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wardd
10-06-2012, 06:23 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/opinion/krugman-romneys-sick-joke.html?hp&_r=0


“No. 1,” declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday’s debate, “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” No, they aren’t — as Mr. Romney’s own advisers have conceded in the past, and did again after the debate.

Rich Jones
10-06-2012, 06:33 PM
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If you can link into that address (I'm no good at that), you'll see a cartoon that illustrated the debate perfectly. Romney on his wife's dancing horse, wooing the judges, while the horse is burying Obama under a load of horsecrap.

hanleyclifford
10-06-2012, 06:46 PM
It might be interesting to see if any insurance companies are funding the Romney campaign.

hanleyclifford
10-06-2012, 06:52 PM
Found this. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/mitt-romney/campaign-funds Couldn't see the insurance companies, but look at the bankster who's who! Edit: I see the insurance lumped in with finance but somehow I don't believe this is the total involvement of the industry; but of course I see conspiracies everywhere.

Garret
10-06-2012, 06:57 PM
He's definitely a smooth liar.

And for some reason, the right swoons for it.

There's always just enough truth to it where you cannot quite say it's a lie - even if it's giving a false impression. There are a # here who seem to fall for it & a whole bunch more out there in the US.

Interesting how folks from outside the US seem to see through it far faster. Of course no true RWer would ever listen to someone who's not a US citizen.

wardd
10-06-2012, 06:58 PM
Probably the same reason the left bathes in Obama's lies.

care to mention any lies?

Garret
10-06-2012, 07:04 PM
I really can't see how you can call this anything other than a big, fat, lie.

He said his plan covers pre-existing conditions, but it doesn't. His own campaign says it doesn't.

If he doesn't change the current law, pre-existing issues are covered if you do not lose your health insurance. So - in that case it's true. If you are just getting insurance, no luck. If you lose it because you lost your job, you aren't covered. However, there are still people who's pre-existing conditions will be covered - even though he implies more.

That's what I meant about "just enough truth".

Garret
10-06-2012, 07:05 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/donnwest/smilies/crackup.gif


Laugh all you like. Just hope you aren't affected. Of course you wouldn't be concerned about how others might be affected - that'd be too democratic.

Garret
10-06-2012, 07:11 PM
That's a "big, fat, lie," Garret.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/donnwest/smilies/nana.gif

Glad to hear it. I said that because your posts imply you don't much care.

wardd
10-06-2012, 08:15 PM
is misdirection a lie?

BA.Barcolounger
10-06-2012, 08:28 PM
At the debate Romney repeated Politifact's "Lie of the Year" for both 2009 and 2010.

BrianW
10-06-2012, 08:44 PM
We still stuck on this one?

BrianW
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
I was looking forward to a joke. Not one more debate thread.

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Romney has proven to be a glib liar.

IMHO it is a calculated strategy. He and his advisors figure the average American watching the TV debate does not read any newspapers or periodicals that would subsequently contradict anything he cares to say.

One message for the base and another for a general audience is a cynical strategy, yes. But it may also be effective.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." — H.L. Mencken
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"Just win, baby." — Al Davis
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Glen Longino
10-06-2012, 09:23 PM
I was looking forward to a joke. Not one more debate thread.

Have you heard the one about the little moron who fell off the Empire State Building?;)

Glen Longino
10-06-2012, 09:34 PM
Romney has proven to be a glib liar.

IMHO it is a calculated strategy. He and his advisors figure the average American watching the TV debate does not read any newspapers or periodicals that would subsequently contradict anything he cares to say.

One message for the base and another for a general audience is a cynical strategy, yes. But it may also be effective.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." — H.L. Mencken
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Bingo, Tom!
Romney is following the Karl Rove/Dick Armey/Grover Norquist method of "How To Brain-Wash Troglodytes"!
Amazing how good he is at it!
Too bad there are too few Troglodytes who vote!:D

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 09:40 PM
The base doesn't care if Romney lies to a general audience.

BrianW
10-06-2012, 09:45 PM
Romney has proven to be a glib liar.

IMHO it is a calculated strategy. He and his advisors figure the average American watching the TV debate does not read any newspapers or periodicals that would subsequently contradict anything he cares to say.

One message for the base and another for a general audience is a cynical strategy, yes. But it may also be effective.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." — H.L. Mencken
m
"Just win, baby." — Al Davis
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Have you heard the one about the little moron who fell off the Empire State Building?;)


Bingo, Tom!
Romney is following the Karl Rove/Dick Armey/Grover Norquist method of "How To Brain-Wash Troglodytes"!
Amazing how good he is at it!
Too bad there are too few Troglodytes who vote!:D


The base doesn't care if Romney lies to a general audience.

Just an example of how you guys feed off each other.

Romeny's plan does have a "pre-existing condition' clause. Apparently it sucks ass. But it's there. So he spoke like a politician.

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 09:50 PM
Just an example of how you guys feed off each other.

Romeny's [sic] plan does have a "pre-existing condition' clause. Apparently it sucks ass. But it's there. So he spoke like a politician.

Actually it is not "there." Romney's plan leaves the decision of whether or not to cover those with pre-existing conditions to the states. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/romney-adviser-fields-questions-on-pre-existing-conditions/)

Romney's statement during the debate was a lie. Plain and simple. He knows it, I know it, you know it, guys like Jack Welch know it.

As I said... the base does not care if Romney lies to a general audience. Whatever it takes to win.

Glen Longino
10-06-2012, 09:52 PM
Just an example of how you guys feed off each other.

Romeny's plan does have a "pre-existing condition' clause. Apparently it sucks ass. But it's there. So he spoke like a politician.

We don't feed off each other...we feed off Troglodytes, like Donn!:D

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 10:04 PM
RomneyCare is a state plan. ObamaCare is a federal plan.
Correct.

How does that excuse Romney's lie?

Kevin T
10-06-2012, 10:15 PM
Correct.

How does that excuse Romney's lie?

You'll be waiting with the sound of crickets in the background before you get a coherent answer to that one.

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 10:16 PM
Donn never answers me.

Kevin T
10-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Donn never answers me.

Well sometimes he does, but it's usually just a contemptuous, venom filled reply, so it is probably not worth waiting around for anyway.

Tom Montgomery
10-06-2012, 10:39 PM
Nah... Donn posts plenty of contemptuous, venom filled replies. But never to me.

We have a special relationship.

Kevin T
10-06-2012, 10:39 PM
I suppose it's more of a response rather than an actual answer, venomous though, almost always.

Glen Longino
10-06-2012, 10:47 PM
I suppose it's more of a response rather than an actual answer, venomous though, almost always.

Donn fancies himself an elitist, above and superior to most of us Common Bilge Rats.....a Purebred White Lab-Rat, you might say!;)

BrianW
10-07-2012, 12:02 AM
No, it doesn't.

His plan covers "conditions," but not pre-existing conditions.

His own campaign said that the states would have to come up with their own plans to cover pre-existing conditions, or else they are not covered.

Oh it's there alright, but like I said, it sucks compared to ObamaCare...


Nope, not quite. Under Romney's proposal, pre-existing conditions would only be covered if the individual was continuously insured. For those who have lost their jobs and health insurance, Romney's plan will NOT guarantee coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Just one of the many lies and distortions Romney uttered, in the debate.



QUESTION: Would pre-existing conditions be covered in Mitt Romney’s health care plan?
ANSWER: Romney said yes during Wednesday’s debate, but his advisers later clarified that’s only as long as people kept their insurance. If you lost your job or retired before turning 65 and becoming eligible for Medicare, insurance companies could refuse to cover any pre-existing conditions.
As for Romney’s overall approach to health care, top adviser Eric Fehrnstrom said Wednesday night that Romney would leave it to the states to decide whether to create a plan.



Jeffrey Bruner is the wire chief for the Gannett National Wire Desk in Des Moines.



http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121005/NEWS02/310050121/FACT-CHECK-Pre-existing-conditions-under-Romney-s-program?nclick_check=1


During Wednesday's presidential debate in Denver, Colo., Romney declared that Americans with pre-existing conditions should be protected from discrimination by health insurance companies, repeating an assertion (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/09/mitt-romney-obamacare-_n_1868385.html) he's made throughout the presidential campaign.


"I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions. That's part of my health care plan," Romney said. But health insurance companies would still be permitted to turn away such people under what Romney proposes.


What Romney has isn't so much a plan as it is an aspiration. Romney doesn't want to forbid health insurance companies from rejecting people with pre-existing conditions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/supreme-court-health-care-sickest-americans_n_1616943.html) or charging them more than healthy individuals, as does the national health care reform law, as well as Romney's own 2006 Massachusetts law health care reform law.


Instead, Romney essentially expressed a hope that states would individually adopt consumer protections for sick people after he repeals Obama's national health care reform law.


Because Romney's campaign proposal only applies to people with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous health care coverage, it would do nothing to help those (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/10/who-would-be-left-out-of-romneys-preexisting-conditions-plan-about-89-million-americans/) who can't get health insurance in the first place. But losing coverage, if only for a short time, is common: 89 million Americans went without health insurance (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/In-the-Literature/2012/Aug/Gaps-and-Transitions-in-Health-Insurance.aspx) for at least one month between 2004 and 2007, according to a report published in August by the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based research institution.


In his bid for the White House, Romney says he would slightly expand existing protections (http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care) that allow people with pre-existing conditions who already have health insurance to switch to a new plan without being rejected. But Romney wouldn't push for federal regulations akin to Obama's or the Massachusetts law.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/romney-pre-existing-conditions-health-care-plan_n_1939735.html

So, basically he spoke like a politician.