11-2013, 12:07 PM
Hero sniper paid 100,000 in compensation after identity was realised

Thursday, May 23, 2013Gloucestershire EchoFollow
By MICHAEL PURTON

A HERO army sniper from Cheltenham has been paid 100,000 compensation after the Ministry of Defence put him and his family in danger by revealing his identity.
Craig Harrison agreed to do media interviews after killing two Taliban gunmen in Afghanistan from more than a mile-and-a-half away 200ft beyond the official range of his rifle.

forced to hide: Corporal Craig Harrison was forced to quit his Army home and temporarily leave the country
But Ministry of Defence rules state that snipers' identities should remain secret because they are high value targets for terrorists, and Corporal Harrison did not expect to be named in the interviews.
However, the MoD failed to tell the media that the Household Cavalry veteran should remain anonymous, and his name and picture were subsequently published worldwide.

Cpl Harrison and his family were placed in grave danger of being kidnapped by Al Qaeda sympathisers after the blunder, according to police intelligence.
He was forced to quit his Army home, temporarily leave the country and remove his teenage daughter from school before her GCSE exams. His wife also had to give up her hairdressing work.
The stress of the situation led to Cpl Harrison being placed on permanent sick leave, and it is believed he will now be medically discharged from the army.
A letter from the soldier's lawyers to the MoD said Cpl Harrison and his family suffered "acute distress and anxiety".
An MoD spokesman confirmed Cpl Harrison had received the compensation.
The spokesman added: "When compensation claims are received, they are considered on the basis of whether or not MoD has a legal liability to pay compensation. Where there is a proven legal liability, compensation is paid."
Cpl Harrison killed the two Taliban gunners in 2010 with consecutive shots while his colleagues came under fire.
The distance between Harrison and his targets was so great the 8.59mm bullets took almost three seconds to reach their target, travelling at almost three times the speed of sound.
Speaking to the media at the time, Cpl Harrison said his first shot had hit one man in the stomach and the second man in the side.
The astonishing feat came during a remarkable tour of duty. Cpl Harrison cheated death a few weeks later when a Taliban bullet pierced his helmet but was deflected away from his skull.
He later broke both arms when his Army vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb.
While they could still not guarantee his safety, the MoD acknowledged that his name was now in the public domain.


Read more: http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co....#ixzz2bgHnFcOY (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Hero-sniper-paid-pound-100-000-compensation/story-19065198-detail/story.html#ixzz2bgHnFcOY)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxLYn-LsEmE

Durnik
08-11-2013, 12:39 PM
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

Here are Hero's (http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of-the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/).


Cue rescue swimmer Petty Officer 3rd Class Dan Todd. Todd swam to the raft and in a particularly calm, candid moment greeted the survivors with, Hi Im Dan, I heard you guys need a ride.

and amazingly enough, they're not in fear for their lives..

peace
bobby

Rum_Pirate
08-11-2013, 01:12 PM
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

peace
bobby

Hmm, so in your view all the armed forces personnel are murderer's. :rolleyes:

Guess that you also consider that the operatives that killed Ben Laden are murderers, and naturally so to are all the soldiers that killed others in the wars eg WWII etc, so that you could know peace and freedom of speech as you have it today.

As Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote in her her biography on Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs.

Rum_Pirate
08-11-2013, 01:16 PM
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
George Orwell


Are you one of them?

Durnik
08-11-2013, 01:27 PM
hell_of_a jump to conclusions there -

reread (& think about) my link -

ponder on the fact that (years ago) I served in the (U.S.) military -

& understand that I have learned a hell_of_a lot since then.


He's not a hero.. the coasties are.


peace
bobby

Rum_Pirate
08-11-2013, 01:44 PM
hell_of_a jump to conclusions there -

reread (& think about) my link -

ponder on the fact that (years ago) I served in the (U.S.) military -

& understand that I have learned a hell_of_a lot since then.


He's not a hero.. the coasties are.


peace
bobby


Given that his actions saved several of the lives of his fellow soldiers, perhaps they consider him a hero rather than (your description) a murderer?

seanz
08-11-2013, 01:51 PM
Thanks for that link, Bobby. Great read. Back to your arguments gentlemen.
:)


Oh, why not.........the sniper is not a hero (not for the long shot anyway) that just counts as doing his job. As for murderer, hell of a grey area......

skuthorp
08-11-2013, 05:15 PM
Durnik, between Main and Arizona.
You own the responsibility too, as do we and all 'coalition' nations even though you and I and many others disagreed with the interventions in the first place.
'You break it you own it'.

wardd
08-11-2013, 06:40 PM
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

Here are Hero's (http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of-the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/).



and amazingly enough, they're not in fear for their lives..

peace
bobby

killing an enemy combatant in combat is considered justifiable homicide and in us forces is covered by the ucmj

skuthorp
08-11-2013, 08:24 PM
How would you view a member of the opposing forces and not a formal member of an 'army' in these theatres, having similar skills and doing the same task?

skuthorp
08-11-2013, 08:33 PM
So Phillip,the nasties have invaded, all in uniform and legal like. There you are with your trusty squirrel rifle and a member of the resistance, do you consider yourself a 'murderer' if in the act of resistance you kill a few of the invaders?

skuthorp
08-11-2013, 08:47 PM
Well that's a first!:d

It's hailing here, think I'll go out and do some work in the shop.

Durnik
08-11-2013, 08:57 PM
perhaps they consider him a hero...

Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.


killing an enemy combatant in combat is considered justifiable homicide and in us forces is covered by the ucmj

Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.



You own the responsibility too...

Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.


You're welcome, seanz

Oh, why not........ ;-)


the sniper is not a hero (not for the long shot anyway) that just counts as doing his job. As for murderer, hell of a grey area......

without a doubt!


As for me, I define a hero more as 'one who saves - while risking of his own', on top of which, the sniper & his cohorts had put themselves in the place of threatening those who then threatened them.. I'm not near so lenient on 'justifiable homicide' as some. If 'you're asking for it', 'getting it' is to be expected.

The Coasties, OTOH, risked their lives to save others - who may or may not have been foolish. The Coasties are Hero's.

To call one who simply kills from a safe place, 'a hero', diminishes the word - tho not my respect for those like the Coast Guard rescuers.

peace
bobby

wardd
08-11-2013, 09:04 PM
Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.



Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.




Without a doubt - he's still not a hero.


You're welcome, seanz

Oh, why not........ ;-)



without a doubt!


As for me, I define a hero more as 'one who saves - while risking of his own', on top of which, the sniper & his cohorts had put themselves in the place of threatening those who then threatened them.. I'm not near so lenient on 'justifiable homicide' as some. If 'you're asking for it', 'getting it' is to be expected.

The Coasties, OTOH, risked their lives to save others - who may or may not have been foolish. The Coasties are Hero's.

To call one who simply kills from a safe place, 'a hero', diminishes the word - tho not my respect for those like the Coast Guard rescuers.

peace
bobby

didn't say he was a hero, just not a murderer

AnalogKid
08-11-2013, 09:13 PM
Not hero, just local press hack hyperbole - that's all.

tizziec
08-12-2013, 05:47 AM
Hero or not, putting the guy's name out there was wrong and the media should have realized it. Agree or not with war, putting someone in danger like that has no excuse. It's no secret that war involves the job of snipers, it's enough to know that we don't need to know who they are and we don't need to put their famlies in danger just to prove a point about war, that's no better than war itself

skuthorp
08-12-2013, 05:53 AM
I agree with you Bobby.
The guys in the rescue lifeboats, the swimmers in air sea rescue, paramedics, firefighters, aid workers in war zones, these are heroes.
Soldiers invading a country on some pretext and killing people from over a mile away are not heroes, not by any definition of the word!
I agree wit the first para Andev, but 'soldiers don't invade countries' without their government initiating the conflict, ordering it, arming them, transporting them, and the US seems to do this more often than most. And my government of course just follow orders and pitches in as well. And who elects the government? Us.
Except that in the US it seems that the electors no longer control the politicians or the purse. The banks, corporations and the MIC have usurped you.

skuthorp
08-12-2013, 06:05 AM
Someone has already said it Andev, it's press talk. I don't know about you, but here the press regularly talks of 'heroes' citing footballers, cricketers, any sportsman whose activities sell advertising in their outlets. Oh, and about ANZAC day they include a few ex and current service personnel.

Durnik
08-12-2013, 10:17 AM
didn't say he was a hero, just not a murderer

my mistake. i differentiate between 'just' or 'right', vs 'legal'. we disagree - he is a (legal) murderer, the 'not a hero' following naturally.



Not hero, just local press hack hyperbole - that's all.

Unfortunately all too common hyperbole that builds 'the publics' perception of an unjust invasion into a holy war.. My country, Christian nation that it is, worships killing & destruction far more than rescue under possibly life taking conditions. This is wrong.





Hero or not, putting the guy's name out there was wrong and the media should have realized it. Agree or not with war, putting someone in danger like that has no excuse. It's no secret that war involves the job of snipers, it's enough to know that we don't need to know who they are and we don't need to put their famlies in danger just to prove a point about war, that's no better than war itself

Really? This other guy isn't afraid to 'have his name out there'..


Cue rescue swimmer Petty Officer 3rd Class Dan Todd. Todd swam to the raft and in a particularly calm, candid moment greeted the survivors with, Hi Im Dan, I heard you guys need a ride.

Seems to me the fellow in the OP has made some poor life choices. Amazing how 'brave' he was standing a mile off with a scoped rifle when the other guys couldn't 'fight back'. Maybe a little less glorification of killers, coupled with a bit of 'reality' will minimize the willingness of people to kill.. from a mile away.. when their 'enemy' has no defense. As for "putting someone in danger", how about the people the U.S. MIC is so happy to both 'put in danger'.. & use people like the fellow in the OP to kill? Tell me, did you mind that the people he murdered were 'put out there'? As for 'putting families in danger', that is a favored tactic of the U.S. military in 'areas of conflict' - Afghanistan & Iraq come immediately (& currently) to mind. Seems to me 'turn about is fair play' & all.. unless "we're special'..

In a nutshell, making war 'safe' for one side will not eliminate war. I'd say our current 'endless war' is the result of it being so 'safe' for one side. Let's try wearing the 'other guys' shoes for a bit, eh? Those would be the shoes of the less, not more, fortunate.

peace
bobby

Those who can make us believe in absurdities can make us commit atrocities.

bobbys
08-12-2013, 11:59 AM
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

Here are Hero's (http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of-the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/).



and amazingly enough, they're not in fear for their lives..

peace
bobby.

I cannot believe my good luck in finally finding a person that can answer the trolly Problem!.

The trolley problem is a thought experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment) in ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics), first introduced by Philippa Foot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot) in 1967,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-Philippa_Foot_1978-1) but also extensively analysed by Judith Jarvis Thomson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Jarvis_Thomson),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-Judith_Jarvis_Thomson_1985-3) Peter Unger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Unger),[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-4) and Frances Kamm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Kamm) as recently as 1996.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-5) Outside of the domain of traditional philosophical discussion, the trolley problem has been a significant feature in the fields of cognitive science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_science) and, more recently, of neuroethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroethics). It has also been a topic on various TV shows dealing with human psychology.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The general form of the problem is this: There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. Unfortunately, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two options: (1) Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track. (2) Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person. Which is the correct choice?

John of Phoenix
08-12-2013, 12:07 PM
I cannot believe my good luck in finally finding a person that can answer the trolly Problem!.Your problem is not just spelling trolley, it's making a fallacious comparison.

wardd
08-12-2013, 05:54 PM
but it gave him a chance to impress us with the trolly thingie

Durnik
08-12-2013, 09:03 PM
I cannot believe my good luck in finally finding a person that can answer the trolly Problem!.

Today is your lucky day, my friend! Simply don't make up (fake or otherwise) problems which can (seemingly) only be solved by your favorite (most terrifying etc) method of violence & Viola! No Problem!

You're welcome ;-)

enjoy
bobby

skuthorp
08-13-2013, 06:17 AM
.

I cannot believe my good luck in finally finding a person that can answer the trolly Problem!.

The trolley problem is a thought experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment) in ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics), first introduced by Philippa Foot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot) in 1967,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-Philippa_Foot_1978-1) but also extensively analysed by Judith Jarvis Thomson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Jarvis_Thomson),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-Judith_Jarvis_Thomson_1985-3) Peter Unger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Unger),[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-4) and Frances Kamm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Kamm) as recently as 1996.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem#cite_note-5) Outside of the domain of traditional philosophical discussion, the trolley problem has been a significant feature in the fields of cognitive science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_science) and, more recently, of neuroethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroethics). It has also been a topic on various TV shows dealing with human psychology.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The general form of the problem is this: There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. Unfortunately, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two options: (1) Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track. (2) Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person. Which is the correct choice?

Pull the lever. (a). minimise the damage. (b). The trolly might derail if you time the lever pull right and no one will be hurt.

tizziec
08-13-2013, 06:58 AM
A sniper's job is not to eliminate war it is is to eliminate a threat. Do I agree with it? No, I don't agree with war as a rule, but I also do not agree with putting the individuals involved in it in added danger, as well as their families. I find that just as reprehencable. I do believe that if I could go back in time and kill hitler, I would, and so who is to say that the person a sniper picks off is not one about to enter a crowded place of innocents and destroy them? Frankly I think I am more able to accept a sniper than a mass bombing in which the collateral damage includes innocents.

What's wrong is wrong, no matter which side does it. It is wrong to be at way (IMO) and it is just as wrong to misuse information in a way that puts people in added danger. Just because you can make a comparrison to something, and make it look as though this man deserved it, can you say the same for his family or are they justifiable collateral damage in your cause?

seanz
08-13-2013, 07:08 AM
I do believe that if I could go back in time and kill hitler, I would

Rookie mistake.
;):)

tizziec
08-13-2013, 07:12 AM
Rookie mistake.
;):)

WEll I would do more than that (and hit more than him) but he was one f'd up dude who the world could have done without, and was the man with the charisma, always a bigger danger than brains

tizziec
08-13-2013, 07:18 AM
I don't think anyone is saying it was justified to expose him or especially his family to any risk. I haven't seen any serious argument for that.
The fact that some stupid newspaper that was doing a piece on the sniper, was a positive spin, but accidentlly, we assume, revealed his name doesn't mean anyone seriously thinks his family should be attacked. That's a pretty long bow to draw from what's been posted here.

The main argument appears to be whether he deserves the accolade "hero", something I think is very inappropriate in cases such as his.

People should have more of a brain. As for hero, well I have heard many a war vet hailed as a hero from wars past. I don't think that is a practice that will ever end as there will always be those who support war, and consider soldier's heroes. Who we make as our "heroes" is essentially a personal matter, whop society makes as their "heroes" is dependent on the needs of leadership. The media just wants to sell papers so to speak, and so with all the hits added to their site with this article, with people arguing the fact, they succeed.

pefjr
08-13-2013, 08:03 AM
Interesting, .....calling a well paid and trained soldier volunteer a murderer, while saluting a President that wears your chosen label, and supporting the Collateral damage as justification of your embedded fear (and cheap gasoline), all the while unaware of the profit motives of the puppeteers.

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 09:30 AM
and it's Tommy this and Tommy that and chuck him out, the brut, but it's Savior of his country when the guns begin to shoot"Savior of his country? A sniper? MAYBE you could TRY that argument with the crew of the "Enola Gay" over Hiroshima, but a sniper? In a one sided "war"? You're a hoot.

wardd
08-13-2013, 10:20 AM
Pull the lever. (a). minimise the damage. (b). The trolly might derail if you time the lever pull right and no one will be hurt.

the way i see it is the group of people standing on the track are probably poor and homeless and don't vote, so of no consequence while the single individual is probably a track inspector so a voting tax payer and he has probably been brainwashed and votes republican

so the answer is obvious, let the group of takers get run over

Bobby of Tulsa
08-13-2013, 01:57 PM
Better Nate than Lever... Google is your friend.

bobbys
08-13-2013, 02:13 PM
Your problem is not just spelling trolley, it's making a fallacious comparison..

Was this sniper a Murderer?.

Was A GI sniper in VN a murderer?

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 02:45 PM
Snipers are just soldiers doing a job. I seriously doubt any would call their work "heroic".

DanSkorupka
08-13-2013, 03:24 PM
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

Here are Hero's (http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of-the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/).



and amazingly enough, they're not in fear for their lives..

peace
bobby

Great minds think alike.
Did they pay for room and house and school for the surviving dependants of those he shot? Don't think so!

What he did may have been a necessary evil. A necessay evil is still something bad.
There is a method to the madness. It does not negate that it is madness.

While I would not go so far as to say murder I would not call a sniper a hero.
In war every trophy is tarnished.

pefjr
08-13-2013, 03:29 PM
Snipers are just soldiers doing a job. I seriously doubt any would call their work "heroic".That's why they wear those ribbons and give out Medals, right Honcho. Sinbad told us that Hillary was no heroine, but that don't stop you boys from the worship.

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 03:40 PM
You've regressed from obtuse to incoherent, junior. Check your meds.

pefjr
08-13-2013, 03:44 PM
You've regressed from obtuse to incoherent, junior. Check your meds.The rubber stamp poster. That re and pro tripped you up huh?:d

bobbys
08-13-2013, 03:47 PM
Snipers are just soldiers doing a job. I seriously doubt any would call their work "heroic"..

Why will you not rebuke the charge of murder.?

Everyone does have a job to do that is true but snipers often have a bounty on their heads ..

That means there is a extra special motive to get you.

In most cases one would have to volunteer for the job.

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 03:54 PM
1st Cav Cobra pilots had bounties on their heads in Vietnam. Does that make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?

bobbys
08-13-2013, 04:09 PM
1st Cav Cobra pilots had bounties on their heads in Vietnam. Does that make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?.

I think they must have had brass balls to fly overhead people with guns shooting at their azz.

But the charge was made that this sniper is a a murderer..

Is he or not?.

Or is this the wrong enemy and you refuse to comment?

wardd
08-13-2013, 04:15 PM
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I think they must have had brass balls to fly overhead people with guns shooting at their azz.

But the charge was made that this sniper is a a murderer..

Is he or not?.

Or is this the wrong enemy and you refuse to comment?

it's a matter of definition and point of view

to me he is no more a murderer than a pilot dropping bombs

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 04:26 PM
I think they must have had brass balls to fly overhead people with guns shooting at their azz.
You didn't answer the question. Does having a bounty placed on their heads make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?

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There have been snipers since firearms were invented. I know of none who have been tried for murder. What does common sense tell you?

tizziec
08-13-2013, 04:41 PM
If a sniper took out someone about to kill one of my loved ones I am sure I would think them a hero, but then the loved ones of the victim may call it murder.

pefjr
08-13-2013, 04:46 PM
A better question would be, is the soldier that is pushing the drone button and killing innocent mothers and children by the hundreds, and breaking International Law a murderer and subject to prosecution in International Court? . Hmmmm.....as for V/N, here we are 50 years later making the same mistakes. No wonder we are hated the world over.

tizziec
08-13-2013, 04:47 PM
A better question would be, is the soldier that is pushing the drone button and killing innocent mothers and children by the hundreds, and breaking International Law a murderer and subject to prosecution in International Court? . Hmmmm.....as for V/N, here we are 50 years later making the same mistakes. No wonder we are hated the world over.

I would say the ones doing the ordering of said soldier are more up on my list for prosecution, not to say the soldier should not be guiltless, but as studies show, we do what we are told to by authority figures.

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 05:08 PM
Another question would be, is the GI who lobs an artillery shell/throws a grenade/fires a tank round/drops a bomb/fires a missile/you name it, into a compound and kills innocent mothers and children by the hundreds, breaking International Law, a murderer and subject to prosecution in International Court?

What's the difference... other than the level of risk to the GI?

What's your problem with drones?

pefjr
08-13-2013, 05:12 PM
I would say the ones doing the ordering of said soldier are more up on my list for prosecution, not to say the soldier should not be guiltless, but as studies show, we do what we are told to by authority figures.
The US and Allies have tried and convicted the guilty for less. I believe that Truman set the standard. "The Buck Stops Here"

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 05:17 PM
You're going nuts about civilian casualties and praise the guy who dropped two atomic bombs?

bobbys
08-13-2013, 05:24 PM
You didn't answer the question. Does having a bounty placed on their heads make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?

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There have been snipers since firearms were invented. I know of none who have been tried for murder. What does common sense tell you?.

I never charged anyone with a murder charge...

I wouda thought you would have been a bit outraged about that instead you found a conservative to be worked up about



Im wondering why you are getting so nit picky with me instead Durnik.

8-11-2013, 10:39 AM
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http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/icons/icon1.png Re: Hero sniper paid 100,000 in compensation after identity was realised
"Hero"?? No, he's a murderer..

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Why can't you reds ever answer a direct question? Is it genetic?

Does having a bounty placed on their heads make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?

What does common sense tell you?

bobbys
08-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Why can't you reds ever answer a direct question? Is it genetic?

Does having a bounty placed on their heads make them murders? Heroes? Both? Neither? Why?.

Your the one spinning around like a top trying to divert the original charge.

Why do you not defend the accusations of murder?.

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 05:33 PM
Why do you not defend the accusations of murder?.What's to defend? I've already expressed my opinion.

Why can't you bring yourself to answer direct questions? (That's two more, btw.)

pefjr
08-13-2013, 05:53 PM
You're going nuts about civilian casualties and praise the guy who dropped two atomic bombs?Reading Comprehension again, do not come to my class, it is a waste of my time.:D BTW, I would praise him for dropping the bombs, the bombs saved untold numbers of lives. You are so funny, you used Truman as an example earlier in this thread as a possible example, have you forgotten?

ccmanuals
08-13-2013, 05:59 PM
On Sept 11,
15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. The 4 others were from Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE but yet we attack Iraq a country that had nothing to do with the attack. Does that make the U.S. murderers?

John of Phoenix
08-13-2013, 06:42 PM
you used Truman as an example earlier in this thread as a possible example,Now you're delusional. Check your meds.

pefjr
08-13-2013, 07:12 PM
Now you're delusional. Check your meds.
Savior of his country? A sniper? MAYBE you could TRY that argument with the crew of the "Enola Gay" over Hiroshima, but a sniper? In a one sided "war"? You're a hoot JOP :rolleyes::D:d

seanz
08-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Truman was part of the crew of the Enola Gay?

pefjr
08-13-2013, 07:19 PM
Truman was part of the crew of the Enola Gay?Deliberately Obtuse. Apparently it's "PROGRESSIVE"
*Warning: If it gets any worse, I am putting you on my fake ignore list.

bobbys
08-13-2013, 07:57 PM
Truman was part of the crew of the Enola Gay?.

Was he a murderer or hero?

tizziec
08-14-2013, 06:27 AM
The US and Allies have tried and convicted the guilty for less. I believe that Truman set the standard. "The Buck Stops Here"

I don't disagreewith you here. We have a multitude of double standards, but that does not change what I personally feel is just