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ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 10:58 AM
What appears to be happening now is the far right in the Muslim world is openly challenging the right. Now, substitute USA for Muslim world and what do you have?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 11:11 AM
What appears to be happening now is the far right in the Muslim world is openly challenging the right. Now, substitute USA for Muslim world and what do you have?

An enormous stretch of the truth?

wardd
09-16-2012, 11:12 AM
An enormous stretch of the truth?

not so much

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 11:13 AM
How so?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 11:18 AM
How so?


What appears to be happening now is the far right in the Muslim world is openly challenging the right. Now, substitute USA for Muslim world and what do you have?

Well lets look at your first sentence , what is the Muslim world is openly challenging "the right". what "right" , your sentence make little sense .

How so , maybe, who knows , just string words together randomly and seem what warrd "rights" back.

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 11:19 AM
You don't understand that the muslim world has a right, center and progressive faction?

BrianW
09-16-2012, 11:21 AM
An enormous stretch of the truth?


How so?

Don't bother Paul.

Someone makes an outrageous comment, then expects you to defend against it.

Age old debate tactic. If he had facts to back up his statement, he'd provide them.

wardd
09-16-2012, 11:24 AM
You don't understand that the muslim world has a right, center and progressive faction?

the muslim world is a product of being poured out of a blender

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 11:24 AM
How so?


You don't understand that the muslim world has a right, center and progressive faction?

So the right is pushing against the right?? Right??

@ B-dubya , just killin time , no worries.

wardd
09-16-2012, 11:26 AM
in which direction is boehner looking

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 11:30 AM
What is outrageous about the statement?
Facts - Radical Islamist groups exists and continue to make their presence known. The radical right in this country are driving the agenda of the republican/conservatives.

peb
09-16-2012, 11:30 AM
The far left has proven much more destructive with its movements in this country in the past few years than the far right.

wardd
09-16-2012, 11:32 AM
The far left has proven much more destructive with its movements in this country in the past few years than the far right.

have an instance of that?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 11:34 AM
What is outrageous about the statement?
Facts - Radical Islamist groups exists and continue to make their presence known. The radical right in this country are driving the agenda of the republican/conservatives.

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Waddie
09-16-2012, 11:59 AM
What is outrageous about the statement?
Facts - Radical Islamist groups exists and continue to make their presence known. The radical right in this country are driving the agenda of the republican/conservatives.

Oh, now I get it; this OP isn't about Moslems at all really. It's a shot at the Republicans ..... well, why didn't you just say so in the first place? No need to try and disguise it..We're used to that. If I understand you correctly, you're claiming that some unidentified "radical right" is the same as the mobs protesting and killing Americans overseas. Hmmm..... I just don't see it. Maybe you should ask what happened to the "Occupy" movement. They've been AWOL this election season.

regards,
Waddie

LeeG
09-16-2012, 12:04 PM
the muslim world is a product of being poured out of a blender

Like America where everyone is the same a Saudi Wahabbist is just like a
Turk or Indonesian or Persian. Everything is everything.

LeeG
09-16-2012, 12:05 PM
What appears to be happening now is the far right in the Muslim world is openly challenging the right. Now, substitute USA for Muslim world and what do you have?

A candidate the extremists won't support.

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Nope Waddie. not what I'm saying. try again.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Oh, now I get it; this OP isn't about Moslems at all really. It's a shot at the Republicans ..... well, why didn't you just say so in the first place? No need to try and disguise it..We're used to that. If I understand you correctly, you're claiming that some unidentified "radical right" is the same as the mobs protesting and killing Americans overseas. Hmmm..... I just don't see it. Maybe you should ask what happened to the "Occupy" movement. They've been AWOL this election season.

regards,
Waddie

Oh that's what he meant! If it's bad it's either ,

#1: Bush's fault.

#2: The Republican parties fault ,therefore see #1.

#3: The radical right or any Christians fault , therefore see #1.

#4 The regressive's ( IE anyone who isn't a radical left wing zealot) fault , therefore see #1.

#5: The troglodytes , (also anyone who isn't a radical left wing zealot), therefore see #1.


ETA:

The solution , 4 more years of Pres. O. Double the debt ever year , Govt. jobs for all the people all the time, a chicken in every pot every day , change you can count on Gitmo closed , no more wars , peace with all people , just cuz they love Pres O so much , bail outs for all hands , housing for the poor , we'll all qualify soon . ya that's the ticket you can vote for !

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 12:10 PM
You guys are not exactly what you would call deep thinkers. :)

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 12:15 PM
You guys are not exactly what you would call deep thinkers. :)

How about those replacement officials, can't Obama fix at LEAST that? LOL

pefjr
09-16-2012, 12:18 PM
What appears to be happening now is the far right in the Muslim world is openly challenging the right. Now, substitute USA for Muslim world and what do you have?I give up,.... what?


You guys are not exactly what you would call deep thinkers. :) I suppose the op is from a deep thinker like yourself?:d

TomF
09-16-2012, 12:42 PM
Where are these extreme Leftists in the US you speak of, peb?

As to the other bit, yeah it does seem that extremists are pushing the moderates and even the moderate consetvatives in the Muslim world. Some are certainly pushing back, too.

This is not so in American politics? The most ideological bit of the Republican party is not defining who's a RINO, who can become a candidate? And there aren't moderate and conservative Reps pushing back somewhat?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 12:56 PM
Where are these extreme Leftists in the US you speak of, peb?

As to the other bit, yeah it does seem that extremists are pushing the moderates and even the moderate consetvatives in the Muslim world. Some are certainly pushing back, too.

This is not so in American politics? The most ideological bit of the Republican party is not defining who's a RINO, who can become a candidate? And there aren't moderate and conservative Reps pushing back somewhat?

So this only work for one party? One class or type of people? There is no diversity in the Left, the progressives , liberals , Democrats are in lock step , of one mind, the blue dogs follow the lead "dog" always in every way on every issue?

Canadian's all cheer for Les Habitants? Hell, you guys can't even decide on a common language so you split the difference. No hypocrisy here, nope none, move along now , nothing to see here.

Peerie Maa
09-16-2012, 01:39 PM
The far left has proven much more destructive with its movements in this country in the past few years than the far right.
Far left? You haven't got a left in the USA, Obama is no further left than Cameron.

TomF
09-16-2012, 01:46 PM
Paul, sure there's diversity within the Dems - many (blue dogs come to mind) are actually Republicans, to my mind. But I see no radical Left anywhere in your country or mine. Certainly no fringe group being catered to for their influence on the "base.". The closest thing on the L to the Islamist radicals... Is the Occupy movement. Which isn't exactly prominent in this year's electioneering, eh?

Now, find me a single Rep from the Primaries show who didn't take care at least not to offend the Tea Party and the Birthers.

False equivalence.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 02:49 PM
Paul, sure there's diversity within the Dems - many (blue dogs come to mind) are actually Republicans, to my mind. But I see no radical Left anywhere in your country or mine. Certainly no fringe group being catered to for their influence on the "base.". The closest thing on the L to the Islamist radicals... Is the Occupy movement. Which isn't exactly prominent in this year's electioneering, eh?

Now, find me a single Rep from the Primaries show who didn't take care at least not to offend the Tea Party and the Birthers.

False equivalence.

You must have missed Pres. Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright , Father Flagger(sp) , the Chicago "mob" Rom Emaual (sp) , the Bernadene Dorn and her guy the bomb maker , and many others to not see the far left at Pres. O's left hand.

Duck, dodge and hide , false equivalence is the lefts many tool! But see it as you like.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is it a turkey, seems so in the lefts minds eye/ opinion.

Garret
09-16-2012, 03:01 PM
I don't get what's so complicated about this.

In the Muslim world, things are being radicalized by the more conservative elements - aka the "right" of the Muslim religion.

In this country, the Republican party is being pushed right by the conservative element of the party. That in turn is pushing the Democratic party to the right.

So - both the ME & the US are being substantially affected by the right. Different "right wings" & different countries, but similar concept for both. Conservatism (in the modern sense) is shaping today's world far more than Liberalism.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 03:06 PM
Dangit, Paul, you're on a Right-Wing Fundamental Troglodytic Rampage today!:D
Yep, if it howls at the moon like a Troglodyte, rants and raves like a rabid Troglodyte, then it must be a Troglodyte!
Rave on!!!!!:DLMAO

Just doing my part in adding flavor to the forum Glen , the ying for your yang , enjoy!! Go Seahawk's , Dallas is go-in down you Tex-a-can bastid!!:d

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 03:10 PM
I don't get what's so complicated about this.

In the Muslim world, things are being radicalized by the more conservative elements - aka the "right" of the Muslim religion.

In this country, the Republican party is being pushed right by the conservative element of the party. That in turn is pushing the Democratic party to the right.

So - both the ME & the US are being substantially affected by the right. Different "right wings" & different countries, but similar concept for both. Conservatism (in the modern sense) is shaping today's world far more than Liberalism.

IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA, the destruction of the Christian churches while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms. The Govt. take over of the private health care system, the huge debt to cover the cost of social programs , etc. I'm positive YMMV on all of these issues.

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 03:20 PM
IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA, the destruction of the Christian churches while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms. The Govt. take over of the private health care system, the huge debt to cover the cost of social programs , etc. I'm positive YMMV on all of these issues.

You pretty much managed to capture most of the talking points of the crazy here. Destruction of the Christian Churches. Yeah right. The GOP has the christian franchise and the rest of us are the godless horde. Gov't take over of health care. Politifact called this the "lie of the year." Hug debt to cover the cost of social programs. Sure, it was food stamps that created almost total financial failure in 2008.

Keep trying.

Garret
09-16-2012, 03:20 PM
IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA, the destruction of the Christian churches while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms. The Govt. take over of the private health care system, the huge debt to cover the cost of social programs , etc. I'm positive YMMV on all of these issues.

Oh, my mileage does vary... ;)

Who is destroying churches? Who is preaching conversion to Islam? Has Whidbey been overrun or something? Was the WBF @ PT a cover for a flotilla of Islamic invasion troops?

I don't see anything like what you describe in New England. I don't even hear people talking about either of these things. Driving through the VT countryside this morning I saw all sorts of church parking lots full of cars - even a huge outdoor service (Congregational).

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 03:23 PM
Oh, my mileage does vary... ;)

Who is destroying churches? Who is preaching conversion to Islam? Has Whidbey been overrun or something? Was the WBF @ PT a cover for a flotilla of Islamic invasion troops?

I don't see anything like what you describe in New England. I don't even hear people talking about either of these things. Driving through the VT countryside this morning I saw all sorts of church parking lots full of cars - even a huge outdoor service (Congregational).

Garret, all those cars parked in church parking lots belonged to Republicans and tea partiers. The rest of us all worship Allah.

Osborne Russell
09-16-2012, 03:51 PM
Different "right wings" & different countries, but similar concept for both. Conservatism (in the modern sense) is shaping today's world far more than Liberalism.

Conservatism in the modern sense is not conservatism, it's reaction.

Osborne Russell
09-16-2012, 03:52 PM
IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA, the destruction of the Christian churches while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms. The Govt. take over of the private health care system, the huge debt to cover the cost of social programs , etc. I'm positive YMMV on all of these issues.

Comical, but not in a good way.

wardd
09-16-2012, 03:58 PM
So this only work for one party? One class or type of people? There is no diversity in the Left, the progressives , liberals , Democrats are in lock step , of one mind, the blue dogs follow the lead "dog" always in every way on every issue?

Canadian's all cheer for Les Habitants? Hell, you guys can't even decide on a common language so you split the difference. No hypocrisy here, nope none, move along now , nothing to see here.


what's the official language in america?

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 04:13 PM
IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA

Paul, with all due respect, you guys wouldn't know all-out socialism if it bit you on the collective tuchus.


the destruction of the Christian churches

Which Christian churches have been destroyed?


while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms.

From my perspective, which is to say neither Christian nor Muslim, I don't see that Christianity has anything to recommend itself over Islam, and Christianity certainly promotes conversion. Any reason why Muslims shouldn't? It sounds to me like you're arguing against freedom of religion - ironic, given American conservatives' usual take on the Bill of Rights.

Waddie
09-16-2012, 04:22 PM
what's the official language in america?

gobbledegook.... :)

regards,
Waddie

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:22 PM
Paul, with all due respect, you guys wouldn't know all-out socialism if it bit you on the collective tuchus.


It's nibbling at those collective tuchus as we speak / type!


Which Christian churches have been destroyed?

No prayer in schools , it's not Christmas break it's winter break , etc. , the progressive "creep" is like the tide , timed and unrelenting.



From my perspective, which is to say neither Christian nor Muslim, I don't see that Christianity has anything to recommend itself over Islam, and Christianity certainly promotes conversion. Any reason why Muslims shouldn't? It sounds to me like you're arguing against freedom of religion - ironic, given American conservatives' usual take on the Bill of Rights.


The "conversion" I alluded to was not literal but figurative. Would the liberals "fight" as hard, or at all , for a Christian churches right to build at ground zero, IF it was a Christian church instead of a Mosque that was to be built? Again the progressive creep aspect of anti-Christian sentiment in the liberal mind set.

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't believe there are any churches at ground zero. What in the world are you talking about.

Dan McCosh
09-16-2012, 04:26 PM
The "conversion" I alluded to was not literal but figurative. Would the liberals "fight" as hard, or at all , for a Christian churches right to build at ground zero, IF it was a Christian church instead of a Mosque that was to be built? Again the progressive creep aspect of anti-Christian sentiment in the liberal mind set. Quite Right. The Coptic Christians deserve the full support of the U.S., despite the inflamed Muslim world. An African sect certainly deserves the full support of the American people. Romney has a large base of support on this issue.

wardd
09-16-2012, 04:30 PM
The "conversion" I alluded to was not literal but figurative. Would the liberals "fight" as hard, or at all , for a Christian churches right to build at ground zero, IF it was a Christian church instead of a Mosque that was to be built? Again the progressive creep aspect of anti-Christian sentiment in the liberal mind set.

your statements are not meant to be factual?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:32 PM
I don't believe there are any churches at ground zero. What in the world are you talking about.

They wanted to build a mosque at ground zero or across the street / general area. Some people didn't think it was the right place.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:33 PM
your statements are not meant to be factual?

Put me on ignore, or use capital letters!

wardd
09-16-2012, 04:34 PM
Put me on ignore, or use capital letters!

i choose neither

wardd
09-16-2012, 04:35 PM
They wanted to build a mosque at ground zero or across the street / general area. Some people didn't think it was the right place.

you're really up on current events

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:37 PM
you're really up on current events


I didn't say it WAS a current event, but it WAS a event that did happen. What part of that don't you understand?

In battle to build mosque near Ground Zero, opponents ask 'why there?'


Liberal creep , just like the tide.

Garret
09-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Garret, all those cars parked in church parking lots belonged to Republicans and tea partiers. The rest of us all worship Allah.

Oh right, I forgot that. Though there is a large percentage of the left that's simply godless & will all go to hell soon.

wardd
09-16-2012, 04:43 PM
I didn't say it WAS a current event, but it WAS a event that did happen. What part of that don't you understand?

In battle to build mosque near Ground Zero, opponents ask 'why there?'


Liberal creep , just like the tide.

that you are so void of any details

and why shouldn't they build a community center on land they have title too?

Garret
09-16-2012, 04:46 PM
I didn't say it WAS a current event, but it WAS a event that did happen. What part of that don't you understand?

In battle to build mosque near Ground Zero, opponents ask 'why there?'


Liberal creep , just like the tide.

Paul -

This country has a concept called "freedom of religion". All the lefty's I know would support any church/temple/synagogue being built anywhere. Which seems to be more than many of the right would do. The US (despite what revisionists would like to think) was not founded as a Christian nation.

In case you forgot - it's the 1st amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Tom Montgomery
09-16-2012, 04:49 PM
Some facts:


No mosque is going up at ground zero. The center would be established at 45-51 Park Place, just over two blocks from the northern edge of the sprawling, 16-acre World Trade Center site. Its location is roughly half a dozen normal lower Manhattan blocks from the site of the North Tower, the nearer of the two destroyed in the attacks.

The center's location, in a former Burlington Coat Factory store, is already used by the cleric for worship, drawing a spillover from the imam's former main place for prayers, the al-Farah mosque. That mosque, at 245 West Broadway, is about a dozen blocks north of the World Trade Center grounds.

Another, the Manhattan Mosque, stands five blocks from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site.

To be sure, the center's association with 9/11 is intentional and its location is no geographic coincidence. The building was damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks and the center's planners say they want the center to stand as a statement against terrorism.

Read here for more facts: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/18/4922332-fact-check-islam-already-lives-near-ground-zero

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:50 PM
that you are so void of any details

and why shouldn't they build a community center on land they have title too?

I don't know read about it here if you like,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

It's the effort from the left to help push it along , no similar effort would be made if it where a Christian based center.

Tom Montgomery
09-16-2012, 04:54 PM
It's the effort from the left to help push it along , no similar effort would be made if it where a Christian based center.
No such effort to push it along would be needed were it a Christian based center because then there would be no outraged right-wing voices clamoring in protest.

Garret
09-16-2012, 04:56 PM
I don't know read about it here if you like,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

It's the effort from the left to help push it along , no similar effort would be made if it where a Christian based center.

Maybe it'd just be a sort of role reversal, instead of lefties helping & righties fighting it, it'd be righties helping & lefties either helping or doing little one way or the other. Think about that for a minute

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 04:57 PM
Paul -

This country has a concept called "freedom of religion". All the lefty's I know would support any church/temple/synagogue being built anywhere. Which seems to be more than many of the right would do. The US (despite what revisionists would like to think) was not founded as a Christian nation.

In case you forgot - it's the 1st amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"



http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/man-facing-jail-for-hosting-home-bible-study.html

http://stevenbirnspeaks.com/2012/07/07/anti-christian-persecution-on-the-rise-in-the-us/

There's other examples , but see it as you will , oh and I'm sure you'll kick the Fox news one out , so why bother on my part , your right liberals embrace everyone equally , very saint like.

wardd
09-16-2012, 05:00 PM
I don't know read about it here if you like,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

It's the effort from the left to help push it along , no similar effort would be made if it where a Christian based center.


what effort would be needed for a christian center?

popular causes do not need protection, it's the unpopular that need protection

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:00 PM
No prayer in schools , it's not Christmas break it's winter break , etc. , the progressive "creep" is like the tide , timed and unrelenting.

I must have misunderstood you - I thought you said churches had been destroyed. Your response is about keeping religion out of the lives of those who don't want it in their lives. Surely you don't support forcing an unwanted religion on people, do you?


The "conversion" I alluded to was not literal but figurative. Would the liberals "fight" as hard, or at all , for a Christian churches right to build at ground zero, IF it was a Christian church instead of a Mosque that was to be built? Again the progressive creep aspect of anti-Christian sentiment in the liberal mind set.

The only reason people supported the mosque in the first place was to uphold the freedom of religion that is enshrined in your constitution, when it was under attack by (mostly Christian) conservatives. If the mosque hadn't been attacked, I rather doubt liberals would have cared about it one way or another. The important things to remember are twofold: first, Christianity neither holds nor deserves any kind of special status in the USA, and second, freedom from religion is as important as freedom of religion. How one can believe in the Bill of Rights and not uphold both principles is beyond me.

Garret
09-16-2012, 05:08 PM
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/man-facing-jail-for-hosting-home-bible-study.html

http://stevenbirnspeaks.com/2012/07/07/anti-christian-persecution-on-the-rise-in-the-us/

There's other examples , but see it as you will , oh and I'm sure you'll kick the Fox news one out , so why bother on my part , your right liberals embrace everyone equally , very saint like.

Actually, I read it. Do you really think that if a Koran study group did exactly the same thing they wouldn't get in equal trouble? I'd posit that in one of very rightest states in the US, it would've been shut down in weeks instead of years.

I won't start on what I call the "Christian Whiners" (your second link), as I know you don't want to hear it. Freedom of religion also means freedom from having it crammed down our throats if we prefer not to listen.

I thought the right was all about freedom? Oh - that's for everything except religion.....

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:15 PM
Wow, that Birn is an utter tool.

Peerie Maa
09-16-2012, 05:16 PM
Actually, I read it. Do you really think that if a Koran study group did exactly the same thing they wouldn't get in equal trouble? I'd posit that in one of very rightest states in the US, it would've been shut down in weeks instead of years.

I won't start on what I call the "Christian Whiners" (your second link), as I know you don't want to hear it. Freedom of religion also means freedom from having it crammed down our throats if we prefer not to listen.

I thought the right was all about freedom? Oh - that's for everything except religion.....
and a woman's right to chose, and .. .. .. .. ..

ccmanuals
09-16-2012, 05:19 PM
They wanted to build a mosque at ground zero or across the street / general area. Some people didn't think it was the right place.

You mean the cultural center at Park 51, a couple of blocks from ground zero?

elf
09-16-2012, 05:19 PM
You guys are not exactly what you would call deep thinkers. :)
+1.

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:32 PM
Huh. Turns out Michael Salman, the guy in the first story in Birn's blog post, is facing multiple felony charges for defrauding Medicaid. Oh, and he wasn't persecuted for hosting a small bible study class, he was charged because he built a 2,000 square foot "game room" on his property and then used it as a church, in violation of the permits and codes under which he built it. Sounds to me like he's being "persecuted" for breaking the law, not for being a Christian.

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:40 PM
I don't get the whining about the Jennifer Keeton case in Birn's blog. The university sets standards for its counselling degrees, and so it should. I don't see anything wrong with preventing anti-gay bigots from becoming school counsellors, any more than I see anything wrong with preventing racists from becoming school counsellors. Young peoples' development should not be trusted to bigots of any kind.

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:43 PM
And then there's the circumcision thing. I'm with Germany on this one - it's genital mutilation perpetrated on people too young to give informed consent. I don't care if some adult wants to chop off part of his own penis to make a covenant with his deity, but doing it to children is every bit as sick as female genital mutilation.

Flying Orca
09-16-2012, 05:44 PM
In short, looks like Birn is full of fertilizer.

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 06:05 PM
IMO the right is attempting to hold the line to all out socialism in the USA, the destruction of the Christian churches while promoting the Muslin conversion , or facilitating the much easier access of Muslim beliefs and cultural norms. The Govt. take over of the private health care system, the huge debt to cover the cost of social programs , etc. I'm positive YMMV on all of these issues.

Hilarious !! one of the funniest things I've read this week. You wouldn't recognise socialism is it bit you on the bum .:D

elf
09-16-2012, 06:12 PM
Paul's fact-impared-ness seems to be finally coming into full bloom here. I didn't realize...

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 06:13 PM
Hilarious !! one of the funniest things I've read this week. You wouldn't recognise socialism is it bit you on the bum .:D

Prolly not I'm so &^%$*&^% stupid! You guys burn down our embassy yesterday ? Whats up with that?

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 06:19 PM
Socialists burned your embassy ? Ya reckon ?...go and have cup of coffee Paul, you're getting silly.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Socialists burned your embassy ? Ya reckon ?...go and have cup of coffee Paul, you're getting silly.


Why would I need or want coffee Peter? You're assuming I drunk right?? Hahha sorry mate , I don't drink any more, being silly , ya there some of that in today's posts , highlighting the absurd with great degrees of absurdity.

What ever happened at our embassy in your country the other day, (I won't say yesterday as someone will say it was the day before therefore I'm wrong , lol, you guys are quite clever like that) but it must have been much to do about nothing or a big cover up is going on as Goggling it doesn't bring much news on what went on in Oz , the head line has Australia in it , but the news reports I get talk about other countries. Vast left wing conspiracy? More than likely LOL

BrianW
09-16-2012, 08:15 PM
Paul...

Remember, the OP was a farce. Stop trying to defend against it's stupidity.

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 08:18 PM
Paul.

For your benefit .... a coffee because you sound overexcited, a break and a lie down might be good. No , I didn't assume you were drunk.

What happened in Australia? Some hot heads who have been very professionally wound up by someone in California had a fight with the police, some have been arrested with more to follow. I very much doubt these blokes fall under the heading of "socialists", in fact I would be prepared to put a few dollars on it. "Islamic hotheads", "religious radicals" "idiots" might apply but I see very little evidence of socialism in the little riot we had. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it unless of course no evidence is proof of a vast left wing conspiracy !:d

You forgot the smiley when you said that but I'm sure you aren't fool enough to think that lack of evidence of something is proof of a conspiracy...you might like to extrapolate that one.

Durnik
09-16-2012, 08:48 PM
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/man-facing-jail-for-hosting-home-bible-study.html

http://stevenbirnspeaks.com/2012/07/07/anti-christian-persecution-on-the-rise-in-the-us/

There's other examples , but see it as you will , oh and I'm sure you'll kick the Fox news one out , so why bother on my part , your right liberals embrace everyone equally , very saint like.

No problem - I just googled 'phoenix man todd starnes', found the story was about a man named Michael Salman, googled he - & found this (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/07/michael_salman_is_not_in_jail.php)


Despite what's being said by Fox News and Christian news outlets about Phoenix pastor Michael Salman, he's not in jail for hosting bible studies at his place.

The former gang member is in jail for breaking the law -- again.

Salman told the City of Phoenix twice that he wasn't building a church in his backyard, then went ahead and built a church that was found responsible for 96 civil code violations, most of them related to how much of a fire hazard the building was.

There's been so much B.S. from Salman and his supporters about how he's being persecuted for his religion that the city has actually put out a fact sheet explaining Salman's disregard for city ordinances, his decision to ignore the repeated warnings from the city, and how this whole mess has absolutely nothing to do with Salman's religion.

Salman told the city in 2007 that he was building a garage in his backyard. He did not build a garage in his backyard.

"Mr. Salman had regular gatherings of up to 80 people," the city says. "He held services twice a week and collected a tithe at the services. The building that he held services in had a dais and chairs were aligned in a pew formation. He held himself out as a being a church through the media (Harvest Christian Church) and claimed a church status for tax exemption purposes on his property."

That's a church.

Then Salman got a permit to have a "game room" in his backyard -- one that said "[a]ny other occupancy or use (business, commercial, assembly, church, etc.) is expressly prohibited."

Surprise -- no games were played. It was still a church.

By January 2010, the city found the church responsible for the 96 code violations, and in August 2010, he was found guilty of 67 misdemeanors -- to add to his rap sheet, next to his 1993 conviction for a drive-by shooting, and another time he was booked into jail for impersonating a police officer.

Salman's fought and fought his conviction -- still trying to claim his First Amendment right to practice his religion has been violated -- and believe it or not, his challenges never work.

Salman started his 60-day jail sentence on Monday

Amazingly enough you don't know what you are talking about.

Oh, looky here!


http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Paul Girouard http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?p=3535098#post3535098)

I don't know..

Well, you got _that_ right!

BTW, "anti-christian persecution on the rise in the us" technically means that the persecution of anti-christians is on the rise.. & you are correct! Bet that's _not_ what you (or the author) meant, eh? ;-)

I see Flying Orca posted the Michael Salman info - still, I figure Paul could use more clarification.. not that it's likely he'll pay attention.

enjoy
bobby

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 08:53 PM
Paul.

For your benefit .... a coffee because you sound overexcited, a break and a lie down might be good. No , I didn't assume you were drunk.

What happened in Australia? Some hot heads who have been very professionally wound up by someone in California had a fight with the police, some have been arrested with more to follow. I very much doubt these blokes fall under the heading of "socialists", in fact I would be prepared to put a few dollars on it. "Islamic hotheads", "religious radicals" "idiots" might apply but I see very little evidence of socialism in the little riot we had. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it unless of course no evidence is proof of a vast left wing conspiracy !:d

You forgot the smiley when you said that but I'm sure you aren't fool enough to think that lack of evidence of something is proof of a conspiracy...you might like to extrapolate that one.

Ah, you where the one who said they where socialist, not me. You may have been mixing some thing up that I said , but I didn't say the people involved in Australia where socialist.

I'm not in anyway "overexcited" just having some fun with my liberal "friends" .

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 08:59 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PeterSibley http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?p=3535164#post3535164)
Hilarious !! one of the funniest things I've read this week. You wouldn't recognise socialism is it bit you on the bum .:D



"Prolly not I'm so &^%$*&^% stupid! You guys burn down our embassy yesterday ? Whats up with that?"

Mate, you have to change your brands of what ever it is that inspires these enthusiasms .

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 09:18 PM
Prolly not I'm so &^%$*&^% stupid! You guys burn down our embassy yesterday ? Whats up with that?


Socialists burned your embassy ? Ya reckon ?...go and have cup of coffee Paul, you're getting silly.

So your claiming Australia is a socialist country and the people involved where socialist, then in your other post you flip to them being Muslim "extremist".

By connection when I say "You guys" I mean Australians, you counter with Socialist blab , blab , I read you mean your countrymen / fellow Aussie's , indicating you claim Australians are socialist . Is that right?

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Here's what I found to define a socialist country , I'm sure my link will be inferior to any other definition or criteria that others may find.


Answer There are probably no countries in the world today which could truly be called "Socialist." To be so would require that the people owned, managed, and enjoyed the earnings of all the country's industry. A rather Utopian ideal which never has occurred in the real world, although the Communist bloc pretended its countries were so organized.
Contrary to the common misconception in the USA, Sweden is not a Socialist Country. It has one of the world's oldest stock exchanges and the ownership of businesses and industry is exchanged daily and just as robustly as on the New York Stock Exchange in the USA. Except for some minor extraction industries, and some public transportation, all Swedish businesses and industry are in private hands. Current estimate would be that over 95% of industry is in private hands, which is about where it is in the USA. The major "Socialized" industry is the health care sector. While the USA has a large socialized health care sector under Medicare (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) and medical care for members of the Military families and for Veterans, the Swedish system is more extensive. However, the USA has a larger public transit sector.
Were I asked to speculate on which European country was the most Socialist, I would guess Norway for the simple reason that a large part of its oil and gas (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) industry is State owned. So far the profits from that industry seem to have been directed to the general welfare of the populace.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world#ixzz 26gpoRlJD

Osborne Russell
09-16-2012, 09:30 PM
Would the liberals "fight" as hard, or at all , for a Christian churches right to build at ground zero, IF it was a Christian church instead of a Mosque that was to be built?

There's no need to fight for it, because it isn't under attack. You have been frightened by right wing propaganda. You're being manipulated.

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 09:33 PM
There's no need to fight for it, because it isn't under attack. You have been frightened by right wing propaganda. You're being manipulated.


Creep , creep. A slow "attack" that never stops , it's just happy to nibble away , no rush, plenty of time , like the tide.

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 09:41 PM
So your claiming Australia is a socialist country and the people involved where socialist, then in your other post you flip to them being Muslim "extremist".

By connection when I say "You guys" I mean Australians, you counter with Socialist blab , blab , I read you mean your countrymen / fellow Aussie's , indicating you claim Australians are socialist . Is that right?


Here's what I found to define a socialist country , I'm sure my link will be inferior to any other definition or criteria that others may find.


Answer

There are probably no countries in the world today which could truly be called "Socialist." To be so would require that the people owned, managed, and enjoyed the earnings of all the country's industry. A rather Utopian ideal which never has occurred in the real world, although the Communist bloc pretended its countries were so organized.
Contrary to the common misconception in the USA, Sweden is not a Socialist Country. It has one of the world's oldest stock exchanges and the ownership of businesses and industry is exchanged daily and just as robustly as on the New York Stock Exchange in the USA. Except for some minor extraction industries, and some public transportation, all Swedish businesses and industry are in private hands. Current estimate would be that over 95% of industry is in private hands, which is about where it is in the USA. The major "Socialized" industry is the health care sector. While the USA has a large socialized health care sector under Medicare (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) and medical care for members of the Military families and for Veterans, the Swedish system is more extensive. However, the USA has a larger public transit sector.
Were I asked to speculate on which European country was the most Socialist, I would guess Norway for the simple reason that a large part of its oil and gas (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) industry is State owned. So far the profits from that industry seem to have been directed to the general welfare of the populace.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world#ixzz 26gpoRlJD



By your definition we are socialist and I might say it's a very gentle definition , were is the evil you see there Paul ?

Dan McCosh
09-16-2012, 10:50 PM
Here's what I found to define a socialist country , I'm sure my link will be inferior to any other definition or criteria that others may find.


Answer There are probably no countries in the world today which could truly be called "Socialist." To be so would require that the people owned, managed, and enjoyed the earnings of all the country's industry. A rather Utopian ideal which never has occurred in the real world, although the Communist bloc pretended its countries were so organized.
Contrary to the common misconception in the USA, Sweden is not a Socialist Country. It has one of the world's oldest stock exchanges and the ownership of businesses and industry is exchanged daily and just as robustly as on the New York Stock Exchange in the USA. Except for some minor extraction industries, and some public transportation, all Swedish businesses and industry are in private hands. Current estimate would be that over 95% of industry is in private hands, which is about where it is in the USA. The major "Socialized" industry is the health care sector. While the USA has a large socialized health care sector under Medicare (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) and medical care for members of the Military families and for Veterans, the Swedish system is more extensive. However, the USA has a larger public transit sector.
Were I asked to speculate on which European country was the most Socialist, I would guess Norway for the simple reason that a large part of its oil and gas (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world&altQ=What_are_some_socialist_countries_in_thte_wor ld#) industry is State owned. So far the profits from that industry seem to have been directed to the general welfare of the populace.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_socialist_countries_in_the_world#ixzz 26gpoRlJD
Then there is Ontario, with public schools, health care, and state-owned Casinos.

PeterSibley
09-16-2012, 10:53 PM
It's such a NICE friendly definition yet Paul apparently sees evil therein, I'm still confused .

Paul Girouard
09-16-2012, 11:34 PM
It's such a NICE friendly definition yet Paul apparently sees evil therein, I'm still confused .

Join the club, so why did your socialist Australian Muslims attack or protest with vigor , the USA embassy in Australia?

PeterSibley
09-17-2012, 12:48 AM
Join the club, so why did your socialist Australian Muslims attack or protest with vigor , the USA embassy in Australia?

Oh ! That's easy , it's all part of the RMLA (Radical Muslim Liberal Alliance) a shadowy little known group gnawing at the bones of USA thermonuclear superiority. *



* It is however a shake relationship, the radical religious right of Islam and the remaining shards of Marxist Leninist orthodoxy . Sometimes they disagree .