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PeterSibley
12-09-2012, 02:33 AM
http://www.garrettwade.com/product.asp?pn=87A01.04&green=983DAB94-BAA9-5B67-999C-7AD6DD67EA57

http://www.garrettwade.com/images/330/87A0104.jpg

They certainly look good, but I can't see much of the wick winder or whether the wick is flat or cylindrical.

Larks
12-09-2012, 04:57 AM
I have one that I've had it for about 30 years or more but never used it so I plan to put on the H28 Peter. I have seen a gimballed holder specifically for them for fitting them to a boat but had saved it to favourites on my old laptop so will have to look for it again, but they do exist.

http://www.welshminerslamps.com/info_lamp_instructions.shtml
Filling Instructions:Recommended Fuel: Kerosene Based, Refined, High Quality Lamp Oil

Unscrew bottom fuel vessel. Unscrew knurled ring surrounding burner. Lift out burner and fill vessel with fuel. Replace burner and screwed knurled ring. Light wick and adjust flame to approximately 1/8" by means of the Wick Pricker Pin. Screw fuel vessel to upper part of lamp and after allowing about one minute for the lamp to achieve air circulation, the flame can be raised to the required height. A flame height of 1/2" is recommended.

Larks
12-09-2012, 04:58 AM
that was easy:

http://static3.patentgenius.com/27815/47134/D272477-4.gif

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41aXH7dppbL._SS500_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Gold-Plated-Gimbaled-Nautical-Miners/dp/B0041STK1M

PeterSibley
12-09-2012, 05:28 AM
Is it big enough Greg ?

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-09-2012, 08:01 AM
These are generically "Davy Lamps" invented by the man who wouldn't eat gravy - not designed for illumination but rather to detect flammable gasses.

Larks
12-09-2012, 08:15 AM
Is it big enough Greg ?

Not alone I'd imagine, though it stands about 250mm tall. I plan to get two more traditional lamps as well that can stay with the boat if I sell it as I'd keep the miners lamp.

http://www.oillampman.com/sorensen/images/500201.jpg

Larks
12-09-2012, 09:13 AM
http://www.garrettwade.com/product.asp?pn=87A01.03&green=2F548BCC-9DAC-55E3-AF6A-660EB8D42A32

http://www.garrettwade.com/images/330/87A0103.jpg

M. J. Notigan
12-09-2012, 11:16 AM
After reading the post by Bob Cleek, I sent off for the GW catalog. Lots of great stuff in it, by the way! On the cover of the Nov 2012 catalog was the lantern and the wick was round, not flat like my similar Weems and Plath gimballed lanterns. Save for a different ID plate and the wick design (W&P is a flat wick), they appear identical. Except for price, where the GW lanterns beat the W&P. I found my mini-lanterns do not throw the kind of light you would want to have for reading, but as far as fumbling about, it is perfect. Very nice ambient lighting. Here in the US, I use lamp oil, which is parraffin. I believe there was a discussion recently about lamp oils and such not too long ago. Hope this is of help.
take care,
Mike

JoshuaIII
12-09-2012, 04:40 PM
http://www.garrettwade.com/product.asp?pn=87A01.04&green=983DAB94-BAA9-5B67-999C-7AD6DD67EA57

http://www.garrettwade.com/images/330/87A0104.jpg

They certainly look good, but I can't see much of the wick winder or whether the wick is flat or cylindrical.


I have one for almost 10 years, a real pain and nightmare for a boat (Sorry!!!)... Adjusting the wick is a real pain as no wheel to raise/lower easily and the filling hole is WAYYYYYY too small, you will have 3 times the amount of the tank on the floor when filling it...

Best oil lamp, from my own opinion, in term of pratical and easy to use are the DIETZ oil lamp. Great lamp!
The brass one will last you a long time, even if I use the regular one for years, they last about 4 to 5 years before needing a new painting.

http://lanternnet.mivamerchant.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WKL&Category_Code=DL

http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/76Brass_2_230x350.jpg

PeterSibley
12-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Thank you ! Just what I needed .... no winder ! Fail .

I have 4 round wick burner mechanisms stored away, perhaps I'll cast bases for them .

outofthenorm
12-09-2012, 04:59 PM
I had one and gave it away. Round wick about 1/4 inch diameter that is adjusted with a sort of "pricker" gizmo.. Fussy to light and very low illumination.

the_gr8t_waldo
12-09-2012, 05:13 PM
i have one and used it on my carol.. it'll work if all you want is a very romantic cabin light. but reading or working on navagation, you'll soon loose intrest in it. mine had a flat wick about1/2" wide and the "picker" wick adjuster. i never saw the need for the gimble..it worked just fine swinging from it's own hook i did use it a few times as an anchor light , just to be able to claim i was leagle

Larks
12-09-2012, 06:07 PM
I have one for almost 10 years, a real pain and nightmare for a boat (Sorry!!!)... Adjusting the wick is a real pain as no wheel to raise/lower easily and the filling hole is WAYYYYYY too small, you will have 3 times the amount of the tank on the floor when filling it...




Well that's good to know in advance. Mine might just have to stay in my study as a nice ornament.

The Bigfella
12-09-2012, 06:35 PM
Solar panels and LEDs have changed the lighting game. Yeah, a bit harsh - if done the wrong way, but there are ways and means of lighting. There's also some flouro technologies that are pretty good now.

Oh, btw... someone invented batteries too.

Larks
12-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Solar panels and LEDs have changed the lighting game. Yeah, a bit harsh - if done the wrong way, but there are ways and means of lighting. There's also some flouro technologies that are pretty good now.

Oh, btw... someone invented batteries too.

The idea, in my own case anyway - not sure about Peter's, is to have some oil lamps for ambient lighting. I had four oil lamps on "Pau Hana" and once the cooking was done there was no better place to be than that snug cabin out of the rain under the glow of those oil lamps.

The Bigfella
12-09-2012, 07:15 PM
The idea, in my own case anyway - not sure about Peter's, is to have some oil lamps for ambient lighting. I had four oil lamps on "Pau Hana" and once the cooking was done there was no better place to be than that snug cabin out of the rain under the glow of those oil lamps.

... and reading by the light of an LED torch :-)

PeterSibley
12-09-2012, 07:17 PM
Solar panels and LEDs have changed the lighting game. Yeah, a bit harsh - if done the wrong way, but there are ways and means of lighting. There's also some flouro technologies that are pretty good now.

Oh, btw... someone invented batteries too.

Yellow LEDs would solve the harshness for me, I just hate the normal LED white glare.

The Bigfella
12-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Use it behind a timber rail and reflect it off the timber and see what you need to do to get the ambience you want. I like the thought of quickly available differential light qualities though. Sometimes you need to be able to actually see things.

Worth trying in the shed. I bought a whole heap of different LEDs, CCF (is that the acronym... some sort of super dooper flouro) and so on... but they seem to have been scattered while I was away.

Incidentally, the 525 I rode in Laos/Cambodia has an LED headlight. Umm, to coin a phrase, it was ..... brilliant.

PeterSibley
12-09-2012, 08:13 PM
As a spot or headlight they're excellent but if anyone knows where to get the yellow type in a useful configuration ( they seem available as strips ) it would be worth a thread.

The Bigfella
12-09-2012, 08:24 PM
Like I said... behind a timber shade... reflected off a timber surface, you'll get a different effect.

Soundman67
12-17-2012, 05:34 PM
these things work really well as cabin lights.
have a 120v power supply but run off of 12v DC battery bank
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/illume-3-enviro-led-metal-puck-kit-satin-nickel/991665
They seem well enough made and give nice light. Not too blue and plenty bright enough for working. I put them on the ceiling above the galley work surface.

Dave Hadfield
12-18-2012, 04:39 AM
I also use a Dietz, an Air Pilot.

Big wick, bright light, cheap, although to read with it you need to hold the book close.

We also like to take the lantern out into the cockpit in the evenings. Very pleasant light for a social gathering.

We have 2 traditional gimballed oil lamps in the cabin. These are fine as ambient light, but not as good as the Air Pilot.

Dave

willmarsh3
12-21-2012, 02:17 PM
I have some of these on my boat for several years now.

http://www.ledlight.com/g4-ultra-bright-9-smt-led-light-12-volt-ac-dc.aspx

They work great and are almost indistinguishable from the halogen bulbs they replaced. I have no complaints about the color.

The extra bonus is that I don't have to worry about running the battery down when I keep these on.

As for the Davy Lamps there used to be an LED insert that would give off a dim ambience light like the flame. IIRC it was sold by Weems and Plath. I have on my list to either purchase one or build something like it.

Hwyl
12-21-2012, 03:21 PM
Solar panels and LEDs have changed the lighting game. Yeah, a bit harsh - if done the wrong way, but there are ways and means of lighting. There's also some flouro technologies that are pretty good now.

Oh, btw... someone invented batteries too.


What Ian said, use the oil lights for ambience and to generate a reason to clean the deckhead.

P.L.Lenihan
12-21-2012, 03:27 PM
Or hang them outdoors to attract the bugs and save on the interior mess,as per Gareth. Novelty items at best, is all they really are today considering the clean,safe, alternatives available.


Cheers!



Peter

Wooden Boat Fittings
12-21-2012, 05:16 PM
Novelty items they might be indeed. But for this old reactionary, three interior oil lamps were all I used to light Sanderling's interior, and all her navigation lights were oil-burners too. No solar panels, and the only battery that I kept aboard (grudgingly) was used to provide power for the ship-to-shore if I chose to turn it on.

Mike

P.L.Lenihan
12-21-2012, 05:27 PM
What I wrote may appear harsh but do not be fooled,Mike.I'm just a blatherskite with the "tough novelty talk" and really just a slut for these sort of things.I'd have a few on my boat if I could talk the Queen into going along with it too. She loves fire and romance almost as much as I!


Cheers!


Peter

Hwyl
12-21-2012, 05:49 PM
Ambience has it's place, but not when you are reduced to reading by head lamp, which is all too often the case.

PeterSibley
12-21-2012, 05:51 PM
What I wrote may appear harsh but do not be fooled,Mike.I'm just a blatherskite with the "tough novelty talk" and really just a slut for these sort of things.I'd have a few on my boat if I could talk the Queen into going along with it too. She loves fire and romance almost as much as I!


Cheers!


Peter

I can beat that Peter, I have 4 hollow wick burner mechanisms in store and will cast bases to suit for my own custom lamps, they should look just fine .

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-21-2012, 06:46 PM
The best general purpose paraffin (kero) lamp on the planet.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/vapaluxm320_002.jpg

Vapalux M320

PeterSibley
12-21-2012, 07:48 PM
For light quality certainly but the noise, that constant hissssssssssss, after 6 months I bought an Aladdin, less light but less noise.

potomac
12-22-2012, 07:38 AM
I have used the same Dietz lamps that JoshuaIII mentioned- in a small off-the-grid cabin, not a boat. Inexpensive, different sizes, and colors, quite charming. The only negative I found was the scent when burning, which I found to be quite... pronounced, if not unpleasant. Any suggestions for a cleaner burning oil? Robb White wrote a whole piece in Flotsam and Jetsam extolling the virtues of the Aladdin Genie II (the Genie III is the present model). Very beautiful but it looks a bit tippy. They are very pretty and can shed a fair bit of light. Not inexpensive.

Wooden Boat Fittings
12-22-2012, 08:21 AM
What I wrote may appear harsh but do not be fooled,Mike.....

No offence, Peter (I know you too well for that.) When I said I was an old reactionary, I meant it. :) I like the warmth, ambience -- even the smell -- but I'm the first to admit that oil lamps are not very efficient.

Mike

Canoeyawl
12-22-2012, 02:26 PM
The reading problem is readily solved with Electronic paper.
You can now read while basking in the ambiance of dim light, soot and noxious diesel fumes (always keeping a fire extinquisher close to hand).

Ann Noble's Dad
02-09-2013, 07:44 PM
I have smaller WP light and adjusting wick is best part. There is a rod you move from the outside while it's lit that runs thru a brass tube that grabs and moves wick.

Not a lot of light. There is a smell even with no-odor oil.