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Paul Pless
04-27-2013, 10:05 AM
The open top four by four. The only thing that is still sold in the states of this class is the Jeep Wrangler.

My favourite of these, although I've never owned one was the original Ford Bronco. If I had my choice I'd opt for the straight six and manual trans. When I was in college my neighbor had '74 model that was gorgeous, with less than 20,000 miles on it. He put it up for sale but refused to sell it to me. At the time I owned a CJ-5 with a monster lift and 44" tires. I think he was afraid that I was gonna cut it up. . .

http://offroadaction.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Ranch-side.jpg

Hwyl
04-27-2013, 10:11 AM
There was a guy in the local Land Rover club who had a Bronco with a LR body, it made the Landies look foolish. Long time ago now though. As you can imagine there was a lot of controversy.

ccmanuals
04-27-2013, 02:50 PM
I had an 80 Ford Bronco. Loved it. The thing looked exactly like this stock photo. Green two tone.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/1980-1989-ford-trucks-23.jpg

Joe (SoCal)
04-27-2013, 02:57 PM
Had one of these 1976 cj5

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/new%20album/77a2180e32de44288e49de9585efb0da_zps6d65e91e.jpg

Rum_Pirate
04-27-2013, 03:04 PM
I used to have a 1962 Series IIA Land Rover with a 2.25 litre engine, which was real fun.

Mine had black vinyl (not naugahyde) seats which was not a good choice given the strength of the sun out here.

Almost third degree burns at midday.

http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1962_Land_Rover_Series_IIa_Pickup_For_Sale_Front_T hree_Quarter_View_resize.jpg
Pic of another one

skuthorp
04-27-2013, 04:10 PM
I had an open series 1 Landy, 1952 I think. The 80 inch chassis, with canvas seats, and at one stage a MGTC of about the same vintage. Five day a year cars, otherwise too wet, dusty, hot, cold, etc. I put a locally made hard top on the Land Rover eventually.

But now there's this.
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?162472-Bell-Aurens-Longnose-Landrover-popular

The Bigfella
04-27-2013, 05:10 PM
I have a couple of dozen open series vehicles. Love em, although one bit me in unusual circumstances recently

Ian McColgin
04-27-2013, 05:26 PM
I was down at the Ocean Street Dock and about 1400 got inspired to get the top down - Got Li'l Red in December so this is my first. In a most unmanly way, for an American man, I read the directions but a problem with the rear window zipper led me to an even less manly moment as I drove over to the dealer. He showed me where the directions were wrong and the whole bit is really easy, once we found a couple of parts cunningly hidden in the well in the rear. I've not had a rag top in 45 years so this is glorious. I even volunteered to take MaryEllen shopping just for the excuse to drive around.

wardd
04-27-2013, 05:50 PM
http://showcase.netins.net/web/iamvpa/mym37Waukee07.JPG

StevenBauer
04-27-2013, 08:35 PM
I used to have a '73 Chevy Blazer as a work truck. The pre '75 Blazers didn't have the metal top over the front seat area, the fiberglass cap went all the way up to the windshield. The first thing I did was take off the fiberglass cap and cup it up with a sawzall and put it in the dumpster. I got a soft top for it instead. It was awesome with the sides rolled up but having the sun protection of the canvass top. We used to use it for camping, too, I'm pretty sure our eldest was conceived it it. ;)

Rich Jones
04-27-2013, 09:32 PM
I love my 2010 Wrangler. It's got a hardtop with removeable roof panels over the seats. Easy on/easy off gives you the feeling of no top. One of these days, I'll take off the whole top, the doors and fold down the windshield and live on the wild side.

Rum_Pirate
04-27-2013, 11:53 PM
I have this 998cc at present

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/Rum_Pirate/Moke.jpg

skuthorp
04-27-2013, 11:58 PM
Friend has one of those Mokes Rum Pirate, it lives in the luggage compartment of their home-away-from-home camper bus. Just squeezes in with the screen folded flat.

Jim Bow
04-28-2013, 12:19 AM
Here's my current ride, 1947 CJ2A. Waiting for some more sun!http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/Jaesbow/IMAG0812_zps9f139d91.jpg

Rum_Pirate
04-28-2013, 12:24 AM
Friend has one of those Mokes Rum Pirate, it lives in the luggage compartment of their home-away-from-home camper bus. Just squeezes in with the screen folded flat.

Would you be kind enough to post a pic here or PM me with it?

doorstop
04-28-2013, 03:17 AM
No good at the pic posting thing but I had a 74 Nissan Patrol soft top bought new. Great vehicle in its' day, took me and mine all obver the North West through some amazing desert country, along many miles of unvisited beaches and never ever let us down. Unfortunately the body was 1 thou thick, the chassis came pre rusted I think and it had seats made of iron ore.....
Loved it

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
04-28-2013, 03:48 AM
The original Bronco was a nice size, the original Blazer was too wide. The original Bronco also had a decent suspension, I think perhaps coils all around instead of leaf springs, but I could be wrong. One features prominently in the movie The Eiger Sanction.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
04-28-2013, 03:57 AM
I used to have a 1962 Series IIA Land Rover with a 2.25 litre engine, which was real fun.

Mine had black vinyl (not naugahyde) seats which was not a good choice given the strength of the sun out here.

Almost third degree burns at midday.

http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1962_Land_Rover_Series_IIa_Pickup_For_Sale_Front_T hree_Quarter_View_resize.jpg
Pic of another one

Now that's a pretty truck. Some features I would like to see again are white top with a colored body (and love that color), rounded back corner windows, front vents. They make a dandy pickup conversion for a new Wrangler 4 door, but the conversion and vehicle together are about $80 grand. That, and a diesel powertrain with common rail pilot injection for quiet, and that's a nice small truck. Oh, and an aluminum body like a Rover to lower the CG and weight.

skuthorp
04-28-2013, 07:27 AM
Would you be kind enough to post a pic here or PM me with it?
They and the bus are somewhere in Nth West Australia at present and I do not have a contact. I know they took a while to find a bus with enough clearance, but they have ramps with built in jacks that fit under the Moke when it's stored. Run the Moke on the ramp, jack them up and the car just rolls inside. I don't recall if they carry a top with them.

But I did find this: http://hobohome.com/the_motorhome/moke_in_motorhome.php
Different set-up and storage area.

Flying Orca
04-28-2013, 08:35 AM
These things don't strike me as practical at all - most have no roll cage, which I suppose I could live with, but how do you keep the heat in or out, depending on the season? Or do you all live in places that don't have seasons like that?

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 08:41 AM
but how do you keep the heat in or out, depending on the season? they have removable hard and/or soft tops

Rum_Pirate
04-28-2013, 08:45 AM
Now that's a pretty truck. Some features I would like to see again are white top with a colored body (and love that color), rounded back corner windows, front vents. They make a dandy pickup conversion for a new Wrangler 4 door, but the conversion and vehicle together are about $80 grand. That, and a diesel powertrain with common rail pilot injection for quiet, and that's a nice small truck. Oh, and an aluminum body like a Rover to lower the CG and weight.


The land rover cab can be easily (some bolts) removed and the windscreen folds down.

Rum_Pirate
04-28-2013, 08:46 AM
These things don't strike me as practical at all - most have no roll cage, which I suppose I could live with, but how do you keep the heat in or out, depending on the season? Or do you all live in places that don't have seasons like that? Well, can't say for everyone but I do.

Flying Orca
04-28-2013, 08:47 AM
they have removable hard and/or soft tops

Never used a soft top at -30 but I don't think I'd like it and I'd be surprised if they hold up for long. At +35 they might work slightly better.

I could see a removable hard top though - might even take it off once or twice a year. Where does it stow? How hard is it to put on when you park?

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 08:47 AM
The first thing I did was take off the fiberglass cap and cup it up with a sawzall and put it in the dumpster. I got a soft top for it instead. It was awesome with the sides rolled up but having the sun protection of the canvass top. Sounds like the best Maine vehicle ever!:d

Breakaway
04-28-2013, 08:55 AM
I had a Bronco. That truck rocked.


Kevin

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ccmanuals
04-28-2013, 09:14 AM
I have this 998cc at present

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/Rum_Pirate/Moke.jpg

Looks like the perfect vehicle for living in the islands. Who is the manufacturer?

skuthorp
04-28-2013, 09:22 AM
Originally BMC I think, it's a Mini derivative but I think I read somewhere that they are being made in Sth or Central America still.

Flying Orca
04-28-2013, 09:35 AM
Well, can't say for everyone but I do.

I haven't been anywhere in the Caribbean that didn't get hot enough to need AC, and I've only been there in the winter!

carioca1232001
04-28-2013, 09:41 AM
Originally BMC I think, it's a Mini derivative but I think I read somewhere that they are being made in Sth or Central America still.

Yes BMC and they were known as Mini-Mokes then (60īs and 70īs). Seen a couple on the roads in Rio that look too 'brand new' to be renovated vintage BMC ones.

There is currently a Chinese knock-off in our market of the BMC Mini-Cooper that was relaunched by BMW a while ago. Supposedly no patent issue, as the original design patent reverts to the public domain after a couple of decades.

carioca1232001
04-28-2013, 09:48 AM
Here's my current ride, 1947 CJ2A. Waiting for some more sun!http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/Jaesbow/IMAG0812_zps9f139d91.jpg

I have a 1963 CJ-6 (101" wheelbase) that has turned heads in the past. Havenīt put it on the road for some time as it requires some attention and am too busy at the moment finishing-off my 32 foot motor-cruiser !

An issue that has given me the shakes is that on these older CJīs the rear-axle is not fully-floating so should you break a rear wheel drive-shaft, the whole wheel assembly drops off .........a life-threatening accident waiting to happen.

coelacanth2
04-28-2013, 09:48 AM
I used to have a 1962 Series IIA Land Rover with a 2.25 litre engine, which was real fun.

Mine had black vinyl (not naugahyde) seats which was not a good choice given the strength of the sun out here.

Almost third degree burns at midday.

http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1962_Land_Rover_Series_IIa_Pickup_For_Sale_Front_T hree_Quarter_View_resize.jpg
Pic of another onethats why you grease up with suntan oil - so's you don't stick to the seat. I had a '66 dodge with the dark blue vinyl, I can sympathize.

davebrown
04-28-2013, 10:15 AM
That first Bronco is the epitome of the design. All function and virtually no ornamentation. I am occasionally tempted to buy a wrangler and then I do something dumb like read COnsumer REports and they describe it is underpowered, cramped, unreliable, bad handling, poor amenities, noisy, vague steering and terrible fuel economy. Can they be that bad? Their resale value is shockingly high. I have a BMW convertible sitting in my driveway right now that has been, at 115k, one of the most fragile and delicate cars I have ever owned. I would like to replace it with a wrangler. Only one with a reverse, which the BMW has not had for 8k now.

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 10:27 AM
There was a guy in the local Land Rover club who had a Bronco with a LR body, it made the Landies look foolish. Long time ago now though. As you can imagine there was a lot of controversy.upon doing a little googling, Land Rovers with Ford mechanicals tends to be a popular conversion. Ford power steering is also popular.

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 10:38 AM
In 1963 Ford returned to active participation in motorsports - factory backed efforts, racing parts available to teams and to the public from selected Ford dealerships. One of their biggest successes initially was with the original ford Bronco. Ford hired famed stock car team Holman Moody to build the Broncos and offroad team Stroppe to campaign them. They went on to dominate the Mint 400, Baja 500, and the Baja 1000 for the next decade. Parnelli Jones got his offroad start in Bronco's - first driving for Stroppe then on his own.

http://broncograveyard.com/gallery/d/14358-3/Stroppe0070.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u293/EGud/other%20race%20broncos/BigHossCover.jpg

Durnik
04-28-2013, 11:58 AM
Never used a soft top at -30 but I don't think I'd like it and I'd be surprised if they hold up for long. At +35 they might work slightly better.

I could see a removable hard top though - might even take it off once or twice a year. Where does it stow? How hard is it to put on when you park?

from here (http://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/mission-accomplished-7/), this -

http://snarkypenguin.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ceilingtop.jpg?

A brother did something similar, but I've no pics of his setup.


Years ago, I enjoyed one of these -

http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/09/1968JeepsterCommando_01_700.jpg

mine was never so pretty.. had no roll bar & this was in the days of H78-15's - but the color is right! ;-)

I've long lusted after one of these -

http://www.4-the-love-of-jeeps.com/images/1963jeepcj6small.jpg

longer wheelbase than the CJ7..

I've driven 5's & 7's.. 5's take a bit of attention at highway speeds - but can be real nice in tight quarters - think, north Maine woods.. ;-)

Back to the OP - that original Bronco was sweet - as somebody else observed, it was a great example of form following function. Simple, utilitarian, beautiful.. Some years ago over Carthage way, there was a fellow with a beautifully maintained/restored Cherry Red/White Top '67' IIRC.. Sweet. At the time, I was driving a rather well worn Toyota Hilux.. Man, did I lust.. ;-) Realistically, tho - it couldn't haul the tools I need at various jobs. Ah, well, my current L/C (non-removable top) works, literally.

Speaking of power steering mods.. Saginaw pumps & FJ60 box/column are popular mods on FJ40's - the other cool hard/soft top 4x4..

http://maydaygarage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tumblr_lmtx6ajFEB1qchujxo1_1280.jpeg

another 'long lusted for' vehicle.. ;-)

enjoy
bobby

Hwyl
04-28-2013, 12:43 PM
I had one of these, but I'd rather forget the experience. The previous owner had used it for illegal salmon netting, there were some "rust issues"

http://www.offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/Austin/Austin%20Gypsy.jpg

Hwyl
04-28-2013, 12:45 PM
upon doing a little googling, Land Rovers with Ford mechanicals tends to be a popular conversion. Ford power steering is also popular.
Not to mention coil springs. Don't even start talking about the air suspension on Range Rovers.

Canoeyawl
04-28-2013, 12:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NT_FIbRvi3M

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 12:58 PM
Two things hit me immediately about that video Jake. Cowboy hats and street tread tires.

Canoeyawl
04-28-2013, 01:08 PM
It was marketing...
Cowboy hats are still pretty popular in some circles ;)

Flying Orca
04-28-2013, 02:01 PM
from here (http://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/mission-accomplished-7/), this

So you drive it around open and park it like that?! :eek:

You guys don't, er, live in neighbourhoods like mine, do you...

Durnik
04-28-2013, 02:11 PM
^ guess not - I've been known to leave the keys in the 'oyota - house ain't locked, either.. ;-)

The pic I posted was the hard top removal/storage method of a guy who switched to a rag top in the warm weather & back to the hard top in cold - & yes, people 'round here do park rag top & open top Jeeps in public.

enjoy
bobby

bogdog
04-28-2013, 02:38 PM
I used to drive IHs Travelalls and Scouts always painted a pale green. The Scouts had removable tops.

John Meachen
04-28-2013, 03:34 PM
I'm sitting about fifteen feet from one of these:
http://www.imcdb.org/i203220.jpg
Only two wheel drive and it needs finishing.I need to finish it or give it away to somebody who will finish it.I need less clutter.

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 04:45 PM
That was nice of them to widen the erosion gully like that eh? The whole thing could have been done in 30 seconds, and without damage. One thing I noticed on the Creb Track and other tight bits of Cape York was just how much damage the bad drivers do. I got my only injury of my trip in a hole dug by some wheelspinning goose.

alvin greenwood
04-28-2013, 04:58 PM
i had a 71 blazer, a 67 jeep commando, a 74 scout, a 94 jeep wrangler by far the mostest fun i ever had was with this.http://www.productioncars.com/send_file.php/ad_suzuki_samurai_red_1987.jpg

purri
04-28-2013, 06:12 PM
I have the VW version, a Country Buggy (Oz designed and made). 10 inches clearance, locking diff etc. Later mfg in the Phillipines as the Sakbayan.
I have this 998cc at present

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/Rum_Pirate/Moke.jpg

Canoeyawl
04-28-2013, 06:56 PM
My Volkswagon beetle would go anywhere those blazers went, much to their chagrin.
( Back in the days of old skid trails in these mountains it would also go where most of the dirt bikes went. Most of them are now paved and developed with homes. Neil Young's place being one of the more prominent. The Silicon Valley population explosion was not kind to these mountains).

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 07:01 PM
I had a friend that had a fenderless beetle with buckshots on the back and dune tires on the front, it was a 'point and shoot' vehicle. Meaning you needed to have it aimed the right direction before getting on the throttle and pulling the front wheels off the ground. Lotsa fun in the mud though. . .

Donn
04-28-2013, 07:07 PM
I had one of these for several years:

http://rudys-cjs.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/101_0256.160155017_std.jpg

Tan CJ-7 without the Laredo decal. It came as a rag-top, and had the quadra-trak/automatic trannie. Tons-o-fun, but a real kidney-buster for long trips.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-28-2013, 07:12 PM
I had a YJ for a few years, soft top hard top standard. It was somewhat fun, but a crude vehicle with a terrible ride, and lousy handling. Funny how people will still buy cars that are fifty years old in terms of technology.

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 07:38 PM
I had a YJ for a few years, soft top hard top standard. It was somewhat fun, but a crude vehicle with a terrible ride, and lousy handling. Funny how people will still buy cars that are fifty years old in terms of technology.

Gets worse in the motorbike area.

Harleys

Chip-skiff
04-28-2013, 07:52 PM
The Wolf Goddess still has her 1972 International Scout II, which she drove to Alaska and back, twice. We spent a bundle on it last year, but she doesn't drive it. It's like driving a boxcar.

The problem with these short wheelbase high-center vehicles is that they were designed for low speeds on bad roads, and are dangerous at present US highway speeds.
Our renter had a Jeep Wrangler and flipped it on an icy road, with injuries that haven't healed.

Rum_Pirate
04-28-2013, 08:01 PM
The Wolf Goddess still has her 1972 International Scout II, which she drove to Alaska and back, twice. We spent a bundle on it last year, but she doesn't drive it. It's like driving a boxcar.

The problem with these short wheelbase high-center vehicles is that they were designed for low speeds on bad roads, and are dangerous at present US highway speeds.
Our renter had a Jeep Wrangler and flipped it on an icy road, with injuries that haven't healed.


Similarly with the Suzuki Samurai

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2013/1/16/Famously-Unsafe-Suzuki-Samurai-7712551/

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 08:07 PM
IIRC David Gage was playing with a Landrover body on a Range Rover chassis. I just had a look, but can't find anything. Anyone know if he finished it?

StevenBauer
04-28-2013, 08:52 PM
How about a Volvo C303?

http://unimog.net/exchange/photos/130402-10.jpg

I love these things!

Canoeyawl
04-28-2013, 09:05 PM
Hard to find parts for those

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 09:05 PM
note the name on the door. . .

http://www.chevelle.fr/chevelle.fr/photo/Images_autos/Article_Anciens_Dragsters/Les_dragsters_en_Mode_Wheeling/024.jpg

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 09:08 PM
note the name on the door. . .

http://www.chevelle.fr/chevelle.fr/photo/Images_autos/Article_Anciens_Dragsters/Les_dragsters_en_Mode_Wheeling/024.jpg


Yeah, Bronco Buster. So?

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 09:11 PM
not that name

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 09:13 PM
not that name

Its the only one that's readable

Paul Pless
04-28-2013, 09:15 PM
Doug Nash, inventor and manufacturer of the Nash five speed racing transmission, the production Doug Nash Five Speed, the production Doug Nash 4+3 Speed, the production Doug Nash 6 Speed - all of which are still used in todays cars - except for that funky 4+3 overdrive unit. . .

The Bigfella
04-28-2013, 09:17 PM
It seems his products can stand the pain.

Jim Bow
04-28-2013, 10:04 PM
http://www.classiczcars.com/photopost/data/3259/DSC02539.jpg

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-28-2013, 10:10 PM
Gets worse in the motorbike area.

Harleys


Yep, and I've had one. I don't why they have rearview mirrors, after 45 mph the mirror shakes so bad you can't see out it. I had a buddy who has a collection of old Jap superbikes...CBX, Z1, H2, Sandcast 750.... he had never had a Harley and went out to buy one. After test driving a couple, he took the new Yamaha 1600 out (a couple of years back)...it was about 9000 dollars less, and twice the bike. nuff said.

purri
04-28-2013, 10:26 PM
My Country Buggy is similar except for a longer bonnet/hood, the engine of course being at the rear. (20:1 first gear, 75 litre tank etc).
How about a Volvo C303?

http://unimog.net/exchange/photos/130402-10.jpg

I love these things!

StevenBauer
04-29-2013, 12:43 AM
My Country Buggy is similar except for a longer bonnet/hood, the engine of course being at the rear. (20:1 first gear, 75 litre tank etc).

Do you have a camera?

purri
04-30-2013, 12:42 AM
^yeah I have images but need to sort out the save/posting process. BTW there are rudimentary images on the net but mine is a highly evolved example. (think of a kubel but without doors a la Jeep)

Mrleft8
04-30-2013, 11:07 AM
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo23/Mrleft8/jeep001_zps074e1805.jpg

StevenBauer
04-30-2013, 05:39 PM
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo23/Mrleft8/jeep001_zps074e1805.jpg

Great photo!

Hunky Dory
04-30-2013, 08:56 PM
I had a 49 cj2 years ago. They didn't have enough power to get stuck, lots of fun and would climb anything but a tree. In the 90's me and a buddy would cut the roof of a beater every summer and scrap them when the weather got cold. Then the great state of Ma. started cracking down on repair plate usage. My wife just bought a 2010 Mustang convert this week.

stromborg
04-30-2013, 09:11 PM
My Bronco looked like this for a while
http://stromborg.smugmug.com/Cars/Bronco/i-3Q9WLQk/0/XL/2007-05-08%20005-XL.jpg

More like this now, though I just replaced the soft top with an original hardtop

http://stromborg.smugmug.com/Boats/Deer-Isle-Koster/KDI/i-h68DpJL/0/XL/2012%2010%2029%20005-XL.jpg

Durnik
04-30-2013, 09:40 PM
^ nice boat!

Strange to see it here, tho.. ;-)

enjoy
bobby

Figment
05-01-2013, 12:23 PM
OUTSTANDING, stromborg!


My first car was dad's 82 blazer (the fullsize). I drove that thing HARD.