View Full Version : how fast were the studebaqkers in 63 compared to the best muscle cars of 69?

10-14-2012, 02:58 AM
here ya go
12.6 seconds at 112.6 MPH in the1/4 mile is fast even today. The 63 Lark was before the muscle car decade even started in 1964 1/2 to 1973.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL321FBAA3D99B2DA2&amp;feature=player_detai lpage&amp;v=i8xNZhIruM8

The pure stock PSMCD is very strict. Dealer options like my Hawk had for the second huffer and 4BBL, and the front disc brakes and high flow Avanti exhaust are not allowed which really penalizes AMC and Studebaker cars unfairly. Stude and AMC for financial reasons made as many of the limited sales performance and luxury options dealer installation as they could. I think dealer options that did not affect the factory warranty should be allowed.

So how fast is a 63 or 4 lark? Remember in 63 the top option V8 for the Tempest and Skylark was the little aluminum 215 cu in buick motor that went on to become the MGB GT V8.

2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.3

2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Coupe 0-60 mph 4.2 Quarter Mile 12.

Reasons to buy the Ford Mustang GT

Quite powerful

412 HP @ 6,500 RPM

Zippy 1/4 mile time

12.7 s @ 111 mph

Fast 0-60 time

4.4 seconds



7. 2011 BMW M3 | Price: $58,125 - $76,648 | 0-60 in 4.3 & 1/4 12.7

The car is no doubt quick, though: We recorded a 0-to-60 run of 4.0 seconds, and the GTS covers a quarter-mile in just 12.7 seconds. Those numbers rank comfortably below the times posted by the
Panamera 4S (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-porsche-panamera-4s-road-test-review)
—it sits below the GTS in the Panamera food chain—but aren’t as bonkers as those of the next-level-up
Panamera Turbo (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-porsche-panamera-turbo-road-test-review)
You might scoff at how similar the GTS is to the 4S, but what Porsche saved in development time, it passes on to the customer: At $110,875 to start, the GTS is thousands cheaper than a similarly optioned 4S. And a Panamera 4S is no bad thing to taste like.

big difference in 5 liter to 6.2 liter and then a Roots S/C with 9.0 psi and modern computer controlled fuel injection and water to air intercooler over a simple centrifugal s/c giving 5 psi into a carburetor and 50 years of engineering development of internal combustion engines.

The supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger) is a twin four-lobeRoots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_type_supercharger)-type unit displacing 1.9 L. It is Eaton's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Corporation)Twin Vortices Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVS_Supercharger) (TVS) generating a maximum boost of 9.0 psi (62.1 kPa). Intake air is cooled with a water-to-air intercooler built directly into the supercharger unit. The powerplant in the 2009 CTS-V is a supercharged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger)OHV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OHV) 6.2 L LSA V-8, based on the LS9 V-8 from the recently released Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C6_ZR1). It produces 556 hp (415 kW) and 551 lb·ft (747 N·m) of torque.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_CTS-V#cite_note-GMpress1-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_CTS-V#cite_note-5)Options include Polished wheels, sunroof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunroof), navigation system, and for the first time, Cadillac offers 14-way adjustable performance Recaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recaro) seats.
Official 0-60 mph time for the 2nd-generation CTS-V is 3.9 seconds, while the quarter mile is run at 12.0 seconds at 118 mph (190 km/h).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_CTS-V#cite_note-8) These numbers were duplicated by Road and Track magazine (0-60 in 3.9 seconds for the automatic and 4.1 seconds for the manual). Cadillac CTS-V´s top Speed is exactly 198 mph (319 KPH).

So the CTSV is a tad faster in sedan form. I would really like to own one of the CTSV wagons with a the six speed manual even though the auto is a tick faster. i like to shift and have the feel of tighter control even if an illusion.


10-14-2012, 05:15 AM
My favorite 1/4 mile time comparison was between the American Dodge Charger with the 440 V8 and the Australian Valiant Charger with the 265 Straight Six.....same time. Mid 13s I think.

10-14-2012, 06:42 AM

10-14-2012, 07:21 AM
Mate's father had a Studie Lark, great in a straight line, blamange on corners and it didn't like stopping more than once or twice every 10 minutes. Talk about brake fade.
Brickie I worked with had a Hawk, same problem. He ended up in a tree off a steep bend on a mountain road and had to be rescued.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
10-14-2012, 07:38 AM
I had a 1966 Olds Dynamic 88 that was pretty fast.
425 Super Rocket V-8.


10-14-2012, 07:45 AM

The only 8 I ever owned was one of these, 1929 Marmon. Not for long, a year or two and sold it to someone who could afford a proper restoration. I had a loan of a Ford V8 wagon for a while too at one stage, 452 cu I think. A real beast.

10-14-2012, 08:41 AM
There's a beautiful Studebaker Hawk on the side of Rt. 80 in between here and Essex, with a "for Sale" sign in the window.... Want me to stop by and take a look for you?

Nicholas Scheuer
10-14-2012, 08:53 AM
I currently see a guy driving around Rockford in a restored Silver Hawk. It still looks great, stylewise, compared to what else is out there. Only the chrome bumpers mounted on struts really date it.

10-14-2012, 09:18 AM
Back then, bumpers were for bumping..... Now bumpers are for sending the repair guy's kids to med school.... I think they should be re-named "Crunchers".... Or "mushers"

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-14-2012, 11:06 AM
I've got a complete collection of "Hot Rod" magazines starting from around that time and continuing on for about 20 years. I don't recall ever reading about Studebaker putting out a high HP Lark. Nor do I recall ever reading about Larks being competitive in NHRA stock classes. The muscle cars of the late 60s where all Big Three and if anyone could have produced a Studebaker that could elbow it's way into that crowd it certainly would have been reported. I do recall the supercharged Studebakers and the Hawks with the Packard engines but that was the era when Studebaker was was on it's downward slide and nothing was going to stop it. Unfortunately for Studebaker lovers those Paxton blowers were not allowed in stock classes.
I followed drag racing at that time rather religiously and don't see much similarity with what can be done today. Technology has come so far comparisons are meaningless. Things like electronic ignitions with computer controlled advance curves that can account for air temperature, barometer and humidity can make a world of difference.

ron ll
10-14-2012, 11:12 AM
What's the current 1/4 mile record (non-stock A fuel or whatever)?

10-14-2012, 11:28 AM



Del Worsham - Chino Hills, CA

Mohnton, PA

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-14-2012, 11:50 AM
It's over so quickly it's almost not worth the price of admission.

10-14-2012, 11:54 AM
The "R" series Datona Special Studebakers were pretty special, 304 cu. in, 335 HP
I saw an "Avanti" badged bright red supercharged convertible parked on the curb in San Francisco at Hyde street just a few weeks ago when I was up watching the cup series. I had to stop and take pictures of that one.


In Drag racing they were no match for the big block powered cars that the big three were campaigning, the Hemi-cuda, 396 Chevelles, 427 Fairlanes, and etc.

10-14-2012, 05:02 PM
What's the current 1/4 mile record (non-stock A fuel or whatever)?


The link is for stock vehicles.

10-14-2012, 05:44 PM
Victoria police Used Larks for a while, a short while as they had trouble keeping them out of the roadside ditches as well.

10-14-2012, 06:02 PM
The defectives used them here as well. Fairly quick for the day but those drum brakes didn't very well, even with Hardie Ferodo racing linings.

10-16-2012, 02:24 PM
One of my buddies hot rodded a 53 Stud Starliner hardtop with a 327 chev. It was an awesome top end machine because of the aerodynamics. Brakes, as noted, were essentially useful for one stop from 60. We ended up drilling the backing plates extensively and adding some scoops to funnel air into the brakes. That made a huge difference. Today, we'd just change them out for a good set of ventilated discs. That car was sooo far ahead of it's time. Still one of the prettiest designs on the road. And still a fav for the salt flats.

10-16-2012, 02:54 PM
There's a beautiful Studebaker Hawk on the side of Rt. 80 in between here and Essex, with a "for Sale" sign in the window.... Want me to stop by and take a look for you?

pictures picturexs pictures please