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John Smith
07-27-2012, 07:17 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/#48361131

Sad, very sad.

BrianW
07-28-2012, 12:52 AM
Too sad to post details.

Tom Montgomery
07-28-2012, 01:57 AM
Wow.

Paul Pless
07-28-2012, 07:19 AM
Too sad to post details.+ 1

Garret
07-28-2012, 07:33 AM
If you don't want to look - it's about another Romney ad that takes Obama statements out of context (you can even see the choppiness from the editing). IOW - Romney campaign lying again.

Things are definitely sinking to new lows.

Paul Pless
07-28-2012, 07:37 AM
Things are definitely sinking to new lows.Surely you jest.

skuthorp
07-28-2012, 07:46 AM
Predictable, probably just reinforce views already held. Parties and politicians should all be held responsible under misleading advertising and fraud laws. And if it's an 'independent' ad then the perps certainly should.
I know I know, freedom of speech and all that. But if a party wins on a lie the election should be declared invalid.

Bob Adams
07-28-2012, 08:39 AM
If my side does it it's spin, if the other side does it it's a lie. Just sayin.

Garret
07-28-2012, 09:01 AM
Surely you jest.

Well - prolly nothing compares with the late 1800's - but today's technology that lets one edit video so easily certainly offers opportunities for those who are intellectually dishonest.

Willin'
07-28-2012, 09:06 AM
As pointed out in the interview, the target demographic of those ads isn't you and me, it's the 6% undecided that aren't paying attention (the implication here is that they aren't exactly thoughtful folk). These are the people that will watch the ad and actually believe the tripe being presented.

That's dangerous.

John Smith
07-28-2012, 09:14 AM
Predictable, probably just reinforce views already held. Parties and politicians should all be held responsible under misleading advertising and fraud laws. And if it's an 'independent' ad then the perps certainly should.
I know I know, freedom of speech and all that. But if a party wins on a lie the election should be declared invalid.

First, I apologize for not adding to the OP, but I got a phone call from an old friend.

For some time I have been a lone voice it wanting legislation that requires all of this stuff to be accurate insofar as the facts presented. I keep running into the "free speech" argument, and that has been distorted and misconstrued nearly as much as the 2nd amendment. We acknowlege it is not free speech to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Fraud, Libel, and Slander are also illegal speech. "Fraud" is the misrepresentation of matters of fact for personal gain.

I've been asking what good is having the right to know, if not the truth, and if those providing us with information have no obligation to tell us the truth.

I would love to see who would stand on the floor of the House or Senate and speak against telling the people the truth.

For all the media talking heads and their opinions as to why Kerry lost, I think it comes down to his simple failure to take a few minutes and explain his two votes for the $87 million for body armor. "I voted for it before I voted against it" IMO, did him in. He had voted for it when it was paid for and against it when it was not paid for. He never made a serious effort to make that case.

Now we have edited statements, a number of them already, that totally lie about what Obama actually said. I have no idea what the Obama campaign people will do, but if I were in their shoes, I'd run ads that simply were the entire, in context, statement in an effort to show the public how seriously they've been mislead.

This is extremely serious stuff because it may well work. It may convince enough of those "middle" voters to vote for Romney. That combined with the new voter laws may well decide this election.

As long as we accept this as free speech, we get what we deserve.

We need to move from "I approved this message" to "I certify this message is factually correct and nothing has been taken out of context."

I posted elsewhere a segment of Fox where the previous out of context ad was discussed and if one only watches Fox, one has no idea anything was taken out of context.

Keith Wilson
07-28-2012, 09:33 AM
One would think that if Mr Obama is really anywhere near as bad as the Republicans like to portray him, they wouldn't have to rely on out-of-context quotes, particularly ones where the meaning they try to give them is explicitly contradicted when the quote is put in context.

Those running Mr Romney's campaign appear to have a lot of trouble with facts. It is, alas, not even close to symmetrical. Obama's campaign weaves and dodges and spins and puts the best possible interpretation on things. Romney's campaign all too often simply lies, and goes on repeating the lie even after it's been exposed. I've seen a lot of campaigns, and I honestly don't remember one that showed quite this degree of disregard for the truth.

John Smith
07-28-2012, 09:38 AM
One would think that if Mr Obama is really anywhere near as bad as the Republicans like to portray him, they wouldn't have to rely on out-of-context quotes, particularly ones where the meaning they try to give them is explicitly contradicted when the quote is put in context.

Those running Mr Romney's campaign appear to have a lot of trouble with facts. It is, alas, not even close to symmetrical. Obama's campaign weaves and dodges and spins and puts the best possible interpretation on things. Romney's campaign all too often simply lies, and goes on repeating the lie even after it's been exposed. I've seen a lot of campaigns, and I honestly don't remember one that showed quite this degree of disregard for the truth.

I long ago lost count of the emails I've been sent telling me something about Obama that simply wasn't true and responded with proof it wasn't true and suggested he must be a pretty good president if they have to lie so much.

Willin'
07-28-2012, 12:11 PM
No wonder Romney keeps justifying his not presenting old income tax data with his 'not wanting to give the dems any more ammo to distort about me' line, given his campain's mo.

John Smith
07-28-2012, 12:15 PM
That's our country today. Hardly something to be proud of.

David G
07-28-2012, 12:16 PM
If my side does it it's spin, if the other side does it it's a lie. Just sayin.

Horsehockey - I don't want the bs from Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Socialists, or any party whatsoever. I like the notion of making 'truth in advertising' laws applicable to campaign advertising.

Nicholas Scheuer
07-28-2012, 12:26 PM
Repubs do not have a clue what "context is".

wardd
07-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Repubs do not have a clue what "context is".

they spell it contax

Phillip Allen
07-28-2012, 12:31 PM
after reading along here I am thinking of calling lie on all the bilge rats who take my posts out of context... anyone wanna bet the liar will push the button for that?

wardd
07-28-2012, 12:34 PM
after reading along here I am thinking of calling lie on my posts ...

why did you post this?

2MeterTroll
07-28-2012, 12:36 PM
since not all of us can see the vid maybe you can share what was out of context.

by the way the tea-party spells it cotex and thinks you buy it in the paper products isle at wall-mart.

Garret
07-28-2012, 12:38 PM
But there's a string attached......

:(

2MeterTroll
07-28-2012, 12:47 PM
:rolleyes: dont tell the kochs.


But there's a string attached......

:(

Garret
07-28-2012, 12:51 PM
since not all of us can see the vid maybe you can share what was out of context.
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A very quick synopsis: Obama was talking about jobs & prosperity during the Clinton years (and how good it was) & the Romney boys cut up the video to make it sound as if he were talking about now.

Just what I want - a president who'll change a quote & say FTFY..... As Phillip said, plenty do that here - but at least here people note that they have & add a smiley. Doing this in a campaign ad is despicable.

ChrisBen
07-28-2012, 01:00 PM
I like the one where they have the video snippit of Hillary rebuking Obama (from 2007 ?) as if it was something she said about one of his current policies. :D