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Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 06:42 PM
Pure Ugly! WTH?

http://knstrct.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/art-of-kinetik-hedonist-yacht-21.jpg

seanz
10-14-2012, 06:44 PM
Should've built a schooner.

McMike
10-14-2012, 06:57 PM
I reserve my opinion for more pics but it looks fairly bad a553d if you ask me.

Michael Beckman
10-14-2012, 07:02 PM
I didn't know Rolls built jets. Sweet.

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:07 PM
Yup, sorry Paul. I'd drive that...:d

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 07:16 PM
Yup, sorry Paul. I'd drive that...:dit looks like a wooden transformer. . .

John of Phoenix
10-14-2012, 07:22 PM
Three 800 horse engines and a top speed of 42 kts? Yeah, a waste of mahogany.

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:26 PM
:rolleyes:

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:30 PM
it looks like a wooden transformer. . .

Yeah, so? You like NASCAR . . . You're not in a place to judge yo. :d

LeeG
10-14-2012, 07:32 PM
$3,000 of fuel to go 300nm? Ok

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 07:35 PM
Yeah, so? You like NASCAR . . . You're not in a place to judge yo. :dare you a jesse pinkman fan?:D

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:38 PM
Stick in the mud.

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:41 PM
are you a jesse pinkman fan?:D

Never watched Breaking Bad . . .

Phillip Allen
10-14-2012, 07:44 PM
ugly and tasteless... like the guy sitting on the golden throne with the big chested woman the other day

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 07:45 PM
Never watched Breaking Bad . . .Got Netflix? betcha you're hooked in one episode. . .

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:45 PM
Yeah, but if you get rid of the guy the big chested woman makes that throne look great. :D

McMike
10-14-2012, 07:49 PM
Got Netflix? betcha you're hooked in one episode. . .

No Netsfliks for me :( dish costs too much as it is.

David G
10-14-2012, 07:50 PM
Haaaayyyy-Zeusssss. Don't anybody tell ANYBODY... but I agree with Pless on this one. That's one ugly lump of conspicuous consumption. It's not even a case of spending the extra to achieve excellence. It's just spending.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-14-2012, 07:58 PM
I find most modern boat fairly fugly, but that one is right up there.

I would rather have THIS:

http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/uploads/38224jpg5.jpg

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 08:03 PM
That's a pretty boat Peter, and an interesting one too. Wouldn't expect a stepped hull on what is not a pure racer.

Ditchburn?

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-14-2012, 08:11 PM
or even this:


http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/uploads/5518030184(24).jpg

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-14-2012, 08:12 PM
That's a pretty boat Peter, and an interesting one too. Wouldn't expect a stepped hull on what is not a pure racer.

Ditchburn?

One of the first of the stepped hulls in production. A Ditchburn Viking, one of 18 I believe.... only about 9 left. This is Peter Breen's restoration, Mint Julep originally belonged to Lady Eaton of department store fame. 600K

McMike
10-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Elitists . . . :D

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-14-2012, 08:17 PM
I really like the big open Sea Skiff... it's a 30 footer, quite rare. 69K, and a ground up resto. Nice day boat.

Old Dryfoot
10-14-2012, 08:46 PM
Lots of go fast and expensive wood?... make mine one of these.

http://vandamboats.com/images/sized/images/boats/AlphaAction1-925x500.jpg

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 08:50 PM
Yeah, Van Dam is pretty awesome stuff. I really need to get up to their boat show someday its only a few hours from here. Maybe PMJ would be interested in joining me. . .

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Van Dam does very tasteful, albeit modern work. Really cool boats. Just once, it would be fun to pilot that thing around the Thousand Islands for the weekend. Famous for a weekend.

Yessiree, just me and Paul Pless and a 750k fast boat with that kind of unique bling to it. Up to noooo good at allll... :D

Keith Wilson
10-14-2012, 09:18 PM
The Van Dam is very nice, but whoever designed the one in the original post watched way too many Japanese giant robot movies as a kid.

David G
10-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Lots of go fast and expensive wood?... make mine one of these.

http://vandamboats.com/images/sized/images/boats/AlphaAction1-925x500.jpg

Agreed. While it's trippy-modern, it's also quite nice. Elegant, with nicely integrated details.

Paul Pless
10-14-2012, 09:25 PM
You guys know that Van Dam Alpha Z is a 100 mph boat?

Here's its outdrive and surface piercing prop and rudder.

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/attachments/tenders-dinghies/41741d1073673792-feature-alpha-z-ultimate-woody-alpha-z-proprudder-jpg

http://www.liquidgoldbaby.com/assets/images/Study_gallery_17f2a81e8c0276d5498ed34f3bb1dec9.jpg

David G
10-14-2012, 09:39 PM
I have nothing against modern, or hi-tech. I disdain gratuitious gilt, and pointless ugliness. That first boat looks like a design exercise from a young student at RISD or somesuch. In a just world... the professor would have critiqued it, and sent the student off to do some more work.

johnw
10-14-2012, 10:34 PM
That's a pretty boat Peter, and an interesting one too. Wouldn't expect a stepped hull on what is not a pure racer.

Ditchburn?

I've seen stepped hulls on commercial vessels. This is a mobile restaurant I photographed from my cousin's porch in Thon Buri:

http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/9i8pzzehq8j1wxo/images/2-b941ead1e3.jpg

The lower one isn't stepped, and I photographed it on the Choa Phraya. For some reason, when I copy one picture, I get the other.

Curtism
10-15-2012, 04:32 AM
The designer of the Alpha Z is Michael Peters (http://www.mpyd.net/index.asp) of Sarasota, Fl. For years he's been instrumental in promoting the retro/modern genre among modern boat manufactures and designed much of the (somewhat) current lineup for companies such as Chris Craft.

Among other projects, he drew up a concept 46' version (http://www.mpyd.net/portfolio/details.aspx?Project=4) of the Alpa Z with an enclosed cockpit, to be built from modern composites, for Ferrari in the mid 2000's, though I'm not sure that ever got much further than the drawing board unfortunately.

Around that era I had the pleasure of doing a scale concept model of one of his r/m designs that was used to pitch the concept to CC. (I'll see if I can find a pic later.) One day I was in his office ogling the large scale model he'd built of the Alpha Z from mahogany, trying to keep from drooling, when he told me he'd had the idea in his head for years, always with the thought that it would make a great looking scale model. Well, he was right about that.

(I'm fairly certain the second promotional photo in Pauls post #32 are of that model which was used in some of his brochures.)

David G
10-15-2012, 12:00 PM
He may well be a talented designer. That one's a clunker.

Wait - let me put it more genteely: I find this aesthetic on this particular boat to be undeveloped. Overly busy, and lacking coherence and integrity. Gaudy for the mere sake of gaudiness.

ahp
10-15-2012, 12:17 PM
This week's toy for one the 1%. One of the 99% might be lucky and be payed to wash it down.

ishmael
10-15-2012, 01:23 PM
Is the sea skiff a Chris or a Lyman? Both made similar boats about that size.

Growing up, my family had a 26' Chris. It was earlier than the one pictured and had no flair in the topsides forward. Wet as a bastard in a chop, but a pretty good boat otherwise. Old growth fir ply in the planking, over white oak frames, with Philipine mahogany trim stained that reddish brown to look like Honduran. It was my grandfather's last boat, and he special ordered a fixed canvas top over the cockpit. It was the power boat I learned to run a power boat on. Fond memories.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-15-2012, 07:59 PM
Sea Skiff was CC. They also owned Thompson for a time. The big Lymans were very similiar to the Sea Skiffs, or vice versa. Good coastal fishing boats, quite capable in fairly big water.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Oooh I like that Caribiana.

B_B
10-15-2012, 09:38 PM
We had a thread like this upstairs a while back - McMullen got himself some apoplectic just thinking of the 'wasted' wood and fuel consumption....this thread is dragging a bit, maybe someone should invite him down ;) :D

Curtism
10-16-2012, 05:52 AM
He may well be a talented designer. That one's a clunker.

Wait - let me put it more genteely: I find this aesthetic on this particular boat to be undeveloped. Overly busy, and lacking coherence and integrity. Gaudy for the mere sake of gaudiness.

David, if this is in response to my post, and in case there might be some confusion here, the designer I was refering to drew up the "trippy modern, elegant" boat Old Dryfoot posted in #27.

I completely agree with your assesment of the boat in Paul's OP.

Canoeyawl
10-16-2012, 11:21 AM
This week's toy for one the 1%. One of the 99% might be lucky and be payed to wash it down.

A good description of the "trickle down" concept

Peter Malcolm Jardine
10-16-2012, 05:21 PM
Me too. It needs to be wood, though. I love the panga design, but it should be wood.


Do you know the designer on that boat?