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Nicholas Scheuer
10-10-2012, 07:15 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-moderate-contraception-_n_1953132.htmlFlip


No kidding, the Ro,mney family is supposed to havestaged an "intervention" (dr Phil style) in the days just prior to the "debate" causing Mittens to go "more moderate" with his message. the link is just ONE example! I wonder how Ryan feels about all this drift to the left? "Drift" heck, it's a GALLOP!

BA.Barcolounger
10-10-2012, 07:45 AM
He flipped on abortion yesterday.

Mrleft8
10-10-2012, 07:59 AM
I don't think you're likely to see either of them curled up in the fetal position over this. I'm sure that Ryan doesn't care what has to happen to get him and Mitt to the top..... He'd probably endorse abortion himself if it'd help them win.

Tom Montgomery
10-10-2012, 08:03 AM
Romney has proven that he will say anything. But lots of people will vote for him regardless.

Waddie
10-10-2012, 09:06 AM
One man's "flip-flopping" is another man's "evolving position". Some people admire a politician who has the ability to be flexible when the situation requires a new way of thinking. President Obama is very good at this. Of course, he is a product of the Chicago machine, so he is used to making his opinions fit the times. Isn't the point for any politician to get elected first, and figure out positions second.....

regards,
Waddie

Dan McCosh
10-10-2012, 09:21 AM
Romney has long supported a woman's right to an abortion. As long as she isn't a Mormon, I guess. This changed when he ran this time for President. Changing again presents a problem, as he has lined the expressways around here with sign boards touting his anti-abortion stance (along with his opposition to gay marriage). I think he plans to leave the signs up, and say he doesn't believe them.

Canoeyawl
10-10-2012, 10:47 AM
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Cuyahoga Chuck
10-10-2012, 11:12 AM
One man's "flip-flopping" is another man's "evolving position". Some people admire a politician who has the ability to be flexible when the situation requires a new way of thinking. President Obama is very good at this. Of course, he is a product of the Chicago machine, so he is used to making his opinions fit the times. Isn't the point for any politician to get elected first, and figure out positions second.....

regards,
Waddie

I think you are trying to make soup with rocks.
He didn't get the nomination by being "flexible". He got it by moving very far to the right to outflank his very right-wing competitors. To have an "left-wing epiphany" so late in the game (and so late in life) is either a miracle or an example of rock solid opportunism. Since Romney has a record of regular epiphanies that help him get political traction I'd say the latter is more likely than the former.

Waddie
10-10-2012, 01:16 PM
Cuyahoga Chuck; He got it by moving very far to the right to outflank his very right-wing competitors

See; that's flexibility!!!!!!

regards,
Waddie

RodB
10-10-2012, 01:49 PM
Said Romney: "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda."


I think this has been said by most every Republican candidate for president in the past 25 years... or something like that. In other words, ... [ My personal views are pro life but the law of the land is not going to change any time soon and its not on my agenda].

RodB

wardd
10-10-2012, 03:29 PM
I think this has been said by most every Republican candidate for president in the past 25 years... or something like that. In other words, ... [ My personal views are pro life but the law of the land is not going to change any time soon and its not on my agenda].

RodB

not what he told huckabee not too long ago

PhaseLockedLoop
10-10-2012, 05:06 PM
Isn't the point for any politician to get elected first, and figure out positions second.....

regards,
Waddie

Yes, if you consider the US democratic process as hopelessly corrupt. That's how I see it.

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-10-2012, 07:49 PM
See; that's flexibility!!!!!!

regards,
Waddie

You can't fool me,you old reprobate. Not long ago I saw Romney on the TV trying to outflank Obama by moving to his left. That's pure "used car salesman". He learned that while he was hopelessly trying to dredge up Mormon converts in France. Romney is a master at straddling all sides of an ethical issue.
As president our allies would diagnose Romney right quick and we would be back in the bad old Bush years.
And from now on I'd appreciate it if you would copy everything I say so everyone can see the foolishness of your rejoiners.

Waddie
10-10-2012, 08:09 PM
You can't fool me,you old reprobate. Not long ago I saw Romney on the TV trying to outflank Obama by moving to his left. That's pure "used car salesman". He learned that while he was hopelessly trying to dredge up Mormon converts in France. Romney is a master at straddling all sides of an ethical issue.
As president our allies would diagnose Romney right quick and we would be back in the bad old Bush years.
And from now on I'd appreciate it if you would copy everything I say so everyone can see the foolishness of your rejoiners.

I saw Romney on the TV trying to outflank Obama by moving to his left. ; Maybe he was just playing "good cop, bad cop".....

Romney is a master at straddling all sides of an ethical issue. ; That's what I call a statesman !!!!!

Did I copy all that OK???? :)

regards,
Waddie

BrianW
10-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Said Romney: "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda."


Can anyone point to legislation in regards to abortion that will become part of his agenda?

BA.Barcolounger
10-11-2012, 10:46 AM
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BrianW
10-11-2012, 10:51 AM
Can anyone point to legislation in regards to abortion that will become part of his agenda?

So far, the answer is no?

Which means, Romney did not lie, misspeak, or tell a fib.

Okay. Works for me, but the lie of this rumor will persist with liberals despite that fact.

I'm still willing to hear about the legislation though.

BA.Barcolounger
10-11-2012, 11:04 AM
Can anyone point to legislation in regards to abortion that will become part of his agenda?

There are currently 33 Abortion related bills (http://www.opencongress.org/search/result?q=abortion&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&search_congress[112]=112&search_bills=1&search_people=1&search_committees=1&search_issues=1&search_comments=1) that were passed in the House of Representatives, and awaiting action in the Senate.


So far, the answer is no?

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Cuyahoga Chuck
10-11-2012, 11:08 AM
Can anyone point to legislation in regards to abortion that will become part of his agenda?

Not this hour but possibly the next.

leikec
10-11-2012, 11:10 AM
There are currently 44 Abortion related bills that were passed in the House of Representatives, and awaiting action in the Senate.

Land you can bet your bottom dollar that conservatives will expect Romney to sign them into law if they ever got through Congress...

Jeff C

John of Phoenix
10-11-2012, 12:35 PM
There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agendaThere's the out - plausible deniability.

And rest assured, the next red pres will go full bore after Roe vs Wade.

BrianW
10-11-2012, 01:10 PM
There are currently 33 Abortion related bills (http://www.opencongress.org/search/result?q=abortion&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&search_congress[112]=112&search_bills=1&search_people=1&search_committees=1&search_issues=1&search_comments=1) that were passed in the House of Representatives, and awaiting action in the Senate.



Sorry to burst your bubble.

No problem, it was a good try. Better than most.

But none of those bills are part of Romneys agenda. He's not in the House of Representatives and had nothing to do with them.

Now if you can link one of the sponsors of those 33 bills to entering the bill onto the House floor because Romney ask him/her to, then we'd be talking!

BrianW
10-11-2012, 01:27 PM
Perhaps not, but in the process of walking back his gaffe, his campaign said that Romney would endorse bills that seek to limit or prohibit abortions.

Right, but that doesn't make it his agenda.

That would be the result of both houses of Congress, representing the people who voted for them, passing a bill and sending it up for signature.

The legislative branch agrees to a bill, sends it to the executive branch for approval, and the judicial branch for sure will rule on it afterwords.

That's the American way. No problem.

Tom Montgomery
10-11-2012, 01:36 PM
The issue is whether or not Mitt Romney is trustworthy.

Does he believe in anything? Does he have any principles?

Or is he merely an extremely ambitious opportunist willing to say anything he thinks will play to his advantage by impressing his audience at the moment?
M

BA.Barcolounger
10-11-2012, 02:19 PM
The issue is whether or not Mitt Romney is trustworthy.

Does he believe in anything? Does he have any principles?

Or is he merely an extremely ambitious opportunist willing to say anything he thinks will play to his advantage by impressing his audience at the moment?
M

Here's your answer...

“I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI)
“Roe v. Wade has gone too far.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/51584/gop-debate-new-hampshire/ed-whelan)

“I don’t line up with the NRA.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219998/oscar-worthy-performance/deroy-murdock)
“I’m a member of the [NRA].” Source (http://race42012.com/2007/03/21/mitt-romneys-dick-swett-problem/)

“I like mandates. The mandates work.” Source (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/beltway-confidential/2011/05/romney-08-i-mandates/145035)
“I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.” Source (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/romney_hey_at_least_my_health_care_take_over_was_d one_at_the_state_level/)

“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” Source (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/222htyos.asp)
“I never really called myself pro-choice.” Source (http://www.lifenews.com/2010/03/10/nat-6099/)

“I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” Source (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/mitt_romneys_dad_didnt_really_march_with_martin_lu ther_king_jr/)
“I did not see it with my own eyes.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/154623/see-or-not-see/mark-hemingway)

“I supported the assault weapon ban.” Source (http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/16/romney-on-meet-the-press-gun-rightsimmigration-positions-under-fire/)
“I don’t support any gun control legislation.” Source (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965424/posts)

“I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” Source (http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/mitt_romney_and_the_minimum_wage)
“There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221291/stem-cell-solution/mitt-romney)

“I will work and fight for stem cell research.” Source (http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion)
“In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221291/stem-cell-solution/mitt-romney)

“I would like to have campaign spending limits.” Source (http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/631432047.html)
“The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.” Source (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/29/133920.shtml)

“I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.” Source (http://www.conservativepolitics.org/2008/01/real-mitt-romney.html)
“I changed my position.” Source (http://www.lifenews.com/2010/03/10/nat-6099/)

“Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.” Source (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/mitt_romney_let_detroit_go_bankrupt/)
“I’ll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back.” Source (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinemaynard/2012/05/08/mitt-romney-takes-credit-for-the-auto-bailout-say-what/)

“I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.” Source (http://swampland.time.com/2007/10/29/you_say_privatize_i_leave_out/)
“Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.” Source (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/4356/)

“I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” Source (http://reason.com/blog/2007/10/04/im-not-trying-to-return-to-rea)
“Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” Source (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1958899/posts)

“I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.” Source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264026,00.html)
“Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability.” Source (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/29/071029fa_fact_lizza)

“If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.” Source (http://www.redstate.com/rightwingnut2/2011/04/10/romney-in-2007-romneycare-will-be-a-model-for-the-nation/)
“What works in one state may not be the answer for another.” Source (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262800/if-i-were-president-obamacare-one-year-mitt-romney)

“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” Source (http://townhall.com/columnists/deroymurdock/2008/02/04/mitts_vietnam_flip-flop_his_most_disturbing_yet)
“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.” Source (http://townhall.com/columnists/deroymurdock/2008/02/04/mitts_vietnam_flip-flop_his_most_disturbing_yet)

“It’s a tax cut for fat cats.” Source (http://thinkmikehuckabee.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/mitt-romney-waffle-man.html)
“I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.” Source (http://thinkmikehuckabee.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/mitt-romney-waffle-man.html)

“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” Source (http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/04/does_romney_get_it.asp)
“He’s going to pay, and he will die.” Source (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mitt_Romney_War_+_Peace.htm)

“Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative.” Source (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/03/02/romney_says_media_are_focused_on_him/)
“I’m not the most conservative candidate.” “I’m not the most conservative candidate.” Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/seamus-romney-santorum_n_1344534.html)

“The TARP program… was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures.” Source (http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/21/did-romney-flip-flop-on-tarp/)
“When government is… bailing out banks… we have every good reason to be alarmed.” Source (http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/21/did-romney-flip-flop-on-tarp/)

“These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress.” Source (http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957471/Environment)
“Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore.” Source
(http://www.alternet.org/environment/52079/)
“This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.” Source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293017,00.html)
‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.” Source (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883629/posts)

“Those… paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.” Source (http://www.wnd.com/2007/08/43096/)
“Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country.” Source
(http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/03/)
“When I first heard of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly.” Source (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mitt_Romney_Civil_Rights.htm)
“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has worked well.” Source (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/19/104416.shtml?s=ic)

Tom Montgomery
10-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Evidently the only conviction held by Mitt Romney is that he is destined to be POTUS.

Canoeyawl
10-11-2012, 03:06 PM
Evidently the only conviction held by Mitt Romney is that he is destined to be POTUS.
That, and 47% of the population aren't worth concerning yourself with. They don't have enough money.

BrianW
10-11-2012, 05:09 PM
The issue is whether or not Mitt Romney is trustworthy.

And, so we have threads like this.

An accusations was made in the opening post, but it didn't hold water.

Still, everyone who wants to, will believe it anyhow.

Tom Montgomery
10-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Sure it holds water. Mitt wildly tailors his message according to the audience. He is an opportunist who will say anything he thinks will impress his audience at the moment.

And did you even bother to read post #28 and follow the links?

Who is being willfully ignorant?

The fact is that the GOP "base" does not care if Mitt Romney is a trustworthy character or not. That he is not Barack Obama is all that matters.

A Sad state of affairs.

And you are going to vote for this guy. Amazing.

BrianW
10-11-2012, 05:22 PM
Here's your answer... (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/19/104416.shtml?s=ic)

Nice list. Some of the examples don't hold water just reading them here. Take the last one for example...


“When I first heard of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly.” Source (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mitt_Romney_Civil_Rights.htm)
“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has worked well.” Source (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/19/104416.shtml?s=ic) http://forum.woodenboat.com/clear.gif (http://forum.woodenboat.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3559800&noquote=1)

There's no discrepancy there. I'd say when it first came out, it sounded silly to most people. That it worked "well"... well, I might disagree, but some folks think it worked well despite sounding silly, Romney appears to be one of them.

As to the list. I pick and choose which threads to reply to carefully. Some people are known for posting rubbish disguised as news, usually they link to a blog as proof. But when you follow the links in the blog (if they provide any) the truth isn't so clear as the catchy titles.

I've never claimed to love Romney, he's not pure like virgin snow. But I do enjoy pointing out when people are posting crap, and other people are slurping it up and regurgitating just as fast as possible. It just so happens, here in the Bilge, that Romney detractors are doing it more than Obama detractors.

So perhaps when I'm bored, I'll look at a couple (and at first glance, there's only a couple that look worthwhile) of the links.

BrianW
10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
Sure it holds water.

Gee. I must have missed it when you pointed out the legislation on Romneys agenda to end abortion.

What was the number of that post?

Tom Montgomery
10-11-2012, 06:03 PM
Gee. I must have missed it when you pointed out the legislation on Romneys agenda to end abortion.

What was the number of that post?
Gee... you honestly think Mitt Romney doesn't believe Roe vs. Wade went too far and should be overturned? And that he would not appoint Supreme Court Justices who would do just that?

John Smith
10-11-2012, 06:21 PM
One man's "flip-flopping" is another man's "evolving position". Some people admire a politician who has the ability to be flexible when the situation requires a new way of thinking. President Obama is very good at this. Of course, he is a product of the Chicago machine, so he is used to making his opinions fit the times. Isn't the point for any politician to get elected first, and figure out positions second.....

regards,
Waddie
"evolving" suggests a trend in one direction or another that continues. His views are more like a pinball bouncing around the machine.

John Smith
10-11-2012, 06:28 PM
If Mitt keep evolving or revolving as president, it may depend what day of the week a bill reaches his desk as to whether he signs it or vetoes it.

The interesting thing here is no one knows what this man truly believes or how he will actually govern.