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Paul Pless
05-24-2013, 10:41 AM
figured the lefties would be all over bashing texas about right now. . .

Ian McColgin
05-24-2013, 10:49 AM
For what? Perry's desire to keep Scouting homophobic? His promice to sign the "Merry Christmas Bill"? His anti-black redistricting plans?

Reasons for being mad at Perry make such a target rich environment . . . and really who cares? It's Texas.

Duncan Gibbs
05-24-2013, 10:58 AM
. . . and really who cares? It's Texas.

Forget the Alamo?

On that note I really have to go the sleep!

Ian McColgin
05-24-2013, 11:04 AM
Ah the Alamo. A triumph of drunken folly and PR spin over military sense. The good thing is that it killed off some of the revolution's more destructive potential leaders.

bogdog
05-24-2013, 11:14 AM
I want to know what Rick Perry is going to do about water in Travis county! He's going to give it away to all them rice farmers down stream who couldn't grow weeds without federal subsidies, what's the deal with that?

bogdog
05-24-2013, 11:18 AM
Ah the Alamo. A triumph of drunken folly and PR spin over military sense. The good thing is that it killed off some of the revolution's more destructive potential leaders.

That's not fair they was fighting for Freedom! Darn Mexicans was negatively impacting the plantation economy with their "liberation theology."

leikec
05-24-2013, 11:22 AM
Will anyone else rise to take the fly...stay tuned.

Jeff C

Waddie
05-24-2013, 12:29 PM
I'm all for gay rights I guess. After all, someone being gay affects me how? But why can't the Boy Scouts do what they want? And why would gays want to be a part of an organization that rejects them? Why not just start the "Gay Scouts" and prohibit straights from membership?

All in all, to quote the great Grouch Marx; " I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER."

And you can bash Perry all you want - Texas seems to be doing better than most of the Dem run states. Can't argue with success.

regards,
Waddie

Ian McColgin
05-24-2013, 12:41 PM
As all of us who are Eagle Scouts learned, BSA is a Title 36 federally chartered corportation. That signal and rare honor gives BSA special rights and also the responsibility to be better than the mere letter of the law. BSA had the obligation which it in some places met and in other places evaded to become racially integrated long long ago. Now that's law anyway. BSA has the moral obligation to end its sexual orientation now, even before federal law eventually requires it. Part of being Title 36.

If BSA wants to exclude gays, they should surrender the Title 36 first.

Waddie
05-24-2013, 12:45 PM
Does Title 36 specifically say they have to include gays? If so, then you are correct that they should surrender their Title 36 status and become independent of it if they wish to continue to exclude gays.

regards,
Waddie

Here's what Wiki says;

The organization's legal right to have these policies has been upheld repeatedly by both state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_court_%28United_States%29) and federal courts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_courts). In Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_v._Dale), the Supreme Court of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) has affirmed that as a private organization, the BSA can set its own membership standards. The BSA's policies have been legally challenged but have not been found to constitute illegal discrimination; as a private organization in the United States the BSA has the right to freedom of association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association),[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#cit e_note-3) as determined in the court case.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#cit e_note-dale-4) In recent years, the policy disputes have led to litigation over the terms under which the BSA can access governmental resources including public lands.
The policies of the BSA are more restrictive than other Scouting organizations throughout the world and other youth organizations within the United States. The policies have led to various disputes and controversies. In 2012, both President Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney) stated that they oppose the ban on gay Scouts.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#cit e_note-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#cit e_note-6)
On May 23, 2013, the BSA's National Council approved a resolution to remove the restriction denying membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation alone effective January 1, 2014. The ban on openly gay adult scout leaders remains in effect.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#cit e_note-7)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies

bogdog
05-24-2013, 12:47 PM
And you can bash Perry all you want - Texas seems to be doing better than most of the Dem run states. Can't argue with success.

regards,
Waddie

Rick Perry is good at getting companies to relocate from other states, if ya like parasites he's your man.

Chip-skiff
05-24-2013, 01:32 PM
Gov. Perry refused to sign off on extended medical coverage under Medicaid, as provided in the Affordable Care Act. His reasons, as broadcast, were the usual mix of lies, distortions, and idiocies.

My opinion of Perry is low, and trending downward.

Paul Pless
05-24-2013, 02:04 PM
Gov. Perry refused to sign off on extended medical coverage under Medicaid, as provided in the Affordable Care Act. His reasons, as broadcast, were the usual mix of lies, distortions, and idiocies.

My opinion of Perry is low, and trending downward.

Bingo! I'm surprised it took this long to get here.

hokiefan
05-24-2013, 03:08 PM
I'm all for gay rights I guess. After all, someone being gay affects me how? But why can't the Boy Scouts do what they want? And why would gays want to be a part of an organization that rejects them? Why not just start the "Gay Scouts" and prohibit straights from membership?

All in all, to quote the great Grouch Marx; " I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER."

And you can bash Perry all you want - Texas seems to be doing better than most of the Dem run states. Can't argue with success.

regards,
Waddie

I don't know about the legalities, I'll leave Ian to argue that with you. But this Eagle Scout wants the Boy Scouts to include gay scouts and has written them telling them so. My troop had at least one gay scout that I know of, maybe more. He was as much of the group as any other kid. The Boy Scouts finally got some sense by officially letting in gay scouts.

Cheers,

Bobby

Waddie
05-24-2013, 04:52 PM
I don't know about the legalities, I'll leave Ian to argue that with you. But this Eagle Scout wants the Boy Scouts to include gay scouts and has written them telling them so. My troop had at least one gay scout that I know of, maybe more. He was as much of the group as any other kid. The Boy Scouts finally got some sense by officially letting in gay scouts.

Cheers,

Bobby

Do you think they should allow gay scout leaders?

regards,
Waddie

PS. I already think anywhere young boys hang out in large numbers - be it church, sports or Scouts - you're going to attract the adult male perverts, both gay and straight.

Waddie
05-24-2013, 04:55 PM
Rick Perry is good at getting companies to relocate from other states, if ya like parasites he's your man.

Hey, I'm no big fan of Perry, but he's just doing what every other gov is doing in trying to get companies to relocate. The only difference is some gov's are trying to push them out, while others can't wait to help them set up in their state.....

regards,
Waddie

hokiefan
05-24-2013, 05:09 PM
Do you think they should allow gay scout leaders?

regards,
Waddie

PS. I already think anywhere young boys hang out in large numbers - be it church, sports or Scouts - you're going to attract the adult male perverts, both gay and straight.

Based on the gay men I've met I would have no problem with it. My troop had one bizarre assistant scoutmaster. I don't believe he was gay, but he was one messed up individual, a power-tripper. He was asked to leave in short order.

Cheers,

Bobby

Ian McColgin
05-24-2013, 06:15 PM
On the narrow legality, it may be a while yet before excluding gays from BSA becomes as illegal is it currently would be to exclude Baptists or blacks or Roman Catholics or Jews or Ba'hai or chicanos or Muslims or Cubans . . . . But that does not make it right, and it really falls far short of the special honor of BSA's federal charter.

Hwyl
05-24-2013, 06:41 PM
Whoops wrong Perry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atxUuldUcfI

Waddie
05-24-2013, 06:44 PM
On the narrow legality, it may be a while yet before excluding gays from BSA becomes as illegal is it currently would be to exclude Baptists or blacks or Roman Catholics or Jews or Ba'hai or chicanos or Muslims or Cubans . . . . But that does not make it right, and it really falls far short of the special honor of BSA's federal charter.

I believe you must of done some community organizing..... :) you realize that it takes time for people to come around on most issues, such as drunk driving, smoking, or even gay rights. But eventually they do, even if it takes a generation or two. Eventually our demographics will resemble South America, with its diversity, and changes will slowly follow that progression.

regards,
Waddie

Ian McColgin
05-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Of course it takes time. Time filled with pressure for change.

Chip-skiff
05-24-2013, 07:53 PM
Bingo! I'm surprised it took this long to get here.

You started it and I guessed your riddle. Wanker.

Gerarddm
05-24-2013, 08:46 PM
Rick Perry got piled on hisself by hisself during the primaries. No further pile-on needed, because he's yet to get off the floor.

Why waste rhetorical ammo on him?