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John Smith
10-15-2012, 08:09 AM
I used to be one who had not great party affiliation, and voted for individuals of either party if I thought one was simply a better man for the office.

The Republicans started their loss of my vote with Reagan. In his debates with Carter, his math didn't work. He promised to cut spending by 3% and taxes by 10% and balance the budget. He kind of promised a "free lunch". He won by a huge landslide and then governed by "sleight of mouth". He preaced a balanced budget amendment, but never submitted a balanced budget, which would have been perfectly legal.

Through the Office of Personnel Management he gave HMO's a huge boost, that we are still paying for. My Republicans friends and acquaintances didn't like deficit spending, but they ignored the fact he was borrowing money every year to create an illusion.

You cannot say deficit spending is bad and the Reagan years were good without being a hypocrite.

Then we get Clinton running and we start hearing all this garbage (as it turned out) about Whitewater et al. A great deal of time and money were wasted here. Then we had the Starr Report. I cannot think of a single Republican who did not tell us that they would not impeach Clinton if Starr's report only covered Monica. Well, that's all it covered, and they still impeached. I don't know how that makes all those Republicans anything but liars.

Before Clinton's term got to impeachment, we had the '93 budget that every Republican voted against and predicted it would destroy our economy: they were either all wrong or lying, or some of each.

Clinton won the budget battle, as Bob Novak lamented, even during the impeachment hearings. He passed on to G.W. a balanced budget.

G.W. and his Republicans in the congress immediately cut taxes and the surplus Clinton left shrank. Two tax cuts and we had a huge and growing defict and debt. Then he started two wars on borrowed money. Then we had the Medicare drug program on borrowed money.

While it is true that Clinton signed the bill that ended Glass/Steagull, it is also true that during Bush's presidency there were people raising red flags about the banking industry. Those flags, like the terrorist attack warnings, were ignored.

Now the Republicans want to pretend that G.W., because he's been out of office for almost 4 years has nothing to do with our current situation.

I cannot think of a single thing the Republicans have gotten right since Reagan took office. I've often challenged folks here to find something they got right since '92, and it seems no one can.

We will pick on a few things Obama might have gotten wrong, but they defend a party that's gotten nothing right for over 2 decades.

Waddie
10-15-2012, 08:49 AM
John Smith; I used to be one who had not great party affiliation, and voted for individuals of either party if I thought one was simply a better man for the office.

Sure you were..... when you were ten years old?

regards,
Waddie

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 09:12 AM
What a particularly meaningless thread coming from Mr.Smith. This topic could only be valid on this venue from someone like Cris Ross or John Teetsel.

Tom Montgomery
10-15-2012, 09:27 AM
Hmmm... so far no substantive responses. Just personal attacks.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Hmmm... so far no substantive responses. Just personal attacks.

Okay, how's this for substantive?

John, who was the last Republican presidential candidate that you voted for? the last Republican senatorial candidates? The last Republican congressional candidates?

In three plus years of posting to the bilge, I've never seen a single indication from john that he supports anything politically conservative. Without support the thread seems disingenuous at best. . .

mikefrommontana
10-15-2012, 10:00 AM
A pre-Reagan Republican may look an awful lot like a Democrat........

Just sayin'. Still, anything to refute the OP?

John Smith
10-15-2012, 10:15 AM
Sure you were..... when you were ten years old?

regards,
Waddie

I voted for Goldwater.

John Smith
10-15-2012, 10:20 AM
Okay, how's this for substantive?

John, who was the last Republican presidential candidate that you voted for? the last Republican senatorial candidates? The last Republican congressional candidates?

In three plus years of posting to the bilge, I've never seen a single indication from john that he supports anything politically conservative. Without support the thread seems disingenuous at best. . .

I haven't seen any signs of fiscal conservatism from the Republicans since pre-Reagan. He tripled our debt.

I have never been a social conservative.

Once we got into the Reagan years the great myths that told us the Republicans were better custodians of our money and our security simply began to break down. If the Democrats were the Party of tax and spend, the Republicans were the party of borrow and spend.

When I spoke out expressing concern about the rising debt I was told "Deficits don't matter". They stuck with that line until Obama came into the White House. I'm sure if Romney wins deficits will no longer matter and the debt will continue to go up, only faster.

Mrleft8
10-15-2012, 10:21 AM
Okay, how's this for substantive?

John, who was the last Republican presidential candidate that you voted for? the last Republican senatorial candidates? The last Republican congressional candidates?

In three plus years of posting to the bilge, I've never seen a single indication from john that he supports anything politically conservative. Without support the thread seems disingenuous at best. . .
There was that little bit in the OP about "The Republicans started their loss of my vote with Reagan..."
As much as some Republicans would like to erase the intermediate years of GHW and W Bush, they remain on the record. The last 3 years haven't produced many Republican candidates that pass the smell test for many of us.

John Smith
10-15-2012, 10:22 AM
Why has no one, other an a single Ron Paul reference, come up with anything the Republicans have gotten right since '92?

I have to assume that, like myself, you simply cannot think of a single matter of fact or prediction that they got right.

Seems strange then to continue to support the party.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 10:36 AM
So here's a guy (John Smith) who hasn't supported a Republican for president since 1964 and he's talking like the Republican Party lost him in 2004. . .

What I'd like to see from the liberal members of this forum is not the reason they hate Republicans; but sweet jesus, give me a reason to vote FOR Obama.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 10:38 AM
The last 3 years haven't produced many Republican candidates that pass the smell test for many of us.

Have you seen much support for any Republican from me in the last 5 to 10 years?

Boater14
10-15-2012, 10:46 AM
And here in new jersey we just saw the latest darling Christi trying to ram through tax cuts based on revenue projections and the NEW JERSEY RECOVERY MIRACLE that turned out to be pure fantasy. Luckily the fiscally conservative dems stood in the way. The OP is going to get beaten up but the unfortunate facts, unfunded wars, drug bennies and tax cuts tell the story. Americans are such hateful simpletons; given the facts here in new jersey the let Christie blame it all on teachers and trash men.

Concordia 33
10-15-2012, 10:56 AM
I used to be one who had not great party affiliation, and voted for individuals of either party if I thought one was simply a better man for the office.

The Republicans started their loss of my vote with Reagan. In his debates with Carter, his math didn't work. He promised to cut spending by 3% and taxes by 10% and balance the budget. He kind of promised a "free lunch". He won by a huge landslide and then governed by "sleight of mouth". He preaced a balanced budget amendment, but never submitted a balanced budget, which would have been perfectly legal.

Through the Office of Personnel Management he gave HMO's a huge boost, that we are still paying for. My Republicans friends and acquaintances didn't like deficit spending, but they ignored the fact he was borrowing money every year to create an illusion.

You cannot say deficit spending is bad and the Reagan years were good without being a hypocrite.

So then what of President Obama's statement as a Senator, that raising the deficit is unpatriotic, or his campaign promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?


Your problem is that you vote the party and not the person. You need to understand that most politicians are more interested in their election/re-election than they are about guiding our country.

Regarding your statement that:


You cannot say deficit spending is bad and the Reagan years were good without being a hypocrite.

I did not vote for Reagan, and I don't recall thinking that the "Reagan Years" we particularly bad or good except for his reduction of unemployment. I did not like that he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.

That said, I do maintain that deficit spending is bad regardless of the good or bad from the Reagan years - they are independent issues.

Mrleft8
10-15-2012, 11:22 AM
Have you seen much support for any Republican from me in the last 5 to 10 years?

I didn't ask you if you supported any one, republican, democrat, socialist, Maoist, or libertarian....
John Smith didn't ask you for a reason to vote one way or another. He was merely making a statement. He didn't ask for your approval, or your opinion.

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-15-2012, 12:07 PM
So here's a guy (John Smith) who hasn't supported a Republican for president since 1964 and he's talking like the Republican Party lost him in 2004. . .

What I'd like to see from the liberal members of this forum is not the reason they hate Republicans; but sweet jesus, give me a reason to vote FOR Obama.

As a citizen you should be interested in doing the best can for your country even if you are not overjoyed in doing it. There is a BIG philosophical cleavage in the upcoming election which you are dancing around by demanding the only rational choice be more hero than human. Your answer to the puzzle is in itself a puzzle. To throw your vote away on Jill Whatsername who may be a nice lady but has not shown any signs of being heroic.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 12:11 PM
Stein

John Smith
10-15-2012, 12:12 PM
So here's a guy (John Smith) who hasn't supported a Republican for president since 1964 and he's talking like the Republican Party lost him in 2004. . .

What I'd like to see from the liberal members of this forum is not the reason they hate Republicans; but sweet jesus, give me a reason to vote FOR Obama.

That's not at all what I said. You are putting words in my mouth. Guess that's easier for you to respond to. The Republican's began losing me in 1980.

I'll give you several reasons to vote for Obama. The economy was in total freefall when he took office and he stopped that freefall. GM is in business today because of his efforts. Bin Laden is dead and a treasure trove of data was obtained in that raid. The economy is improving: would be improving faster if the other party had given him some support. He has decided NOT to defend the DOMA and DADT ended during his watch.

I'm sure others will add to this and you'll ignore them, too.

Kevin T
10-15-2012, 12:13 PM
I voted for Goldwater.

Paul, were you even alive then, I mean, you know, when John voted for Goldwater?:d

Believe it or don't, despite what your momma might have told you, but the planet did manage to spin prior to your arrival.:d|:):rolleyes:

John Smith
10-15-2012, 12:19 PM
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So then what of President Obama's statement as a Senator, that raising the deficit is unpatriotic, or his campaign promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?


Your problem is that you vote the party and not the person. You need to understand that most politicians are more interested in their election/re-election than they are about guiding our country.

Regarding your statement that:



I did not vote for Reagan, and I don't recall thinking that the "Reagan Years" we particularly bad or good except for his reduction of unemployment. I did not like that he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.

That said, I do maintain that deficit spending is bad regardless of the good or bad from the Reagan years - they are independent issues.

Obama made the foolish mistake of thinking he'd get some support from the Republicans and the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule.

They would be independent issues if the Republicans haven't been saying, "Deficits don't matter." for all the years we had deficits during Republican administrations. They've mattered to me all along.

Clinton cut the deficit and passed on a surplus because he raised taxes, sans a single Republican vote. They were all busy telling me that tax increases would destroy the economy. They were wrong.

It was Obama's plan to end the Bush tax cuts. Congress (Republicans in it) have refused to let that happen.

Obama also took the two wars that were off budget and put them on budget making our debt look bigger while not actually adding anything to it.

We are undertaxed. the ONLY way to cut our deficit and begin paying down our debt is to raise taxes, and the Clinton rates won't do it: we're in a much deeper hole than he was in.

pipefitter
10-15-2012, 12:21 PM
Did anyone really have to read the content of the OP of this thread beyond the title to know the outcome?

Is any regular here in the bilge unaware of other regulars positions on these topics?

With as many words as there are in the English language, the redundancy is still inescapable.

LOL!

John Smith
10-15-2012, 12:27 PM
There might be some nuance here that your are missing.

When Obama objected to raising the debt ceiling, unemployment was relatively low, the housing market was still high and the economy was generally doing pretty well.

That would have been a good time to reduce the deficit. Instead, Bush used deficit spending to support enormous tax breaks.

Senator Obama was correct to point out that increased deficit spending was not a good policy at that time and for that reason.

Because of the economic crisis (which started before Obama was elected), we have had fewer options for how to proceed. Deficit spending has become less of a luxury and more an emergency action necessary to get us through the crisis.

We don't have "few" options. We have only one path that, IMO, works. We raise taxes to something more than Clinton's rates (this hole is deeper than his) and spend some of it paying down the debt and some modernizing our infrastructue (putting healthcare under that umbrella). This would move us in the right direction.

I'm open to other suggestions, but I don't see any other option that's valid. Even is Romney wins and cuts taxes and eliminates deductions so it's revenue neutral; then what's the gain? But we all know we can't make his math work

Kevin T
10-15-2012, 12:27 PM
Did anyone really have to read the content of the OP of this thread beyond the title to know the outcome?

Is any regular here in the bilge unaware of other regulars positions on these topics?

With as many words as there are in the English language, the redundancy is still inescapable.

LOL!

And yet you still manage to show up and comment on the relative positions of the various players. I really don't understand why people moan so much about what is or isn't written in the bilge. Is there something or someone forcing people to open threads and then respond to them?

I mean if someone has a gun to your head making you open bilge threads with negative titles in your view, why open it, or better yet if there is a person with a gun held to your head, tap out some code and will get the police to come and rescue you.:rolleyes:;) Maybe wait till the gunman takes a bathroom break.:rolleyes:

BrianW
10-15-2012, 12:31 PM
Obama made the foolish mistake of thinking he'd get some support from the Republicans and the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule.

Are we talking about the Obama tax cuts for the rich?

Circa Dec 2010?

John of Phoenix
10-15-2012, 12:36 PM
Paul Pless:
This topic could only be valid on this venue from someone like Cris Ross or John Teetsel. I'm flattered to be mentioned in such distinguished company but I'm not sure why Cris or I would make the subject more credible. Can you elaborate?

I know there are many who feel the republican party has changed so dramatically in the last several years that we're no longer capable of supporting it. I think you've included yourself in that group, correct?

leikec
10-15-2012, 01:01 PM
Stein

...is about as relative to this election as Pat Paulson.

Jeff C

Concordia 33
10-15-2012, 01:07 PM
Obama made the foolish mistake of thinking he'd get some support from the Republicans and the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule.

They would be independent issues if the Republicans haven't been saying, "Deficits don't matter." for all the years we had deficits during Republican administrations. They've mattered to me all along.

Clinton cut the deficit and passed on a surplus because he raised taxes, sans a single Republican vote. They were all busy telling me that tax increases would destroy the economy. They were wrong.

It was Obama's plan to end the Bush tax cuts. Congress (Republicans in it) have refused to let that happen.

Obama also took the two wars that were off budget and put them on budget making our debt look bigger while not actually adding anything to it.

We are undertaxed. the ONLY way to cut our deficit and begin paying down our debt is to raise taxes, and the Clinton rates won't do it: we're in a much deeper hole than he was in.

So then is President Obama a man of his word, or is he just another politician that says what people want to hear, but does was is expedient once elected?

BTW: he did sign the bill continuing the Bush Era tax cuts, if he thought they were truly wrong why didn't he veto them.

John Smith
10-15-2012, 01:31 PM
Are we talking about the Obama tax cuts for the rich?

Circa Dec 2010?

He had to compromise, and it was a compromise I wish he'd not made. Nobody's perfect: even presidents.

Had he not compromised, we'd have gone back the Clinton rates on everyone and, I think, we'd all be better off.

This thread isn't about Obama. It's straying (no surprise) as subject gets changed.

I hope every president makes more good decisions than bad decisions. I would like congresspersons to put their country first: not their party or their religion.

I have simply stated, for the record, that Republicans began leaving my views in 1980. They've gone further and further away from things I believe since then. They've gotten NOTHING RIGHT since '92. They were wrong on what Clinton tax rates would lead to. They were wrong on Whitewater, Fostergate, and travelgate. The all lied when they said they would not impeach Clinton if Starr's report limited itself to Monica.

They were wrong or lying about the WMD's. The most certainy lied, under oath, about warnings prior to 9/11. They were wrong about how long Iraq would take and the oil paying for it. They haven't been concerned about deficits until Obama took office.

There is zero evidence that either our money or our security is in better hands when Republicans are in charge. In fact, the evidence shows the opposite.

All presidents, except G.W., have made some decisions I agreed with and some I disagreed with. I disagreed with every decision G.W. made and I must not be alone, given his lack of presense at the Republican convention.

I'm upset that we are still in Afghanistan. I'm glad Bin Laden is dead. I'm glad GM is alive. I'm angry when my governor takes credit for jobs created in my state from stimulus money that he took while bad mouthing the stimulus bill. Kind of like Ryan did.

John Smith
10-15-2012, 01:34 PM
So then is President Obama a man of his word, or is he just another politician that says what people want to hear, but does was is expedient once elected?

BTW: he did sign the bill continuing the Bush Era tax cuts, if he thought they were truly wrong why didn't he veto them.

Thisis not a thread intended to defend Obama. It is clearly a thread to explain why I am not going to vote for any Republican for some time.

A man of his word tries to keep his promises. Sometimes it is not possible. He has tried to keep most of his promises. In some cases he failed.

But this has nothing to do with my view of Republicans who've gotten nothing right for quite some time.

If you wish to respond to the thread, please be so kind as to show me something the Republicans did get right this side of '92.

Boater14
10-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Know you don't want to hear it but....deficits don't metter......when there is a white guy in the whitehouse. Tea party deficit hawks were knitting, bowling, hunting, plowing until the black guy took over. Another inconvenient fact.

Kevin T
10-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Ah racism... the favorite whine of the liberal.

Served up at the perfect cellar temp by certain conservatives here in the bilge, and when we send it back to you because its gone "bottle bad" and well past it's sell date, you still try and claim it's our favorite whine, when it came out of the conservative cellar.

I'll have a beer if you don't mind, better yet, make it a stout from St. James Gate.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm flattered to be mentioned in such distinguished company but I'm not sure why Cris or I would make the subject more credible. Can you elaborate? Because the thread originator, to the best of my knowledge, has never spoken admirably of any conservative principle or politician, past or present. How did the Republicans lose John when they never had him. . .

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Stein

Thanks for the opening.
Do you think that Ms. Stein could save us from becoming a plutocracy? We may be close to that possibilty due to the choices we have in this election.

Concordia 33
10-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Thisis not a thread intended to defend Obama. It is clearly a thread to explain why I am not going to vote for any Republican for some time.

A man of his word tries to keep his promises. Sometimes it is not possible. He has tried to keep most of his promises. In some cases he failed.

But this has nothing to do with my view of Republicans who've gotten nothing right for quite some time.

If you wish to respond to the thread, please be so kind as to show me something the Republicans did get right this side of '92.

But if by way of explaining, you give examples of of the ways that words and actions contradict with politicians. And if you say you are no longer a Republican, then the presumptions (perhaps false) is that you now support the democrat. If so, how do you reconcile the ways that the Democrat (President Obama) contradicts his words?

I know you are not trying to defend the President, but but if you say you have left the Republican party, where have you gone?

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Thisis not a thread intended to defend Obama.no ****

John of Phoenix
10-15-2012, 02:26 PM
Because the thread originator, to the best of my knowledge, has never spoken admirably of any conservative principle or politician, past or present. How did the Republicans lose John when they never had him. . .Thanks for the response. I see your point.

Paul Pless
10-15-2012, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the response. I see your point.Now if BrianW or Milo were to start such a thread, wouldn't you stand up and take real notice.:d

leikec
10-15-2012, 02:49 PM
That's not at all what I said. You are putting words in my mouth. Guess that's easier for you to respond to. The Republican's began losing me in 1980.

I'll give you several reasons to vote for Obama. The economy was in total freefall when he took office and he stopped that freefall. GM is in business today because of his efforts. Bin Laden is dead and a treasure trove of data was obtained in that raid. The economy is improving: would be improving faster if the other party had given him some support. He has decided NOT to defend the DOMA and DADT ended during his watch.

I'm sure others will add to this and you'll ignore them, too.


Here you go, Paul...reasons to vote for the president. Now give us good reasons to vote for Jill Stein...

Jeff C

John of Phoenix
10-15-2012, 03:01 PM
Now if BrianW or Milo were to start such a thread, wouldn't you stand up and take real notice.:dStop, STOP! Yer killin' me here. :D

Chris Coose
10-15-2012, 05:03 PM
Nixon's secret bombing of Cambodia.
Reagan's complete disregard of the Boland Ammendment.
Dubbya tosses the UN investigators and invades Iraq on a pack of lies.
Romney promises to keep all options open on Iran. (classic war preparation).

Obama believes sanctions as a diplomatic tool are most effective.

Boater14
10-15-2012, 05:33 PM
If your under about 40 you might not get this. The republican party had left a lot of you but you just can't conceive of bolting. Reeps will vote for the devil. Dems are different, less loyal. Ever hear of a Clinton republican like a Reagan democrat? No way. I'll be damned if I'll vote for a guy who fights tooth and nail for mega millionaires.

John Smith
10-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Because the thread originator, to the best of my knowledge, has never spoken admirably of any conservative principle or politician, past or present. How did the Republicans lose John when they never had him. . .

Apparently you're calling me a liar. I am a fiscal conservative. Reagan was not, nor have any Republcians been since. Supply side trickle down didn't work and I didn't like it. I am consistant: I don't like debt no matter who runs it up.

I don't believe I've changed: the Republican Party has. They have gone increasingly in a direction directly opposing my beliefs. I don't think it's my business or your business why someone else has an abortion, takes birthcontrol, who who someone else chooses to marry.

Today some here will knitpick about a few promises Obama didn't/couldn't keep. I could knitpick about Bush promising to get Bin Laden no matter where he tried to hide, or how he promised to bring whomever leaked Valerie Plame's name to justice.

The Republicans haven't told us the truth for a long time, and nothing has turned out as they've predicted. This becomes obvious that you don't/can't disagree, as you've had plenty of opportunities to answer my challenge as to what they've gotten right since '92.

Unlike you, I don't trust people who develop a track record of always being wrong. And I'm not a hypocrite: I can't hate defict spending and worship a president who spent 8 years practicing it.

Anticipating your response that Obama is driving our debt up, let me ask you exactly what policies of Obama's have added exactly how much to our debt?

John Smith
10-15-2012, 06:48 PM
But if by way of explaining, you give examples of of the ways that words and actions contradict with politicians. And if you say you are no longer a Republican, then the presumptions (perhaps false) is that you now support the democrat. If so, how do you reconcile the ways that the Democrat (President Obama) contradicts his words?

I know you are not trying to defend the President, but but if you say you have left the Republican party, where have you gone?

I never said I was a Republican. I used to vote for the man regardless of party.

The Republicans have lied about everything and been wrong on ALL their predictions for quite a while.

wardd
10-15-2012, 06:54 PM
if you want, i'l return you to the republicans

John Smith
10-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Let me give a recent example. I was never a big supporter of the Affordable Care Act because, while it improved what we had, it remains employer based. That is something I've consistantly posted as, in my view, absolutely counterproductive to job creation.

That said, the Republicans told us it had death panels, which it didn't, got on the floor of the senate and said, complete with charts, that NO BENEFITS FELL INTO PLACE UNTIL 2014, WHICH WAS A TOTAL LIE. It is Republicans that continue to question the birth cerfiticate and tell people he's a Muslim. They couldn't tell the truth if their tongues were notorized.

It's amazingly noteworthy that, other than the one Ron Paul reference, that not a single conservative/Republican on this board has been able to point out a single thing the Republicans have presented as fact or predicted that they got right since '92.

Then we have today's Republicans who preach a smaller less intrusive government, but then pass laws that have the government forcing women to undergo and pay for pointless ultrasounds.

PeterSibley
10-15-2012, 07:05 PM
Now if BrianW or Milo were to start such a thread, wouldn't you stand up and take real notice.:d

Hell would freeze over first .... deficits don't matter.:d

Keith Wilson
10-15-2012, 07:23 PM
. . . but sweet jesus, give me a reason to vote FOR Obama.If Obama wins, the ACA will almost certainly be preserved, and 30-40 million people will have health insurance who wouldn't otherwise. The amount of unnecessary suffering this will prevent is incalculable.

If Obama wins, he will make moderate-left Supreme Court appointments. Roe v Wade will probably remain law. Citizens United may even be overturned.

If Obama wins, he will continue to conduct foreign policy based on reason and national interest, rather than testosterone, bullying, and bluster. You may not like everything he does, but he's very unlikely to invade any countries by mistake.

John of Phoenix
10-16-2012, 12:11 PM
^ +1. Thanks Keith.

leikec
10-16-2012, 12:59 PM
If Obama wins, the ACA will almost certainly be preserved, and 30-40 million people will have health insurance who wouldn't otherwise. The amount of unnecessary suffering this will prevent is incalculable.

If Obama wins, he will make moderate-left Supreme Court appointments. Roe v Wade will probably remain law. Citizens United may even be overturned.

If Obama wins, he will continue to conduct foreign policy based on reason and national interest, rather than testosterone, bullying, and bluster. You may not like everything he does, but he's very unlikely to invade any countries by mistake.


Apparently Paul wasn't serious when he asked the question, as he's been online since answers to his question have been posted. I think he's one of those "Don't blame me--I didn't vote for him..." voters.

Some would defend that as a noble sort of protest against the system, and perhaps at times when there is literally no difference between the candidates or parties it is, but in this election I see that attitude as an abdication of responsibility.

Jeff C