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TomF
08-06-2013, 06:08 AM
The unthinkable happened this weekend in a small town in northern New Brunswick. An African rock python escaped from its enclosure in a reptile store, made its way through the ventilation system to an apartment above the store, and killed two small boys. The lads, 5 and 7, were visiting; the store owner's son was asleep in another room.

Terribly rare and all, but it does make one wonder why it's necessary to keep 100 pound snakes as pets, eh?

The laws respecting the sale of such snakes had been relaxed here just a few years back. Expect some rethinking by the politicians.

Bernadette
08-06-2013, 06:11 AM
i can understand perhaps, one child being killed...but two?

TomF
08-06-2013, 06:15 AM
it does sound far out. The boys were found strangled in their sleep; the snake nearby. It is always possible, of course, that instead it was some form of foul play with the snake as a "cover," but that's not how police are treating it so far. Though things could change after autopsies scheduled for today, I guess.

Bernadette
08-06-2013, 06:24 AM
keep us informed if you can please tom? i would be very interested to learn what investigators find is the cause/s of death. as i say, i can visualise one child becoming a victim, but two does seem rather incredulous.

tizziec
08-06-2013, 06:28 AM
OMG nightmare!!!!!!

TomF
08-06-2013, 06:48 AM
Yep. I would not be surprised at all to learn that the murderous snake wasn't a python, but a human which conveniently placed a python nearby. Rather more precedent for that than for an African rock python going rogue.

Breakaway
08-06-2013, 08:12 AM
Horrible. But I also have reservations. A constrictor doesn't strangle prey; it coils about the body preventing breathing by limiting chest expansion. ( NB-- I had a boa constrictor as a kid)

Kevin

S.V. Airlie
08-06-2013, 09:05 AM
The unthinkable happened this weekend in a small town in northern New Brunswick. An African rock python escaped from its enclosure in a reptile store, made its way through the ventilation system to an apartment above the store, and killed two small boys. The lads, 5 and 7, were visiting; the store owner's son was asleep in another room.

Terribly rare and all, but it does make one wonder why it's necessary to keep 100 pound snakes as pets, eh?

The laws respecting the sale of such snakes had been relaxed here just a few years back. Expect some rethinking by the politicians.Exotic pets don't belong as pets ever. Look what has happened in FL. since some dumb butts have released them!

Figment
08-06-2013, 09:25 AM
I'm no snake expert, but would it not also be extraordinarily unusual for one to make a second kill instead of just eating the first one right away?

stevebaby
08-06-2013, 09:35 AM
I'm no snake expert, but would it not also be extraordinarily unusual for one to make a second kill instead of just eating the first one right away?Kinda depends on whether the snake can swallow the prey once it's killed it. Our gardener showed us a python, about 6-7ft., which had eaten one of his young goats. If'n it didn't have a bellyful of goat it would have been quite capable of killing a child even if it it couldn't swallow it whole.
He was pretty happy about the snake eating his goat. A snake with a goat in it was worth more to the Chinese medicine makers than either a goat or a snake.
He carried it in a cardboard box on the back of his bike. :D

TomF
08-06-2013, 10:41 AM
Exotic pets don't belong as pets ever. Look what has happened in FL. since some dumb butts have released them!Oh, I couldn't agree more. There will be pythons in those swamps forever, though their numbers may shrink once they've gone through most of the native prey.

Pythons wouldn't last long in our winters, mind. But I remember hearing a story once about worry when Siberian tigers escaped from a circus train once in Northern Ontario. The Siberian tigers at the Edmonton zoo sure weren't fazed by the cold ... beautiful, enormous, terrifying creatures.

CWSmith
08-06-2013, 12:12 PM
A pet store near me shows off a rattle snake and while it's is not supposedly for sale, they do have venemous snakes in the back room "for other purposes". So I walk in one day and a fellow is standing by with a pillow case on the shelf. I stopped just short of putting my hand on the bag and saying "So, what did you bring them?" when I realized he almost certainly had a rattler.

Why do people keep them? Same as pit bulls and fast cars - they are making up for other deficiencies.

Paul Pless
08-06-2013, 12:16 PM
Why do people keep them? Same as pit bulls and fast cars - they are making up for other deficiencies.what's wrong with pitbulls, or fast cars for that matter??

Jim Bow
08-06-2013, 12:44 PM
Comments from NatGeo

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130806-african-rock-python-snakes-canada-killed-boys-world/

PhaseLockedLoop
08-06-2013, 02:09 PM
what's wrong with pitbulls, or fast cars for that matter??

Nothing wrong with pit bulls. Fast cars are unnecessarily dangerous, unless I have one.

B_B
08-06-2013, 08:52 PM
The boys were on a sleepover at a friends house.

I can't imagine how I'd feel if I was in their mom's position. I really can't.

Also, the snake wasn't in the pet shop, it was in the apartment (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/python-attacks-lead-to-questions-over-exotic-animal-ownership/article13608312/), and the owner didn't have a permit for it.

Shang
08-06-2013, 09:37 PM
Exotic pets don't belong as pets ever...

Jamie is right.
Exotic animals should never, never be kept as pets.

On my kid's birthday a gang of his friends came over. One kid asked me if it was okay if they gave him an iguana, and showed me a palm-sized little lizard in a box. Three years later my kid was away at college and I was superintending a two and a half foot Godzilla who had claws like infected razors, a tail that could raise welts when it lashed, and a mouth that could remove triangular divots of flesh when he pleased.
I rapidly learned the only safe ways to grab and hold "Iggy" (all of those flesh-eating bastards are named Iggy). Feeding Iggy was difficult, but cleaning his cage was a near death experience.
Just as I was considering shooting the bastard through his cage wire a Bigger Fool came along and asked if I would sell Iggy. SELL HIM! HELL! OPEN YOUR CAR DOOR! CAGE THROWN IN FOR FREE!

I once lived in Florida, but now I won't go anywhere near there because I know that somewhere in the swamps Iggy is laying in wait for me.

CWSmith
08-06-2013, 09:45 PM
what's wrong with pitbulls, or fast cars for that matter??

or the need to own guns. Whatever you need to make you a man.

CWSmith
08-06-2013, 09:57 PM
Sorry, Paul. That wasn't fair.

I like fast cars. I hate aggressive dogs. I'd rather have a dog that greets the robber, shows him where the silver is, and watches him leave. Why? Because it's just silver. I don't need a dog with any inclination to bite.

And I have no use for guns.

I guess what bothers me is that I seldom see the guy with the gun and the pit bull walking the little old lady home with her social security check, know what I mean?

coelacanth2
08-06-2013, 11:49 PM
My son has three exotics - two bearded dragons and a leopard gecko. The older dragon is very mellow, mostly wanting to be coddled and fed treats. The younger is ravenous all the time, since he's still growing, but is settling down. The gecko is tame but timid. All 3 are too small to do any real damage.
Big snakes and poisonous reptiles - why?

pipefitter
08-07-2013, 02:07 AM
Why do people keep them? Same as pit bulls and fast cars - they are making up for other deficiencies.

I never really would have thought to choose a pit bull as a pet, but they are exceptional 'people' dogs. To the point where you may question their seemingly superior telepathic abilities.

The APB I owned lived to please for 15 years and he was my 3rd. I know a lot of other pit bull owners with the same experience. Wonderfully docile creatures in the home. Better than most I would say. I owned a Rottweiler before him and not because he was scary, but because he was so acutely personable. I would have a tough time choosing between the two if I were to get another.

Look at the face. This dog could not get enough of me to the point where I had to take him everywhere, even to work. Never barked, never pissed or crapped in the house and could communicate back and forth with just eye contact and that is no exaggeration. No random acts of aggression. Had one incident where he found it necessary to protect me, but all he had to do was raise his hair and show his teeth and escort the transient out of our shop and out of the parking lot. One of the most incredible and intelligent things I ever saw a dog do without being prompted to do so. How could he just know that on his own, that this one seedy character was the wrong one out of hundreds of people?

80# of pure love, right there.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/tigmaster/img_0273.jpg

He had no idea he was any different than anyone else. Loved people and especially kids. He made sure he was always included. He changed a lot of people's minds about pit bulls. Unfortunately for me, his presence was such that he is also the hardest to get over. He just passed a few weeks ago.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/tigmaster/P1060018.jpg

Everyone in this neighborhood knew him and friends cried real tears over his passing. Customers that we have had for years notice he is not there any longer. I don't even have the nerve to vacuum his fur out of the car.

Do yourself a favor and avoid the breed. They will raise expectations of what good dogs should be. I'm ruined for life. I either have to have another or none at all. I don't know if life from here on out would allow me to put the quality of time in that I had with this one. I don't know that anyone else could have, either.

CWSmith
08-07-2013, 09:04 AM
My son has three exotics - two bearded dragons and a leopard gecko. The older dragon is very mellow, mostly wanting to be coddled and fed treats. The younger is ravenous all the time, since he's still growing, but is settling down. The gecko is tame but timid. All 3 are too small to do any real damage.
Big snakes and poisonous reptiles - why?

Read "Dragons of Eden" by Carl Sagan. No, it's not a fantasy book. It's about evolution. I'm not saying you're wrong, but read it for perspective.


I never really would have thought to choose a pit bull as a pet, but they are exceptional 'people' dogs. To the point where you may question their seemingly superior telepathic abilities...

The best response that I can offer is that dogs reflect their owners and this one obviously had a great owner. The dog was bred to fight and has the biting power that is beyond bone crushing. I'm not saying they are bad, but they attract a lot of bad owners. That, with the potential they bring for fast and dangerous action, and I'll take a mutt. I'm not saying they are all bad.

TomF
08-07-2013, 09:55 AM
The radio news this morning had an interview ... a few more details coming out.

The snake had been in a very tall enclosure, with an open top inches away from the ceiling. The ventilation duct cover in the ceiling above the enclosure was apparently missing - but somehow the store owner doesn't seem to have thought that the snake could get out anyway. It did, crawled through the ventilation duct ... nobody's quite sure what attracted it, though it may have smelled food from the apartment above. The ductwork led to the ceiling of the apartment on the 2nd floor, specifically the ceiling of the room in which the children were sleeping.

Part of the ceiling gave way under the 100 pound weight of the snake, dropping it. Presumably, falling 7' through the ceiling agitated the snake a wee bit - maybe triggering it to feel the need to protect itself...

This is now making more sense, and looking like it could be exactly how it was first described. But obviously an avoidable accident, involving at a tragic misjudgment about the type and location of the snake enclosure.

Donn
08-07-2013, 02:49 PM
Now it appears the snake didn't escape the store. It was living in the apartment.

Link (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/08/python-that-killed-2-boys-was-kept-in-house-police-say/)