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Clarkey
06-30-2013, 03:33 PM
Awesome effort by Sebastien Loeb to absolutely destroy the Pikes peak record today - 8 minutes 13 seconds. Shame about the appalling web coverage but hopefully we will get a glorious HD video effort in the fullness of time.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
06-30-2013, 03:41 PM
Possibly the greatest racing driver of the past twenty years.

Paul Pless
06-30-2013, 03:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QKdnz8i14E&feature=player_embedded

Donn
06-30-2013, 04:21 PM
The first running was won at just under 21 minutes.

I liked it better before they paved it.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/34/d2/34d212bf925430c5e869f8fd08a6cb50.jpg?itok=i4ZZ9uMC

Lew Barrett
06-30-2013, 04:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTiTPAusog4

John Meachen
06-30-2013, 04:26 PM
Possibly the greatest racing driver of the past twenty years.
Agreed.Possibly one of the very best of all time,hard to imagine anybody matching nine consecutive WRC's.

Reynard38
06-30-2013, 05:54 PM
He didn't just best the record, he vaporized it.
Amazing drive. I love WRC. Spotty coverage here in the US. Velocity TV sometimes has it on.

Paul Pless
06-30-2013, 06:11 PM
He didn't just best the record, he vaporized it. To be fair, the entire route has only been paved since August 2011. Before then 30% of the route was gravel. So this is only the second year that the race has been run on full pavement. . .

Donn
06-30-2013, 06:18 PM
These guys would be fun to see...and hear:

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/9096299+w750+st0/163_0712_10z+pikes_peak_international_hill_climb+f reightliner.jpg

moTthediesel
06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
I love WRC. Spotty coverage here in the US. Velocity TV sometimes has it on.

Fox/NASCAR killed it on Speed -- they were afraid that it could become a threat to the boring taxi cab racing that they endlessly promote here.

Reynard38
06-30-2013, 07:00 PM
To be fair, the entire route has only been paved since August 2011. Before then 30% of the route was gravel. So this is only the second year that the race has been run on full pavement. . .

Though impossible to do, it would be an interesting comparison of how much the paving of the course has affected times. Ive heard it said that the gravel stages in the WRC can be faster that the Tarmac stages. It would seem the opposite would be true, but then again the drivers do some amazing things with limited traction.
I do think the cars and drivers have gotten faster as well.

Paul Pless
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
Though impossible to do, it would be an interesting comparison of how much the paving of the course has affected times. Ive heard it said that the gravel stages in the WRC can be faster that the Tarmac stages. It would seem the opposite would be true, but then again the drivers do some amazing things with limited traction.
I do think the cars and drivers have gotten faster as well.The issue is not that one surface is faster than the other, but the compromises that you make to make the car go fast on gravel or dirt make it slower than it could be on pavement.

The Bigfella
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Though impossible to do, it would be an interesting comparison of how much the paving of the course has affected times. Ive heard it said that the gravel stages in the WRC can be faster that the Tarmac stages. It would seem the opposite would be true, but then again the drivers do some amazing things with limited traction.
I do think the cars and drivers have gotten faster as well.


I was going to say that I don't think the drivers have gotten faster.... but maybe they have... honing skills more effectively.

I'm another who is sad to see the gravel gone. Gravel is a bit like racing in the wet... it brings out the drivers with better car control skills.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
07-01-2013, 09:47 AM
I'd like to have seen Loeb on gravel.

Garret
07-01-2013, 10:06 AM
Paul - still gonna make fun of Peugeots?

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
07-01-2013, 10:24 AM
On any surface.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBITgght8uo

Hunky Dory
07-01-2013, 12:10 PM
As well as paving the whole route having computer engine management is a big factor. You couldn't set up fuel ratios for the altitude changes without compromise and they used to lose a lot more power towards the top.

Paul Pless
07-01-2013, 12:47 PM
and they used to lose a lot more power towards the top.Loeb's Peugeot was set up to produce so much power at higher altitude (through use of a turbocharger) that there was a worry over blowing the engine at low altitude, so even with electronic engine management in use, Loeb still short shifted the engine until reaching the tree line to prevent building too much boost.