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Gerarddm
07-27-2013, 12:07 PM
Huh?

10. Overweight Chef Kicked Out of New Zealand (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/07/27/new-zealand-asked-to-leave-due-to-weight.html)It was only a matter of time until the worldwide crises of obesity and immigration law met in the wildest of ways. Immigration officials in New Zealand say that they have told a South African chef he must leave the country. Why? His weight. The man, who weighs 286 pounds, moved to Christchurch six years ago at an even higher weight of 352 pounds. Nevertheless, the country, nearly 30 percent of whose population is overweight, claims he does not represent "an acceptable standard of health." New Zealand may be on its way to violating one of the most important maxims of cooking: never trust a skinny chef.


Read it at BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23475583)

Captain Intrepid
07-27-2013, 12:25 PM
Its up to countries to choose their immigration standards. Going by health isn't such a bad thing.

Gerarddm
07-27-2013, 12:33 PM
They let him in when he was fatter, so what's with getting on his case now?

Captain Intrepid
07-27-2013, 12:36 PM
Changed guidelines, spot checks, someone who letknows him through when they shouldn't have, who knows?

skuthorp
07-27-2013, 04:21 PM
Maybe they've gone over to the 'airline seat standard'. If you can't fit in a standard seat you can't get in.:D

Peerie Maa
07-27-2013, 04:26 PM
Follow the money:

The couple has appealed to New Zealand's immigration minister, citing the chef's recent weight loss.

An immigration spokesman said Mr Buitenhuis's application had been rejected because his obesity put him at "significant risk" of complications including diabetes, hypertension and heart disease.
"It is important that all migrants have an acceptable standard of health to minimise costs and demands on New Zealand's health services," he said.
From the BeeB report.

skuthorp
07-27-2013, 05:42 PM
Unless it's a glandular problem or genetic it's a choice.

WX
07-27-2013, 05:42 PM
I hear NZ is deporting all fat people as it's be scientifically proven their combined mass is causing earthquakes.

Ian McColgin
07-27-2013, 05:44 PM
Too many sheep. Too little time.

Phillip Allen
07-27-2013, 06:57 PM
maybe we should use the Zimmerman standard... it was because he was black...

seanz
07-27-2013, 07:04 PM
maybe we should use the Zimmerman standard... it was because he was black...


It's not as if the immigration department shot him, they just refused to renew his work visa. Maybe he should have applied for residency a few years ago.

The Bigfella
07-27-2013, 07:04 PM
We are deporting any migrants who turn up here in wooden boats to PNG. 1269 in the last week

Arizona Bay
07-27-2013, 07:22 PM
I wonder why Pa assumes he's black...

Phillip Allen
07-27-2013, 07:26 PM
I wonder why Pa assumes he's black...

African... don'tcha know that all the people allowed to call themselves 'African' are black... South African imigrants to the United States are not allowed to refer to themselves as African-American

The Bigfella
07-27-2013, 07:30 PM
African... don'tcha know that all the people allowed to call themselves 'African' are black... South African imigrants to the United States are not allowed to refer to themselves as African-American

racist sh!t like this doesn't belong on the forum

seanz
07-27-2013, 07:35 PM
African... don'tcha know that all the people allowed to call themselves 'African' are black... South African imigrants to the United States are not allowed to refer to themselves as African-American

Of course not, they're South-African-American.


I sometimes think that Phillip is from Madagascar, "If you have any poo, throw it now."

Arizona Bay
07-27-2013, 07:38 PM
Oh really... :D

I wasn't aware that there was a grand allower.

Phillip Allen
07-27-2013, 07:56 PM
Oh really... :D

I wasn't aware that there was a grand allower.

it's called the DNC

seanz
07-27-2013, 07:59 PM
it's called the DNC

What's that make the RNC? The Grand Denier?







:D

Phillip Allen
07-27-2013, 08:03 PM
What's that make the RNC? The Grand Denier?





:D

probably... just not about the same things; race-baiting is the exclusive provence of the left

Arizona Bay
07-27-2013, 08:13 PM
probably... just not about the same things; race-baiting is the exclusive provence of the left
Yet oddly enough, you're the one that brought race into it.

Though you may deny it.

Phillip Allen
07-27-2013, 08:15 PM
Yet oddly enough, you're the one that brought race into it.

Though you may deny it.

race was already in it... but the racist's name wasn't Zimmerman... that's the only difference

seanz
07-27-2013, 08:17 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8970683/Too-fat-to-live-here

Phillip, do think the person in question is a black South African?

The Bigfella
07-27-2013, 08:17 PM
probably... just not about the same things; race-baiting is the exclusive provence of the left


race was already in it... but the racist's name wasn't Zimmerman... that's the only difference

Actually, the racism is pretty clear.

epoxyboy
07-28-2013, 02:47 AM
Huh?

10. Overweight Chef Kicked Out of New Zealand (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/07/27/new-zealand-asked-to-leave-due-to-weight.html)

It was only a matter of time until the worldwide crises of obesity and immigration law met in the wildest of ways. Immigration officials in New Zealand say that they have told a South African chef he must leave the country. Why? His weight. The man, who weighs 286 pounds, moved to Christchurch six years ago at an even higher weight of 352 pounds. Nevertheless, the country, nearly 30 percent of whose population is overweight, claims he does not represent "an acceptable standard of health." New Zealand may be on its way to violating one of the most important maxims of cooking: never trust a skinny chef.


Read it at BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23475583)

Hey, if you guys can lock people up for years in cuba without a trial, we can stop obese people from foreign countries bludging off our FREE health care system. You got a problem with that?
:D:D:D

PeterSibley
07-28-2013, 03:29 AM
Hey, if you guys can lock people up for years in cuba without a trial, we can stop obese people from foreign countries bludging off our FREE health care system. You got a problem with that?
:D:D:D

They've got a problem with a FREE health system, it's socialism if everyone pays and everyone benefits.

The Bigfella
07-28-2013, 03:48 AM
Hmmm... these free health systems aren't really. Ours, for example. I just paid out well over $1,000 for allergy testing... not covered. My wife just paid out $290 for an MRI... not covered. And on it goes.

epoxyboy
07-28-2013, 03:55 AM
You'll get the MRI free here, but by the time you do you might be wishing you'd paid and had it done six months earlier. Of course that depends a bit on what it is for, as youll get it quick-smart if it is something life threatening. If its just for a cranky hip or knee though, you might not want to be in a hurry

PeterSibley
07-28-2013, 04:17 AM
You'll get the MRI free here, but by the time you do you might be wishing you'd paid and had it done six months earlier. Of course that depends a bit on what it is for, as youll get it quick-smart if it is something life threatening. If its just for a cranky hip or knee though, you might not want to be in a hurry

Yep, my daughter hospitalisation and the repair of 2 holes in her heart was free, all rehab was free, my thumb reattachment and physio was free. If ita knee or a hip you an wait and it will be fixed but if you have the cash you can go private. It's a choice .

skuthorp
07-28-2013, 08:09 AM
On the subject of overweight people, in my home state two obese patients have been referred to a veterinary hospital because they were too big and too heavy to fit in a human scaled machine. The Vet's one is designed for race horses.
"In recent months two patients have been sent to the University of Melbourne's Veterinary Hospital in Werribee because none of the state's hospitals have human CT scanners large enough to accommodate them."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/super-obese-patients-scanned-at-vet-hospital/story-e6frg6n6-1226686875846

John Smith
07-28-2013, 08:11 AM
Changed guidelines, spot checks, someone who letknows him through when they shouldn't have, who knows?

Retroactive law?

John Smith
07-28-2013, 08:23 AM
Weight's a strange thing. Much like the "experts" on raising children have no children, many of the "experts" on losing weight never had to.

I've been no less active than my friends during my life. I've eaten no more than they, and often they've eaten much more than I have, yet I am fat and they are thin. We had two people at work who wanted to gain weight. I could list some of what they ate but you'd likely not believe it, and the girl couldn't get to 100 lbs, and they guy couldn't get over 110. One my friends, who sadly got shot and died, went out to dinner with me and another gentleman. Two of us couldn't finish our meal, so my friend ate what we left. He then made 3 trips to the salad bar and came back with a plate full of potato salad, macaroni salad, etc. and ate all three. He'd have gone back for a fourth, but we wouldn't let him. He was a skinny guy.

When people say being fat is a choice, it rings as phony to me as when people say being gay is a choice. I really don't believe anyone wants to be fat. All my life I have seen ads for weight loss programs. Lots of "before and after" pictures of people, who upon close inspection, they were not of the same person. Weight loss is a billion dollar industry. Lots of people spend a lot of money in efforts to lose weight. Some are successful. Most are not. Some lose the weight, but can't keep it off.

I'm very heavy. My heart and my lungs are doing great. Other things hurt. When things hurt it tends to cut down on activity. When one is less active........well you can see where it leads.

Gerarddm
07-28-2013, 10:16 AM
I am continually suprised that morbidly obese people live as long as they do. The human body is really adaptive, and life is tenacious.

Some obesity is gladular, sure. Some is due to a slow metabolism. Some is due to lousy willpower, or psych related causes, or whatever.

If it isn't glandular, then there are remedies. Change one's diet and/or physical activities, see a shrink, get lap band surgery.

seanz
07-28-2013, 03:09 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8970683/Too-fat-to-live-here

Phillip, do think the person in question is a black South African?


Phillip? :)

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 03:40 PM
my 'thinking' on the matter has the same validity as the bilge-left's opinion on Zimmerman


okay, I'm back on for the first time since this morning... fire away

hokiefan
07-28-2013, 03:41 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8970683/Too-fat-to-live-here

Phillip, do think the person in question is a black South African?


Phillip? :)

Come on seanz, you know Phillip never comments on anything without reading the articles carefully. That could make him look quite silly.

Oops...

seanz
07-28-2013, 03:43 PM
my 'thinking' on the matter has the same validity as the bilge-left's opinion on Zimmerman

Delusions of grandeur?
:D

Read the article yet?
:)

Oops indeed, didn't see hokiefan's post there.......

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 03:43 PM
Ziiinnnggg!

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 03:46 PM
Delusions of grandeur?
:D

Read the article yet?
:)

Oops indeed, didn't see hokiefan's post there.......

NO... I just 'guessed' at his being African

Joerg Sarbach/AP


Overweight Chef Kicked Out of New Zealand




It was only a matter of time until the worldwide crises of obesity and immigration law met in the wildest of ways. Immigration officials in New Zealand say that they have told a South African chef he must leave the country. Why? His weight. The man, who weighs 286 pounds, moved to Christchurch six years ago at an even higher weight of 352 pounds. Nevertheless, the country, nearly 30 percent of whose population is overweight, claims he does not represent "an acceptable standard of health." New Zealand may be on its way to violating one of the most important maxims of cooking: never trust a skinny chef.

seanz
07-28-2013, 04:07 PM
I just 'guessed' at his being African

You guessed right there. Uncanny really.
;)

AnalogKid
07-28-2013, 04:15 PM
Changed guidelines, spot checks, someone who let knows him through when they shouldn't have, who knows?

I read another article on about the guy's case this morning. He knows that the world is watching the outcome, and presumably so do the 'people' at the immigration department, and the government minister responsible. - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8974797/No-word-for-obese-man-over-NZ-residency

The deal is, up to now he has been living and working on a work visa. This is all fine and legal but a visa type only intended for short-term migrant workers. The rules for getting such a visa are all focused on the candidates ability and qualifications to do a job and the shortage of local workers who could otherwise fill the role. The downside of a work visa is that the maximum extent is 3 years (or it was last time I looked) and unless you pass a stringent medical check, only 2 years. You can get your work visa renewed so long as your still wanted in your job, but there's no long-term security.

To get that security you need to apply for permanent residency via a points based system, with a few additional absolute criteria. Points can be earned for age, qualifications, work experience and the ability to speak and write English (or Te Reo Maori). The absolute criteria involve things like maximum age ceiling, criminal record and ability to pass an even more stringent medical exam than the one that applies to 3-year work visas.

While this guy's case seems a little sad, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. There have been plenty of cases where a jobsworth approach seems to defy all common sense and compassion, and the minister can overturn the department in such cases, but such cases tend to be far more deserving than this one I think.

Andy.

Chip-skiff
07-28-2013, 04:15 PM
The chef in question, Albert Buitenhuis, appears to be a white South Africanó

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSud0h6bCWSIczcg5JZc-uYERKpoICYM-t58xyvMK5EI2T1TKaesQ

New Zealand's health care scheme is very good, compared to the US and many other supposedly civilised nations. So they are wary about letting people stay for extended periods who have not paid NZ taxes and who are also likely to require expensive health measures.

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 04:23 PM
The chef in question, Albert Buitenhuis, appears to be a white South African—

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSud0h6bCWSIczcg5JZc-uYERKpoICYM-t58xyvMK5EI2T1TKaesQ

New Zealand's health care scheme is very good, compared to the US and many other supposedly civilised nations. So they are wary about letting people stay for extended periods who have not paid NZ taxes and who are also likely to require expensive health measures.

so then, by Democrat standards, he can't be African-New Zealand

Captain Intrepid
07-28-2013, 04:24 PM
I read another article on about the guy's case this morning. He knows that the world is watching the outcome, and presumably so do the 'people' at the immigration department, and the government minister responsible. - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8974797/No-word-for-obese-man-over-NZ-residency

The deal is, up to now he has been living and working on a work visa. This is all fine and legal but a visa type only intended for short-term migrant workers. The rules for getting such a visa are all focused on the candidates ability and qualifications to do a job and the shortage of local workers who could otherwise fill the role. The downside of a work visa is that the maximum extent is 3 years (or it was last time I looked) and unless you pass a stringent medical check, only 2 years. You can get your work visa renewed so long as your still wanted in your job, but there's no long-term security.

To get that security you need to apply for permanent residency via a points based system, with a few additional absolute criteria. Points can be earned for age, qualifications, work experience and the ability to speak and write English (or Te Reo Maori). The absolute criteria involve things like maximum age ceiling, criminal record and ability to pass an even more stringent medical exam than the one that applies to 3-year work visas.

While this guy's case seems a little sad, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. There have been plenty of cases where a jobsworth approach seems to defy all common sense and compassion, and the minister can overturn the department in such cases, but such cases tend to be far more deserving than this one I think.

Andy.

Thanks for the information! Very illuminating. Sounds like the system working as it's designed to.

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 04:25 PM
I read another article on about the guy's case this morning. He knows that the world is watching the outcome, and presumably so do the 'people' at the immigration department, and the government minister responsible. - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8974797/No-word-for-obese-man-over-NZ-residency

The deal is, up to now he has been living and working on a work visa. This is all fine and legal but a visa type only intended for short-term migrant workers. The rules for getting such a visa are all focused on the candidates ability and qualifications to do a job and the shortage of local workers who could otherwise fill the role. The downside of a work visa is that the maximum extent is 3 years (or it was last time I looked) and unless you pass a stringent medical check, only 2 years. You can get your work visa renewed so long as your still wanted in your job, but there's no long-term security.

To get that security you need to apply for permanent residency via a points based system, with a few additional absolute criteria. Points can be earned for age, qualifications, work experience and the ability to speak and write English (or Te Reo Maori). The absolute criteria involve things like maximum age ceiling, criminal record and ability to pass an even more stringent medical exam than the one that applies to 3-year work visas.

While this guy's case seems a little sad, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. There have been plenty of cases where a jobsworth approach seems to defy all common sense and compassion, and the minister can overturn the department in such cases, but such cases tend to be far more deserving than this one I think.

Andy.

you ought to be glad you don't share a border with Mexico... your laws would then be unconstitutional :)

seanz
07-28-2013, 04:27 PM
so then, by Democrat standards, he can't be African-New Zealand

Thankfully (for the moment) it's not that right-wing here.

seanz
07-28-2013, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the information! Very illuminating. Sounds like the system working as it's designed to.


He's been here six years, probably should have applied for residency instead of just getting along on a work visa. I'll say the system is being a little bit punitive..........he would have been paying taxes while he worked here and if he hasn't had any major health problems in the last six years, hasn't he proved he should be allowed to stay?

hokiefan
07-28-2013, 04:34 PM
NO... I just 'guessed' at his being African

Joerg Sarbach/AP


Overweight Chef Kicked Out of New Zealand




It was only a matter of time until the worldwide crises of obesity and immigration law met in the wildest of ways. Immigration officials in New Zealand say that they have told a South African chef he must leave the country. Why? His weight. The man, who weighs 286 pounds, moved to Christchurch six years ago at an even higher weight of 352 pounds. Nevertheless, the country, nearly 30 percent of whose population is overweight, claims he does not represent "an acceptable standard of health." New Zealand may be on its way to violating one of the most important maxims of cooking: never trust a skinny chef.

Your guess that he is African is hardly a guess given that the article said he was African. Your assumption as to his skin color, and the projection that his skin color played in New Zealand's decision making process makes you look exceedingly silly.

Phillip Allen
07-28-2013, 04:41 PM
Your guess that he is African is hardly a guess given that the article said he was African. Your assumption as to his skin color, and the projection that his skin color played in New Zealand's decision making process makes you look exceedingly silly.

I said what I said in dresponce to someone suggesting I hadn't read the article when it was patently obvious that I had

the skin color thing is in a repeated responce to our United States 'ian' propencity to call ALL residents of a dark color 'African-Americans' even though they might never have been to Africa, let alone having been born there.

AnalogKid
07-28-2013, 04:47 PM
He's been here six years, probably should have applied for residency instead of just getting along on a work visa. I'll say the system is being a little bit punitive..........he would have been paying taxes while he worked here and if he hasn't had any major health problems in the last six years, hasn't he proved he should be allowed to stay?

But it doesn't work like that. I'd like to bet he kept going on 2-year renewals on the work visa. On that basis, while he was paying taxes he could enjoy most of the benefits of residency but without voting rights. If he had kids, they would have eligible for free education because of the tax he was paying. Maybe he thought he's shed enough weight to give residency a try, but if he was smart enough to fill out the forms (and there are many) he was smart enough to understand the rules. Gambling on getting residency at a later date while making an ever larger emotional investment is a big risk. Once a resident, its not immediate medical care that is the issue, but continued care once he retires and is no longer paying taxes. If his weight is no longer significantly risking his long term health then he should be able to find a GP to state that is the case and sponsor his application.

skuthorp
07-28-2013, 04:59 PM
My stepfather, a wonderful man, was Sth. African from a descended from French migrants in the late 1600's. He was ostensibly white, though the family name had spread through the gamut of races by the mid 1800's. If asked he always said that he was African and proud of it. A longer claim to nationality than all european Australians.
BTW, I had always presumed that the term 'African American' had a strong and proud cultural component to it, as has Aboriginal ancestry here.

seanz
07-28-2013, 05:07 PM
But it doesn't work like that

I didn't say that it did.
;)

Chip-skiff
07-28-2013, 05:18 PM
South Africa is a complicated place, mate—


http://youtu.be/KfTkD-XWOFg

hokiefan
07-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Your guess that he is African is hardly a guess given that the article said he was African. Your assumption as to his skin color, and the projection that his skin color played in New Zealand's decision making process makes you look exceedingly silly.


I said what I said in dresponce to someone suggesting I hadn't read the article when it was patently obvious that I had

the skin color thing is in a repeated responce to our United States 'ian' propencity to call ALL residents of a dark color 'African-Americans' even though they might never have been to Africa, let alone having been born there.

I was referring to this post (#11) where you made the bold assumptions which make you look silly... among other things.


maybe we should use the Zimmerman standard... it was because he was black...

seanz
07-29-2013, 04:28 AM
Ha! You idiots.
:)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8976118/Has-the-world-forgotten-our-quakes

Say what you like about the fat South African chef, he's made Christchurch look better than it has in years. I say he should stay. :D