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StevenBauer
02-28-2013, 12:15 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/2013%20pics/2eb3d1a17cb70f21ce3046a9ee7fbfc0_zpsdc456938.jpg

Track T-800. Any others out there?

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
02-28-2013, 12:21 PM
Stupid trailie layout - but the rest makes sense.

http://www.dieselbike.net/T800CDI/T800CDI.html << ridden and reviewed.

boatbuddha
02-28-2013, 12:43 PM
Not a turbo but I believe the KLR650 is produced with a diesel for military use.

Paul Pless
02-28-2013, 12:48 PM
Turbo deiseldoes this count?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmgfF1zghg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
02-28-2013, 01:43 PM
As the review says, aimed squarely at the BMW owner... yes I like the idea but dump the trail styling please...

PeterSibley
02-28-2013, 03:55 PM
I'm quite happy with the trail styling as long as the suspension movement is commensurate.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
02-28-2013, 04:14 PM
That shaft angle bodes ill for the service life of the UJ.

Paul Pless
02-28-2013, 04:18 PM
yes I like the idea but dump the trail styling please...BMW seems to do pretty well with their trail styling.;)

Why does one of the best paved touring bikes in the world look like an offroad bike??? Why would anybody ever dream of taking this monster offroad??? What the hell are the brush guards really for - to mount accessories???

http://www.motorstown.com/images/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-05.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
02-28-2013, 04:24 PM
I had a friend who looked at a set of knobbies on the front end of a road bike and said:

Hmmm - click-stop cornering - nice.

PeterSibley
02-28-2013, 04:39 PM
Correct size for an off road bike...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/dr_drz/Miscellaneous/DR-Z250K7-E24.jpg

but for a dirt road bike the diesel is fine.

The Bigfella
02-28-2013, 06:49 PM
That diesel exhaust is going to cause some very expensive problems for whoever decides to use the bike as the styling suggests. Stall it in even the shallowest creek crossing and you've got an engine full of water.

The Bigfella
02-28-2013, 06:49 PM
Correct size for an off road bike...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/dr_drz/Miscellaneous/DR-Z250K7-E24.jpg

but for a dirt road bike the diesel is fine.

Perhaps, provided you've got friends along to help pull you up the steep bits

Lew Barrett
03-01-2013, 02:03 AM
BMW seems to do pretty well with their trail styling.;)

Why does one of the best paved touring bikes in the world look like an offroad bike??? Why would anybody ever dream of taking this monster offroad??? What the hell are the brush guards really for - to mount accessories???


The R1200GS dream for many:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0AI353wQMSA

Lew Barrett
03-01-2013, 02:03 AM
The R1200GS reality for most:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3Ir2NJh4A

Lew Barrett
03-01-2013, 02:06 AM
That Diesel bike isn't intended to be a trailie; it's a road bike.

The Kawasaki was intended for trail use though.

The Bigfella
03-01-2013, 02:43 AM
The R1200GS reality for most:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3Ir2NJh4A

That's just sad....

I look at those things with the massive panniers and just shakes me head....

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 03:00 AM
Perhaps, provided you've got friends along to help pull you up the steep bits

Some of us don't weigh as much, we don't need all that power . :d

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 03:02 AM
That Diesel bike isn't intended to be a trailie; it's a road bike.

The Kawasaki was intended for trail use though.

I think it was originally designed for NATO , the idea being one standard fuel for all vehicles, so a general use army bike ... whatever they get used for.

The Bigfella
03-01-2013, 04:06 AM
Some of us don't weigh as much, we don't need all that power . :d

Don't bet on it.

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 04:11 AM
I was having a few ales the other night with a few mates who ride dirt, the general consensus was that a smaller bike would be far better and easier to maintain on a long off road/poor road tour. Your opinion may differ.

Paul Pless
03-01-2013, 05:24 AM
Your opinion may differ.Ian does have the miles to back up his opinion.

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 05:37 AM
He does, but I done a lot of miles over the decades too, not in such exotic locations though.

I rider slower and prefer to small the daisies, I'm always stopping and looking around , a big fast bike would be wasted on me..... and Ian is a LOT bigger than me ! :d

The Bigfella
03-01-2013, 05:40 AM
A Suzuki DR250 is exactly the same weight as a KTM 525 EXC.

The critical maintenance items for a long tour are exactly the same... seals, bearings, sprockets, chain, rotors and pads.

Neither bike is going to be much fun on the open road. I have, but don't normally go over 95 kph on the highway - I did appreciate the extra grunt when some Cambodian Lexus SUV driver got all road ragey and was chasing me with flashing lights. I wouldn't have got away from him on a 250. Apparently blowing the horn and giving someone the middle finger is an insult, even if they've just cut you off as they pull onto the road. The guy I bought the bike off has witnessed two murders there, so I decided to cut and run.

Yeah, you ride what you've got - and I did about 3,500 km on a 110 Zinda in Vietnam. I've ridden (and blown up) a 250 Honda XL250R recently too.... they don't like 110kph. The brand new CR250F I hired for one dirt ride in Thailand just didn't have enough grunt. I got halfway up some hills the 525 wouldn't even hiccup on.... and then it was off and push with a couple of other guys.

Same weight... one third the power. Ugh

The Bigfella
03-01-2013, 05:43 AM
He does, but I done a lot of miles over the decades too, not in such exotic locations though.

I rider slower and prefer to small the daisies, I'm always stopping and looking around , a big fast bike would be wasted on me..... and Ian is a LOT bigger than me ! :d

Leave the poor daisies alone. They can be big if they want to. Just how do you small a daisy btw?

.... 95 on the open road... and I ride to (mostly) stay upright on the dirt. No need to go big with the bike... but powerful is a no-brainer for the rough stuff. A powerful bike that will tractor away just over idle as it slogs through the mud vs something that has to be flogged... and exposes you to dropping it as a result. No brainer for me. Go with the power.

Paul Pless
03-01-2013, 05:45 AM
Yeah, you ride what you've got - and I did about 3,500 km on a 110 Zinda in Vietnam.You have to admit, looking back, that was pretty ridiculous.:D

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 05:54 AM
When I go one ADV KTM the place is full of maintainence stories, some not good, some bragging their orange bike has even done 20,000 km. It's a bit of a worry , the Suzukis I've owned were very, very easy to live with .

But whatever you prefer.

The Bigfella
03-01-2013, 06:03 AM
The guy I rode with in Timor-Leste and Indonesia didn't get particularly upset when his DR650 got stolen... the gearbox was shot, he'd had a stator failure that caused him to miss the boat and numerous other problems - and it didn't have a lot of km on it. He's into doing special effects on major movies.... not into understanding what his bike was trying to tell him. A bit of mechanical understanding makes all the difference.

Ridiculous? Paul... how could you say that? I've been doing a full ride report on that for an Asian forum that some friends of mine run. Its fun looking back on it.

... and what's ridiculous about this? The young lady with the dreadlocks now has a daughter, btw.... named, Asia

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/igatenby/Vietnam%20and%20Cambodia/fiveminutes.jpg

PeterSibley
03-01-2013, 06:11 AM
The guy I rode with in Timor-Leste and Indonesia didn't get particularly upset when his DR650 got stolen... the gearbox was shot, he'd had a stator failure that caused him to miss the boat and numerous other problems - and it didn't have a lot of km on it. He's into doing special effects on major movies.... not into understanding what his bike was trying to tell him. A bit of mechanical understanding makes all the difference.




There's truth in that !