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Vince Brennan
10-20-2012, 07:42 PM
Oct 21 1805

We always remember Nelson, but nearly 4,000 died that day among the British, French and Spanish crews.

Fair winds to all who sailed in harms way and never returned.

Vince Brennan
10-21-2012, 09:11 PM

10-22-2012, 12:09 AM
"Never mind maneuvers, always go straight for 'em"

10-22-2012, 12:23 AM
I often wonder what kind of world it would be if Napoleon had won the war.

10-22-2012, 04:00 AM

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-22-2012, 04:29 AM
"Firstly you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own regarding their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil."

"When I am without orders and unexpected occurrences arrive I shall always act as I think the honour and glory of my King and Country demand. But in case signals can neither be seen or perfectly understood, no captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy."

The Bigfella
10-22-2012, 05:17 AM
Hmmm. I'm having dinner with a French woman tonight.

Should I mention Trafalgar?

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-22-2012, 05:30 AM
I don't think so.

We no longer expect French people returning home by train from London to leave from Waterloo station. (They now leave from a station named after a saint, Pancras, who probably never existed.)

The Bigfella
10-22-2012, 05:37 AM
OK, if I can't mention Trafalgar... what are the topics I can raise?

10-22-2012, 05:41 AM
It does bear remembering that the French had either executed or stood down their best and most experienced naval officers after the revolution. Also Villenueve had taken into consideration that Nelson would do something unconventional and correctly guessed his intention to sail at the allied fleet. Due to fatigue and the lack of experience of his officers he did nothing to counter that possibility.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-22-2012, 06:07 AM
OK, if I can't mention Trafalgar... what are the topics I can raise?

The recapture of Douaumont, on the 24th October 1916, by French Marines - the sucessful French counter-offensive in the Battle of Verdun.

10-22-2012, 06:15 AM
Bruni d'Entrecasteaux and Nickolas Baudin for a start, the Anglification of Aus's early exploration history has virtually ignored both.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Encastreaux.jpg/220px-Encastreaux.jpg

The Bigfella
10-22-2012, 06:33 AM
Hmmm... not sure battles will be popular... but I can pronounce Verdun... I think.

I might stick to motorbikes. I think we did Asian prostitution pretty well last time we dined.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-22-2012, 06:42 AM
Seriously for a moment - how much French aid is getting to Francophone SE Asia?

10-22-2012, 06:45 AM
Jeff's suggestion is the best so far.

The Bigfella
10-22-2012, 06:57 AM
Oops... gotta go, she's at the restaurant 35 minutes early... and soaked.

OK, French explorers in Oz.

ACB... plenty.... I'll tell you later.

10-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Don't know but the Francophone African nations get a lot of L.E.s from time to time
Seriously for a moment - how much French aid is getting to Francophone SE Asia?

The Bigfella
10-22-2012, 08:50 PM
Andrew, one of the things we talked about was the documentaries running non-stop this week... on multiple channels. All related to the death of the former King (current King's father). They show the Independence stuff from '53... marching the French out, the war with the Viet Minh in '54 and de Gaulle's visit in IIRC, '66. She commented about how beautiful Phnom Penh was for de Gaulle's visit... the lovely buildings, looking freshly painted, etc.. and then lamented their current condition... the ruins that many of the fine old colonial buildings have become.

In relation to aid, I've been invited out to visit a French NGO that is educating 2,500 kids (and young adults) and supporting their families. That NGO has 500+ staff.

First up though.... I've got to put the 4th set of wheel bearings into the bike. I've found a bike shop who understands the importance of manufacturing quality... he says he can source Japanese and French bearings. I think I prefer Japanese (I don't have a reverse gear on the bike)).

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-23-2012, 06:25 AM
Bob has been in touch with the Don Bosco Foundation, an organisation that he and I know and respect from their work in the Philippines:

Don Bosco Foundation of Cambodia (DBFC)

203, Chress village, Phnom Penh Thmey, Sensok, Phnom Penh


www.donboscokhmer.org (http://www.donboscokhmer.org/)

PO Box:
CCC Box:

017/090 354747/097 6070717

Education/Training (ET)

Banteay Meanchey, Battambang, Kampot, Phnom Penh, Sihanoukville

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-23-2012, 06:28 AM
Going back to the topic that started the thread, I find I am the guest of the First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope, aboard HMS VICTORY tonight.

Do I win? ;)

The Bigfella
10-23-2012, 06:38 AM
Only if you take home a decent souvenir.

I recall seeing the musket ball that killed Nelson, but didn't try and souvenir it.

The Bigfella
10-23-2012, 06:39 AM
Is Bob back here yet? I think its time I made tracks for Siem Reap. Probably head out in the morning.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-23-2012, 06:41 AM
No; he's still grounded waiting for a passport...

The Bigfella
10-23-2012, 07:00 AM
I'll try and catch up with him next trip if he's around. I'm riding with a very dodgy front sprocket... at this stage I'm planning on limiting mileage... just get it to where I can store it. Enjoy your voyage on the Victory tonight.

10-24-2012, 02:10 AM
O Andrew, you win big time. Did they serve you spotted dog and a drowned baby?

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-24-2012, 05:28 AM
They paraded the Baron of Beef - the Second Sea Lord gave a really remarkably erudite, informative and amusing speech, we toasted Her Majesty sitting down and The Immortal Memory of Nelson and Those Who Fell With Him silently.

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee352/acraigbennett/utf-8BSU1HMDA2NTMtMjAxMjEwMjMtMjMzNy5qcGc_zps90fcfb03. jpg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-24-2012, 05:41 AM
I learned from the Second Sea Lord#s speech that VICTORY served as the flagship of fourteen Admirals including Keppel, at Ushant, Howe, at the relief of Gibraltar, and Jervis, at St Vincent. Whilst I knew that she was forty years old at Trafalgar, I had not known that she was, at 63,176..3s..0d one of the most expensive warships ever built.

The Bigfella
10-24-2012, 05:56 AM
(Great) Keppel (Island), (Lord) Howe (Island) and Jervis (Bay). Those lads are remembered in Oz.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-24-2012, 06:01 AM
VICTORY was named for the year in which she was laid down - 1759 - the Year of Victories.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-24-2012, 06:12 AM
I also learned that HMS CAROLINE now has a secure future, which is very good news. Not to be confused with the pirate radio station, she is a light cruiser and the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland... her survival has been down to her having been the RNR depot ship in Belfast since 1924...

She's going to be refitted to original appearance for the centenary.


10-24-2012, 06:49 AM
FWIW I'm distinctly underwhelmed by some of this cultural imperialism.

(Great) Keppel (Island), (Lord) Howe (Island) and Jervis (Bay). Those lads are remembered in Oz.

The Bigfella
10-24-2012, 06:52 AM
FWIW I'm distinctly underwhelmed by some of this cultural imperialism.


Guess what.... they couldn't give a rats.