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bamamick
10-07-2012, 05:48 PM
At least several hundred of them are! We happened to be in New Orleans all weekend and the place was swarming with folks from Venezuela! I asked a pretty young lady at the Cafe DuMonde if there was a big soccer game or something, and she very passionately explained that she was one of a busload of Venezuelan citizens who had ridden on a bus for 16 hours to get the chance to vote after her government shut down the embassy in Miami (in an apparent bid to keep all of these people from voting). After speaking with her I talked to several of these folks, and their resolve to have their voices heard was impressive, and inspiring!

A lot of us don't bother to vote in a fire house a mile away or our kid's school. These people will wind up spending 32 hours on a bus and a whole lot of money to get that chance. They were all wearing hats or scarves with their country's flag emblazoned upon them and are obviously proud of where they are from, even in the face of a government who has taken steps to keep them from choosing their leaders. And when I say there was a bus load, well, there were several, several busloads. I didn't personally see thousands of them, but I did see hundreds and hundreds.

I was impressed.

Mickey Lake

Willin'
10-07-2012, 05:59 PM
I'd go to that effort to unseat a despot like Chavez. Hell, I'd go to that effort to keep our current incumbent. What's the big deal?:cool:


ETA... Very cool. A reminder of how precious the right to vote is!

skuthorp
10-07-2012, 06:11 PM
Despot. Hmm, I've heard several opinions on that assesment recently, not all from the US. It varies. I think his discounting of oil sales to anyone but the US has gotten up someone's nose. Anyhow, he's unlikely to serve out another full term if his cancer diagnosis is accurate.

Durnik
10-07-2012, 09:11 PM
Despot. Hmm, I've heard several opinions on that assesment recently, not all from the US. It varies. I think his discounting of oil sales to anyone but the US has gotten up someone's nose. Anyhow, he's unlikely to serve out another full term if his cancer diagnosis is accurate.

I'd heard (via his publicist, of course ;-)) that his cancer is in remission as of what, 6 months ago? Who knows. Either way, the U.S. media for some reason slants all Chavez news in favor of 'conservatives'.. guess they're grumpled he doesn't let the U.S. oil industry run all over Venezuela.. The poor in his country however, seem quite satisfied.. Say, isn't that called 'democracy' & 'will of the people'? Or does that only apply when the conservatives get to ride roughshod over the working class.. Just wonderin'..

enjoy
bobby

goodbasil
10-08-2012, 01:06 AM
I met an awesome Venezuelan once. Miss Venezuela, 1957. Met her in Seattle back in the '60's. Yeah, she was awesome.

Peerie Maa
10-08-2012, 03:22 AM
I'd heard (via his publicist, of course ;-)) that his cancer is in remission as of what, 6 months ago? Who knows. Either way, the U.S. media for some reason slants all Chavez news in favor of 'conservatives'.. guess they're grumpled he doesn't let the U.S. oil industry run all over Venezuela.. The poor in his country however, seem quite satisfied.. Say, isn't that called 'democracy' & 'will of the people'? Or does that only apply when the conservatives get to ride roughshod over the working class.. Just wonderin'..

enjoy
bobby
Some of these may be why main stream US media don't like him.

The opposition's attempts to unseat Chávez included the 2002 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt), the Venezuelan general strike of 2002–2003 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_general_strike_of_2002%E2%80%932003), and the Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_recall_referendum,_2004), all of which failed. Chávez was re-elected in December 2006 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2006), but suffered a significant defeat in 2007 with the narrow rejection of the Venezuelan constitutional referendum, 2007 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_constitutional_referendum,_2007), which had offered two packages of constitutional reforms aimed at deepening the Bolivarian Revolution.
There are currently two major blocs of political parties in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Venezuela): the incumbent leftist bloc United Socialist Party of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/United_Socialist_Party_of_Venezuela) (PSUV), its major allies Fatherland for All (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Fatherland_for_All) (PPT) and the Communist Party of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Venezuela) (PCV), and the opposition bloc grouped into the electoral coalition Mesa de la Unidad Democrática (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mesa_de_la_Unidad_Democr%C3%A1tica). This includes A New Era (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/A_New_Era) (UNT) together with allied parties Project Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Project_Venezuela), Justice First (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Justice_First), Movement for Socialism (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Movement_for_Socialism_(Venezuela)) and others.

Education
Main article: Education in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Education_in_Venezuela)

The literacy rate for the adult population was already 91.1 by 1998.[75] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-74) In 2008, 95.2% of the adult population was literate.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Net primary school (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Primary_school) enrollment rate was at 91% in 2005.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Net secondary enrollment rate was at 63% in 2005.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Venezuela has a number of universities, of which the most prestigious are the Central University of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Central_University_of_Venezuela) (UCV), founded in Caracas in 1721, the University of the Andes (ULA), founded in Mérida State in 1810, and Simón Bolívar University (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_University) (USB), founded in Miranda State in 1967.
[edit (http://forum.woodenboat.com/w/index.php?title=Venezuela&action=edit&section=21)] Health

Main articles: Health care in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Health_care_in_Venezuela) and Mission Barrio Adentro (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro)
Venezuela has a national universal health care (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Universal_health_care) system that is free of charge. The current government has created a program to expand access to health care known as Misión Barrio Adentro (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro).[77] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-Venezuela_Information_Office-76)[78] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-77)
Infant mortality (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Infant_mortality) in Venezuela stood at 16 deaths per 1,000 births in 2004, lower than the South American average (by comparison, the U.S. stands at 5 deaths per 1,000 births in 2006).[79] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-78)[80] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-UNDP_2006-79)[81] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-WRI_2003c-80)
He runs a successful left wing government in the US back yard that cares for ALL of the population.

Paul Pless
10-08-2012, 05:03 AM
Hell, I'd go to that effort to keep our current incumbent. What's the big deal?:cool:exactly why we need voter id;):D

Mrleft8
10-08-2012, 07:36 AM
I Imagine that (relatively speaking) wealthy ex-pats from anywhere would be friendly to the country/and people of the country who are harboring them. After the Samoza regime in Nicaragua was toppled, the Nicarauguan "refugees" in the US were very friendly, and polite too. Same with the Cubans allied with the Batistas, after Castro, and the Iranians after the Reza Pahlavi throne was overturned.

Reynard38
10-08-2012, 08:43 AM
Not a fair comparison of Venezuelan and American voters.
They are voting to unseat a Marxist dictator bent on destroying the economy of thier country.
We are the other hand, oh wait... Never mind.

tigerregis
10-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Why do you call him a dictator? He has been elected three times.

Durnik
10-08-2012, 09:49 AM
Some of these may be why main stream US media don't like him.


The opposition's attempts to unseat Chávez included the 2002 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt), the Venezuelan general strike of 2002–2003 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_general_strike_of_2002%E2%80%932003), and the Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_recall_referendum,_2004), all of which failed. Chávez was re-elected in December 2006 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2006), but suffered a significant defeat in 2007 with the narrow rejection of the Venezuelan constitutional referendum, 2007 (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Venezuelan_constitutional_referendum,_2007), which had offered two packages of constitutional reforms aimed at deepening the Bolivarian Revolution.
There are currently two major blocs of political parties in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Venezuela): the incumbent leftist bloc United Socialist Party of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/United_Socialist_Party_of_Venezuela) (PSUV), its major allies Fatherland for All (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Fatherland_for_All) (PPT) and the Communist Party of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Venezuela) (PCV), and the opposition bloc grouped into the electoral coalition Mesa de la Unidad Democrática (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mesa_de_la_Unidad_Democr%C3%A1tica). This includes A New Era (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/A_New_Era) (UNT) together with allied parties Project Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Project_Venezuela), Justice First (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Justice_First), Movement for Socialism (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Movement_for_Socialism_%28Venezuela%29) and others.

Education
Main article: Education in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Education_in_Venezuela)

The literacy rate for the adult population was already 91.1 by 1998.[75] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-74) In 2008, 95.2% of the adult population was literate.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Net primary school (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Primary_school) enrollment rate was at 91% in 2005.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Net secondary enrollment rate was at 63% in 2005.[76] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-hdrstats.undp.org-75) Venezuela has a number of universities, of which the most prestigious are the Central University of Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Central_University_of_Venezuela) (UCV), founded in Caracas in 1721, the University of the Andes (ULA), founded in Mérida State in 1810, and Simón Bolívar University (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_University) (USB), founded in Miranda State in 1967.
[edit (http://forum.woodenboat.com/w/index.php?title=Venezuela&action=edit&section=21)] Health

Main articles: Health care in Venezuela (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Health_care_in_Venezuela) and Mission Barrio Adentro (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro)
Venezuela has a national universal health care (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Universal_health_care) system that is free of charge. The current government has created a program to expand access to health care known as Misión Barrio Adentro (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro).[77] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-Venezuela_Information_Office-76)[78] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-77)
Infant mortality (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Infant_mortality) in Venezuela stood at 16 deaths per 1,000 births in 2004, lower than the South American average (by comparison, the U.S. stands at 5 deaths per 1,000 births in 2006).[79] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-78)[80] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-UNDP_2006-79)[81] (http://forum.woodenboat.com/#cite_note-WRI_2003c-80)

He runs a successful left wing government in the US back yard that cares for ALL of the population. (bold, mine)

Truly, the media _needs_ to paint any socialism, esp Successful socialism, as abhorrent. There's a need to keep the marks.. er, citizens, in line, you know. Thanks for posting that information.



Not a fair comparison of Venezuelan and American voters.
They are voting to unseat a Marxist dictator bent on destroying the economy of thier country.
We are the other hand, oh wait... Never mind.

Ok, now _that's_ funny.. in oh so many ways! ;-)

enjoy
bobby

Gerarddm
10-08-2012, 10:00 AM
Chavez is nothing but a stereotypical blowhard caudillo. Pledging six more years down the socialist path flies in the face of modern history. He is not a dictator, but he is a chump. Castro is not the best role model.

John of Phoenix
10-08-2012, 12:08 PM
Re-elected for third six year term. Reuters reports an 80% turnout of registered voters. Very impressive.

ABC has this piece on New Orleans.
Venezuelans Voting in New Orleans Devastated by Chavez's Re-Election (http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/venezuelans-voting-orleans-devastated-chavezs-election/story?id=17420845)

With the Venezuelan consulate in Miami closed, an estimated 7,000 expatriates road-tripped to New Orleans this weekend to vote in the Venezuelan presidential election.

The day started in high spirits -- the vast majority hoped for a win by centerist opposition candidate Henrique Capriles -- but ended with a low, as standing president Hugo Chávez was re-elected (http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/venezuela-election-results-hugo-chavez-declared-winner/story?id=17419807#re-elected) by a 10 percent margin.

After hearing news of the vote, Venezuelans at the New Orleans convention center stood devastated and, in some cases, disbelieving.

"We just got the news that Chavez got 54 percent of the vote, and we don't believe that's the case," said Siul Narvaez. "You can not be ahead in the polls, and all of a sudden have a 10-point difference."

Narvaez and many others expected the results would arrive sometime early the next morning, and became skeptical when the National Electoral Council announced the results just three hours after the polls closed.

"For years, the government has given the results the next day, in the morning, and now, all of a sudden, they have the results of the whole election? This doesn't make any sense," said Narvaez.
Some Venezuelans drove more than 1,000 miles from South Florida to cast their ballot. After the Venezuelan consulate in Miami was shut down in a political dispute between the two countries, New Orleans was the next closest option.

"Venezuelans organized themselves in a fantastic way," said Lisbeth Philips. "I've never seen anything like this before. We came in massive numbers. I would say it's a historical event."
According to the Venezuelan Consulate, a half of a percent of registered voters are located abroad. Of those voters abroad, 36 percent are located in the United States.
Though it IS interesting how many votes dubya got from those old Diebold voting machines. (Relax, it's a joke.)

Phillip Allen
10-08-2012, 12:22 PM
I have a Venezuelan in one of my classes... I'll ask her what she thinks if I get the chance... she sits next to me sometimes (although it would be better to ask someone twice her age)

skuthorp
10-08-2012, 04:08 PM
Re-elected for third six year term. Reuters reports an 80% turnout of registered voters. Very impressive.

ABC has this piece on New Orleans.Though it IS interesting how many votes dubya got from those old Diebold voting machines. (Relax, it's a joke.)

Would that your Presidential election has the same level of enthusiasm. And so far I have seen no realistic accusations of poll or roll rigging, another wish for your coming election as well.

bamamick
10-08-2012, 04:18 PM
Phillip, for the life of me I have no idea why this young woman's age would have anything to do with the questions you'd like to ask her. And if you are talking about striking up a conversation as a way of breaking the ice, romantically, then once again, what does age have to do with it? She may like a little snow on the mountain, right?

Mickey Lake

skuthorp
10-08-2012, 04:21 PM
Maybe he means that she's too young to have a long enough view of her countries political history?

Phillip Allen
10-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Phillip, for the life of me I have no idea why this young woman's age would have anything to do with the questions you'd like to ask her. And if you are talking about striking up a conversation as a way of breaking the ice, romantically, then once again, what does age have to do with it? She may like a little snow on the mountain, right?

Mickey Lake

Mickey, I'm among thousands of 'women' every day who wear shorts which, if they were any shorter, would require matching panties. One obvious athlete in my journalsim class wears what looks like some sort of stretch stuff like bikecyclists wear... not much different from paint with every rippling muscle outline clearly visible... and they all look like 'grandchildren' to me... if that won't keep anyone honest then nothing will

the doubling of age means that I"m not sure she has enough life experience/observation to make any comparisons

BrianW
10-08-2012, 05:55 PM
Man, I need to go back to college like Phillip.

Phillip Allen
10-08-2012, 06:01 PM
Man, I need to go back to college like Phillip.

you'd better adopt an attitude like mine or you won't get any studying done... at least no 'college book' studying

bamamick
10-08-2012, 06:06 PM
Well, if she is anything like my youngest, she knows more about their governmental policies than any one of us ever would. You can't tell that kind of thing by a person's age.

As far as there being beautiful young women on most college campuses these days? I don't think that has changed much, unless you went to the Citadel or somewhere. There sure were a bunch of 'em when I was going to school.

And yeah, I am old enough to be the father of all of them, sure. But if I wasn't so much in love with my wife of 30 years it wouldn't stop me. At least not in the attempt. :)

Mickey Lake

Mrleft8
10-08-2012, 08:03 PM
Man, I need to go back to college like Phillip.
How's that?...... In a wheel chair with a defibrillator? :D

Vince Brennan
10-08-2012, 10:00 PM
(Refer to OP)

+1 from Gimpy Joe Kennedy!

Farfalla
10-10-2012, 01:56 AM
Chavez gets up the collective US nose big time because he's managed to defy the attempts to sideline him in the region and to oust him at home. His policies have won massive support across Sth. America and been one of the keystones of the turn against the US treating Sth America as a free cookie jar to dip into anytime it felt hungry.
The fact that he can snub his nose at them and yet they still have to come knocking on the door to buy the oil from Venezuela must really burn them, especially when he keeps discounting it to places like Cuba and charging them full price. But I'm sure it gives a lot of Venezuelans a quiet chuckle!
I'm sure there are things that could be improved in the regime but compared to a country that's constantly fighting wars all over the world, on the slightest pretext and always in the interest of big business, I'm not too sure that there is much of a moral contest there!

Mrleft8
10-10-2012, 08:58 AM
Chavez (Through the govt.owned oil co. Citgo) has been providing a certain amount of heating oil to "needy families" in the US at a discounted price,for years.... I haven't heard about it this year, but it may still be happening.

Phillip Allen
10-10-2012, 01:55 PM
Mickey, I'm among thousands of 'women' every day who wear shorts which, if they were any shorter, would require matching panties. One obvious athlete in my journalsim class wears what looks like some sort of stretch stuff like bikecyclists wear... not much different from paint with every rippling muscle outline clearly visible... and they all look like 'grandchildren' to me... if that won't keep anyone honest then nothing will

the doubling of age means that I"m not sure she has enough life experience/observation to make any comparisons

I talked to the 'cyclist' today... she is the pole vaulter for the track team

PhaseLockedLoop
10-10-2012, 02:28 PM
Chavez is nothing but a stereotypical blowhard caudillo. Pledging six more years down the socialist path flies in the face of modern history. He is not a dictator, but he is a chump. Castro is not the best role model.

You either don't know what you're talking about, or don't care. And that stereotype you refer to is in your head.

skuthorp
10-10-2012, 03:33 PM
You know 20 years ago the US would have either subsidised a 'revolution' courtesy of the CIA or just invaded the place on the behest of an oil company with it's profit nose out of joint. Things seem to have changed somewhat, but then you invaded someone else instead didn't you?

John of Phoenix
10-10-2012, 04:25 PM
You know 20 years ago the US would have either subsidised a 'revolution' courtesy of the CIA or just invaded the place on the behest of an oil company with it's profit nose out of joint. Things seem to have changed somewhat, but then you invaded someone else instead didn't you?If cheney had known about the recently discovered huge Venezuelan oil reserves, things would have been very different (or very much the same dependiing on how you look at it).