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Tommo
03-20-2013, 09:09 AM
A friend just told me that WB had done an article on pine tar that mentioned it'd been all but outlawed in the EU. Where can I find said article?

Breakaway
03-20-2013, 09:13 AM
Try the digital download section : http://www.woodenboatstore.com/category/digital_downloads

Kevin

TerryLL
03-20-2013, 10:04 AM
Culler, R.D. (Pete), author: "Ask the Pros: Pine Tar," 19:98

Finishes: linseed oil and pine tar/Gabe and Todd Ericksen, 211:70

Murphy, Matthew P., photographer: "Pine Tar and European Law," 197:33

Pine tar: commentary by David Stimson, sources, 123:90

Pine tar: commentary by Stan Reynolds, 197:33

Pine tar: comments/Wade Smith, 203:44

Pine tar: distillation process, 188:34

Pine tar: for blenkingseka sailing dinghy, 211:70

Pine tar: use, 19:98

Reynolds, Stan, author: "Pine Tar and European Law," 197:33

Stimson, David, author: "Where Has All the Pine Tar Gone?," 123:90

Thorne
03-20-2013, 02:15 PM
I believe it was re-instated in at least some EU countries but am not sure. Remember that at least in the States, there are several different compounds called "Pine Tar" -- some used in vet circles for horses' hooves, others purely for trad nautical functions. And no, I don't know what the specific difference is between various Pine Tar products...


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71DKdmf8X4L._SL1500_.jpg

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/i/pinetar-dark-lg.jpg

skaraborgcraft
03-20-2013, 03:41 PM
Pine tar,like real creasote has been all but banished. However, pine tar is still availiable in the Nordic countries on the strenghth of the historical building (church roofs) and boats (my vattern snipa) that still need to be treated with it. Luckily when this ban was proposed some years ago, Finland was in charge and due to their own use, has kept a small loophole open. I bought some this morning!

Mrleft8
03-20-2013, 03:59 PM
It was in the WB issue that featured the Tancook Whaler build on the cover.
There was a side bar article on making Pine Tar yourself using a tin can filled with pine off cuts and/or stumps I believe.

Sea Dreams
03-20-2013, 07:44 PM
Here's a Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv0JMKbFsrQ) on making pine tar using a camp fire and a paint can. Here's an article (http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-kaye-tar.htm) that was linked to on that video. It didn't look like it made very much but he got something from his trial.

Sea Dreams A.K.A. Brian

lagspiller
03-21-2013, 01:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWB-3qY9RkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I understand his excitement, although it is a bit odd seeing the making of pine tar & charcoal presented quite so 'wide-eyed' by an adult. The schoolkids in our 5th grade also were surprised that they both got charcoal and pine tar out of a pile of wood that is heated, but kept away from oxygen so it couldn't burn. It is one of the 'experiments' in the science book for that grade. We used a slightly different technique - more resembling the video over, but on a smaller scale. Our little fire, about the same size as the one in the american guy's video, resulted in about 2/3 of a tin of pine tar. The tar ran continually out of the kiln (the pile).
The video shows tar production of a size and form that was quite typical.

Duncan Gibbs
03-21-2013, 07:29 AM
And no, I don't know what the specific difference is between various Pine Tar products...

The veterinarian product with the horse on the side is generally made from coal, not pine, but uses a similar process to derive a mineral based equivalent of real, natural pine tar, which is the stuff in the lower can.

Here's a good photo essay (with Finish captions if anyone can translate them?). But I understand the cord wood packed into the inner tin is all either from roots or the base of the pine tree. As I understand it almost any pine tree will make good pine tar, but certain species make excellent tar. You can get various fractions from the burn from pine turpentine at the start to pine pitch at the end. The pine tar itself, which is black and runny, comes during the middle of the burn.

http://www.kotinet.com/jarmo.raudaskoski/tervanpoltto.htm

Another good article from the San Francisco Maritime Museum:

http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-kaye-tar.htm

I intend to have a shot at making some this winter.

Tommo
03-21-2013, 08:19 AM
I never realized the situation was so dire.
I bought a 40 pound (5-gal) bucket of it only a few years ago from a company called Natrochem. They're in Georgia. If anyone wants some, please call them up and get it. Its in everyone's best interest to keep guys like this in business.

wizbang 13
03-21-2013, 10:11 AM
do not use on horses intended for food

noddyone
03-21-2013, 12:23 PM
do not use on horses intended for food

Well, there's a scandal in Europe right now about beefburgers 'contaminated' with horsemeat. This could get sticky if tar is found in the burgers!

Gerarddm
03-21-2013, 01:10 PM
Yeh, caught that. A little warning you'd never see in the US.

dskira
01-17-2014, 06:15 PM
I never had any problem to get my pine tar from http://www.solventfreepaint.com/pine-tar.htm
They have the Swedish one.

Pat Lown
01-23-2014, 01:53 PM
Tommo--Did you find the information that you were after? As mentioned above, I believe that you are looking for "David Westergard and Pine Tar" which was a sidebar in Tom Gallant's article "Son of a Gun" in WB No. 188. Our index to all 236 (and counting!) issues of WB is online and able to be searched. http://www.woodenboat.com/search-back-issues-woodenboat-magazine In future, if you can't find what you are after, send me an email and I will try to help. wblibrary@woodenboat.com

breaker
01-27-2014, 01:29 AM
American Rope and Tar sell pine tar that i believe they source from Europe, they have an ad in WB.

Rum_Pirate
01-28-2014, 03:15 PM
A friend just told me that WB had done an article on pine tar that mentioned it'd been all but outlawed in the EU. Where can I find said article?



TARRING DOWN, SCRAPING SPARS, PAINTING SHIP, &c.Black down, and as soon as the blacking is dry, scrape and grease spars, and paint ship, in the order named. If intending to coal ship, do that first of all.
It is customary in some ships first to scrape masts, then tar down the rigging, and lastly paint; but the men are liable to daub the masts when tarring, down.

To prevent spotting the deck. Wet down and sprinkle liberally with sand. This prevents the grease or tar from striking in, and is better than keeping a couple of inches of water on deck by closing the scuppers, as the oily matter in that case floats to the water-ways and soils the paint work there.

Mixture for blacking down. By measure, two parts Stockholm tar, one part coal tar, one part tar oil. This is for rigging which has been neglected for some time. To give a light coat, thin the above with additional tar oil, to suit.

ron david
01-28-2014, 07:21 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?111828-Found-a-source-for-Genuine-Pine-Tar-products
ron