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Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 02:04 PM
14 yo girl shot for going against religious ideas she disagrees with..

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-pakistan-girl-activist-sparks-outrage-105617338.html

Ian McColgin
10-10-2012, 02:16 PM
It's also quite right how most Pakistanis also have strong feelings.

hanleyclifford
10-10-2012, 02:17 PM
The only good that can come out of something like this is the galvanizing of the populace against the insurgents; in fact, that is the only way an insurgency can ever really be defeated.

Kevin T
10-10-2012, 02:21 PM
And what pray tell would those views be, or is this the start of another one of those threads teased out over 80 plus posts to get to what's on your mind?:rolleyes:

Glen Longino
10-10-2012, 02:30 PM
14 yo girl shot for going against religious ideas she disagrees with..

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-pakistan-girl-activist-sparks-outrage-105617338.html

Any chance you might express some of those views?
After all, you're a goldanged Journalist!:D
PS...your views likely mirror most of our views on this subject!

Paul Pless
10-10-2012, 02:46 PM
I have strong views on this subjectHallelujah, Philco admits to having an opinion. . .

Glen Longino
10-10-2012, 03:13 PM
Hallelujah, Philco admits to having an opinion. . .

But will he tell us what it is?
Maybe on page four...post#162?
I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting!:)
PS...anybody have any guesses what Phillip's "strong views" are?
He strongly hates it?
He strongly likes it?
He's strongly indifferent?
The tension is killing me...out with it, Phillip!

Tom Montgomery
10-10-2012, 03:20 PM
Evidently the Taliban have strong feelings as well.

If only we could put all those with strong feelings on an island... like Antarctica.

bob winter
10-10-2012, 03:23 PM
Why not put them near an island instead. Maybe 50 miles offshore.

Chris Coose
10-10-2012, 03:26 PM
Gives guns a bad name is what he's pissed about.

ron ll
10-10-2012, 03:26 PM
Another thread on it.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?153961-A-real-bilge-item-Just-when-you-thought-things-couldn-t-get-worse&

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
The only good that can come out of something like this is the galvanizing of the populace against the insurgents; in fact, that is the only way an insurgency can ever really be defeated.

that thought had occured... I really hope you are right

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Well, I'm back and now have time to talk about it... in the meantime I had set a little experiment up while I was away... it seems Kevin, Glen and Chris prefer to talk about me instead of the news article... this is SOP here... what an obsession those three have!

as to my views:

I revile any religion that seeks to dominate others, be they male or female or anything else. The religions of liberalology AND conservativeology both do this and their practitioners only lack a very few steps to begin to blur any differences between theirs and our middle eastern cousins. Any time we go about killing or attempting to kill children as in the news article above to stop their mouths or to intimidate anyone who might listen to them, we have descended into the true depth of evil. Additionally, any religion which cannot weather criticism and survive, surely deserves to parish.

I remind us that should any religion begin to fail or even just ‘perceive’ that possibility is likely to have the same reaction os Pavlov’s dog…

I will continue to be angry with anyone who defends such practice either directly or indirectly.

wardd
10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
it takes a big man to shoot a little girl

Paul Pless
10-10-2012, 05:55 PM
this is SOP here... what an obsession those three have!Admit it, you borrowed this line from lj. . .

seanz
10-10-2012, 05:55 PM
Well, I'm back and now have time to talk about it... in the meantime I had set a little experiment up while I was away... it seems Kevin, Glen and Chris prefer to talk about me instead of the news article... this is SOP here... what an obsession those three have!

as to my views:

I revile any religion that seeks to dominate others, be they male or female or anything else. The religions of liberalology AND conservativeology both do this and their practitioners only lack a very few steps to begin to blur any differences between theirs and our middle eastern cousins. Any time we go about killing or attempting to kill children as in the news article above to stop their mouths or to intimidate anyone who might listen to them, we have descended into the true depth of evil. Additionally, any religion which cannot weather criticism and survive, surely deserves to parish.

I remind us that should any religion begin to fail or even just ‘perceive’ that possibility is likely to have the same reaction os Pavlov’s dog…

I will continue to be angry with anyone who defends such practice either directly or indirectly.

That would've made a great OP (original post).

Instead of just bitching about Glen and the gang, why don't you try listening to them?

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 05:58 PM
That would've made a great OP (original post).

Instead of just bitching about Glen and the gang, why don't you try listening to them?

I really didn't have the time then but I wanted to see the subject brought up and general discussion of it.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:00 PM
That would've made a great OP (original post).

Instead of just bitching about Glen and the gang, why don't you try listening to them?

listening? they launch endless personal attacks... why should I listen to that?

Paul Pless
10-10-2012, 06:02 PM
why should I listen to that?Jesus Phillip, you just admitted to trolling them up. . .

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:04 PM
I prefer to think I set up an experiment to see whether the shooting of a little girl or verbal sniping at me were more important to them... it would seem that whatever emotions I may cause to rise (personally) rise to their threshold of concern ahead of the emotions of seeing a llittle girl shot. that surely cannot be ture but it may be that their conditioning overrides more direct consideration of the news article

Paul Pless
10-10-2012, 06:09 PM
whether the shooting of a little girl or verbal sniping at meTo be fair yours is the third or fourth thread on the event.

Tom Montgomery
10-10-2012, 06:10 PM
Ummm....

You posted that you had strong views on the subject. But you neglected to state those views. Leaving us all to guess what your views were.

You call that an "experiment." It strikes me as a troll.

There have been other -- serious -- threads started on the topic.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:12 PM
perhaps a better explaination:
I had to leave quickly but wanted to start the conversation on the shooting. Knowing that that would start the sniping at me and take us nowhere, I made a preemptive strike (does that sound better, Paul? it wasn't really a strike though, I just gave myself a good 'leave' in case they did)

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:13 PM
To be fair yours is the third or fourth thread on the event.

I actually didn't notice the others... I was in a hurry though (I'll go off and look for them now)

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:14 PM
Ummm....

You posted that you had strong views on the subject. But you neglected to state those views. Leaving us all to guess what your views were.

You call that an "experiment." It strikes me as a troll.

There have been other -- serious -- threads started on the topic.

Tom, when have MY views been considered important... ?

Tom Montgomery
10-10-2012, 06:15 PM
A silly reply.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 06:16 PM
well, there it is just the same

Tom Montgomery
10-10-2012, 06:21 PM
Yep.

seanz
10-10-2012, 06:53 PM
I prefer to think I set up an experiment to see whether the shooting of a little girl or verbal sniping at me were more important to them... it would seem that whatever emotions I may cause to rise (personally) rise to their threshold of concern ahead of the emotions of seeing a llittle girl shot. that surely cannot be ture but it may be that their conditioning overrides more direct consideration of the news article


So, you don't care that the Taleban tried to assassinate a 14 yo schoolgirl, just to shut her up? This is about your own personal pettiness?

PeterSibley
10-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Well, I'm back and now have time to talk about it... in the meantime I had set a little experiment up while I was away... it seems Kevin, Glen and Chris prefer to talk about me instead of the news article... this is SOP here... what an obsession those three have!

as to my views:

I revile any religion that seeks to dominate others, be they male or female or anything else. The religions of liberalology AND conservativeology both do this and their practitioners only lack a very few steps to begin to blur any differences between theirs and our middle eastern cousins. Any time we go about killing or attempting to kill children as in the news article above to stop their mouths or to intimidate anyone who might listen to them, we have descended into the true depth of evil. Additionally, any religion which cannot weather criticism and survive, surely deserves to parish.

I remind us that should any religion begin to fail or even just ‘perceive’ that possibility is likely to have the same reaction os Pavlov’s dog…

I will continue to be angry with anyone who defends such practice either directly or indirectly.

It ain't the religion, it's the local culture of those boys. Australia has a bit more than 200 million Moslems next door and they don't do that, they're really quite pleasant.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 07:20 PM
So, you don't care that the Taleban tried to assassinate a 14 yo schoolgirl, just to shut her up? This is about your own personal pettiness?

weak... and requires you to ignore other things I have written

Ian McColgin
10-10-2012, 07:22 PM
Well, the "I'm back now" post establishes several things. Firstly we see that this whole bit is just a Phillip coy manipulation. Second, we learn that he's not actually interested in the Pakistani woman or the majority of Pakistanis and other Muslims who find the Taliban's act dispicable. Third we learn that he claims an interest in being against the "religions of liberalology AND conservativeology" but that he's disinclined to explain what they might possibly be.

It's all second rate onanism.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 07:24 PM
you're reaching Ian... why not discuss the news instead?

BrianW
10-10-2012, 07:43 PM
Got to admit Phillip, these guys are fascinated by you.

It's not like you support the bad guys, and even post your views against them.

And yet, they come after you.

Weird.

Kevin T
10-10-2012, 07:52 PM
Got to admit Phillip, these guys are fascinated by you.

It's not like you support the bad guys, and even post your views against them.

And yet, they come after you.

Weird.

In case you haven't noticed our resident mystery man has 46000 plus posts, you kind of can't help but respond to Phil's posts he represents probably 15% of all activity here.

Ian McColgin
10-10-2012, 07:55 PM
I did discuss the news, Phillip. Post #2. You're the one who came back to say that " . . . I had set a little experiment up . . . " I take this as an honest admission that you were not actually interested in the issue - not interested in the way the Taliban's fundamentalist extreemism might actually offend Pakistanis as much as US drone war crimes. Instead of discussing the actual issue you amorphously generalize with novel terms and vague references to the OP news article without even bothering to respect the many Pakistani and other Muslims who your own OP cite referred to. This disrespect of the real news shows that you're not actually interested in the issue. You're only interested in being the center of attention.

Kevin T
10-10-2012, 08:02 PM
I did discuss the news, Phillip. Post #2. You're the one who came back to say that " . . . I had set a little experiment up . . . " I take this as an honest admission that you were not actually interested in the issue - not interested in the way the Taliban's fundamentalist extreemism might actually offend Pakistanis as much as US drone war crimes. Instead of discussing the actual issue you amorphously generalize with novel terms and vague references to the OP news article without even bothering to respect the many Pakistani and other Muslims who your own OP cite referred to. This disrespect of the real news shows that you're not actually interested in the issue. You're only interested in being the center of attention.

And apparently a professional victim, at that ol Phil knows no equal. A tip of the cap!

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 08:12 PM
I did discuss the news, Phillip. Post #2. You're the one who came back to say that " . . . I had set a little experiment up . . . " I take this as an honest admission that you were not actually interested in the issue - not interested in the way the Taliban's fundamentalist extreemism might actually offend Pakistanis as much as US drone war crimes. Instead of discussing the actual issue you amorphously generalize with novel terms and vague references to the OP news article without even bothering to respect the many Pakistani and other Muslims who your own OP cite referred to. This disrespect of the real news shows that you're not actually interested in the issue. You're only interested in being the center of attention.

I AM interested in that bit of news... the other is an aside by me and a deliberate distraction by others... I'm perfectily willing to discuss the news... how about it?
BTW, I did note your first post... did I 'call you' on it?

LeeG
10-10-2012, 08:19 PM
I don't have strong feelings about this thread.

BrianW
10-10-2012, 08:21 PM
It ain't the religion, it's the local culture of those boys. Australia has a bit more than 200 million Moslems next door and they don't do that, they're really quite pleasant.

The Taliban, from wikipedia....


he Taliban (Pashto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language): طالبان‎), alternative spelling Taleban,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-4) (ṭālibān (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talib), meaning "students" in Pashto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language)) is an Islamic fundamentalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism) militant movement of Pashtun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns) tribesmen.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-5) It ruled large parts of Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) and its capital, Kabul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul), as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan) from September 1996 until October 2001. It gained diplomatic recognition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_recognition) from three states: Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), and the United Arab Emirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates).

You tell the Taliban it isn't about religion. But don't do it in person.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 08:25 PM
The Taliban, from wikipedia....



You tell the Taliban it isn't about religion. But don't do it in person.

that's what I mean by defending them, Brian. To simply repeat, ad nauseum, the mantra that they don't really mean it is defending them as far as I'm concerned... 'they shot the girl but they don't reeally mean it'

Ian McColgin
10-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Well, all here agree with most Pakistanis that the Taliban's act was wrong in every way. Not much controversy there.

Most of us agree that the Taliban's act represents a minority worst of Islam. Like fundamentalism in the US, it has its times of ascendency but with this they may have over-played and begin to lose ground. So there could be discussion around either how a repressive movement might go too far, or around the notion that the Taliban is at the heart of Islam and the Pakistanis who have objected either are not speaking in good faith or are a terribly little minority.

Were we able to have sustained systematic study, then we could look at the commonalities of all fundamentalist movements around the world, comparing and contrasting with other forms of totalitarianism. I don't think this Forum has the capacity for such a conversation but the differences are more interesting that glib generalizations about superficial similarities.

BrianW
10-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Glen, the Energizer Bunny.

leikec
10-10-2012, 09:38 PM
When a guy can't think his way out of a paper bag I first root for the guy--with the hope that he finally learns something. I'm to the point now where I just feel sorry for the bag....

Jeff C

Jim Bow
10-10-2012, 10:14 PM
I want to go on record as having strong views against attempting to assassinate children.