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PhaseLockedLoop
07-24-2012, 12:43 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/07/24/us/GUNS-2.html

Why do they do this?

htom
07-24-2012, 12:49 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/07/24/us/GUNS-2.html

Why do they do this?

To keep us bitter and clingy? I sometimes think they're proud of their ignorance.

BrianW
07-24-2012, 12:50 AM
Because they are a lot of ignorant, and a bit of stupid.

wardd
07-24-2012, 12:56 AM
doesn't look like the 1911 i carried

why do they do this?

PhaseLockedLoop
07-24-2012, 01:03 AM
I sometimes think they're proud of their ignorance.

I agree with you. Liberals feel about guns the way conservatives used to feel about communism. The only way to staY pure is to know as little as possible and be proud they don't know more.

PhaseLockedLoop
07-24-2012, 01:06 AM
it's not parkerized... it's a civilian model and CERTAINLY not a plastic Glock!!!

It's a tricked out 1911 .45, bevertail grip safety with speed bump and widened mag well.

wardd
07-24-2012, 01:09 AM
I agree with you. Liberals feel about guns the way conservatives used to feel about communism. The only way to staY pure is to know as little as possible and be proud they don't know more.

when was the last time someone in a crowd holding a communist killed anyone with it?

you don't need to know how to produce a gun to know they can kill

i bet i know more about about how guns are made than some so called gun experts here

seanz
07-24-2012, 01:24 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/07/24/us/GUNS-2.html

Why do they do this?

For pretty much the same reason that they'd spell your name next to a picture of you as "LasePhockedPool", and then get your age wrong.



Ironically, the reason I know as much about modern firearms as I do (besides this place) is from reading stories in the papers that didn't ring true and then doing my own research online.

So, it's not all bad.........

wardd
07-24-2012, 01:26 AM
I don't know the LAST time but Pol Pot comes to mind... how about the Hürtgen Forest
? what about the engineered starvation of the Russian peasants? How about Vietnam (unified) starving the south? How about N. Korea starving it’s own people?

You cannot be that stupid, ya jest kaint!

and all had major firepower smuggled into them

go play with your guns and fantasize while i sit here and giggle at you

you and your personal arsenal pose no threat to the government

seanz
07-24-2012, 01:30 AM
I don't know the LAST time but Pol Pot comes to mind... how about the Hürtgen Forest
? what about the engineered starvation of the Russian peasants? How about Vietnam (unified) starving the south? How about N. Korea starving it’s own people?

How about Cuba having less human rights violations than the USA? Just made that up, but it's probably true.

What really springs to mind is the denial of the connection between the weapons industry, the 2nd amendment and the rate of gunshot deaths in the USA.


You cannot be that stupid, ya jest kaint!

Why not? There's a lot of it about.

BrianW
07-24-2012, 01:39 AM
i bet i know more about about how guns are made than some so called gun experts here

Is this about IQ's again?

wardd
07-24-2012, 01:44 AM
Is this about IQ's again?

i once worked for beretta in accokeek in the tooling shop making fixtures and gauges

once made a silencer for a mg-42

guy came into the shop i was working in with a demilled frame and barrel bushing to use for a sample to mount it too

wardd
07-24-2012, 01:57 AM
isn't that the one that all the soldiers complain about?

at the time baretta didn't care they were getting about $180 for a pistol going to the military and over $500 for the civilian market so production disruptions worked in their favor

the workmanship in the pistol was superb any problems were in the design, one being the slide cracking

another being someone could grab the slide and pull it forward and off the frame

i was pleased with the quality of the machining

now the italians had a more relaxed attitude about tooling as all the italian tooling supplied had to be replaced to bring it up to gov standards

johnw
07-24-2012, 02:07 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/07/24/us/GUNS-2.html

Why do they do this?

These days, copy editors work on tight deadlines, and constantly update websites. Plus the ones working in New York are unlikely to be gun buffs.

I sold the NYT a picture once, and forgot to send the cutlines with the film. I called, got the copy editor, and when he heard the problem, he was in a panic. I calmly told him which picture he would want to use and what the cutline should say, and that picture appeared with that cultine, but if I'd given him the wrong information, would he know?

Keep in mind that most people in this country don't know much about guns. Few of them are as likely to have their ignorance exposed as the photographer and copy editor who conspired to write that cutline.

Waddie
07-24-2012, 03:52 AM
The firearm pictured HAS to be a Glock 40.... They taught us in journalism class that the NYT's is the "newspaper of record" so they couldn't possibly be wrong. They have a high standard and responsibility to up-hold. If they're wrong who can you trust????

regards,
Waddie

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 06:54 AM
Because they are a lot of ignorant, and a bit of stupid.

Bdub are you for real ??????

The New York Times (NYT) is an American daily newspaper founded and continuously published in New York City since 1851. The New York Times has won 108 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any news organization.

They make an error on naming one firearm and in all likelihood will print or post a retraction and you guys are up in arms over a single photo title and want to trash THE ENTIRE NYT why ? Awwwww because conservatives HATE the NYT they would rather get their unbiased "facts" from journalists with integrity like Fox News, or the NY POST, or online sources like Newsmax. Even though their Pulitzer shelfs are less filled.

You gun nuts kill me - no seriously KILL me. You are so enamored with your KILLING machines that if one bang bang is not labeled oh so lustfully correct you snort wheeze and gasp and whine. God forbid Someone would get some fact wrong about your beloved M1911 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge, which served as the standard-issue side arm for the United States armed forces from 1911 to 1985. AND PROBABLY USED TO TEAR A HUGE HOLE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMANS. show me a photo that's mis labeled that's done that ?

Just so you know too most of us non gun nuts you all sound like a bunch of stamp collectors at a convention talking about how the damn commie rag mag, "stamp collecting monthly" had the audacity to post a photo of the upside-down airplane stamp right side up GASP. Except with stamp collecting nuts when they lick a stamp it doesn't blow a flesh tearing hole through the person in front of them.

Seriously gun nuts get real mis labeling a photo is not the end of the world. To most of us it's a dithering tool that was designed to kill people the quickest and most efficient way possible. We just had a mass KILLING in a movie theater with several types of fire arms. Would you scoff if you were crawling around on the floor of that theater and the person next to you said OMG it looks like he's shooting a Glock .40, would you look at him as bullets are piercing innocent people and go OMG you IGNORANT LEFT WING FOOL DON'T YOU KNOW THAT'S A M1911 bevertail grip safety with speed bump and widened mag well.

Paul Pless
07-24-2012, 07:14 AM
your beloved M1911 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge, which served as the standard-issue side arm for the United States armed forces from 1911 to 1985. Damn right beloved, its my favourite firearm design - even though beyond collecting and target shooting I have little use for one. John Moses Browning's greatest design. . .



<I bet your tone of derision changes when the zombie apocalypse occurs>

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 07:20 AM
Paul you so eloquently forgot to qote my entire section. Let me FTFY

AND PROBABLY USED TO TEAR A HUGE HOLE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMANS. show me a photo that's mis labeled that's done that ?

But Hey I've held one, shot one ( ITS A LOUD BANG BANG ) but sorry if I see one mislabeled I don't loose my mind.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
07-24-2012, 07:35 AM
Bdub are you for real ??????

The New York Times (NYT) is an American daily newspaper founded and continuously published in New York City since 1851. The New York Times has won 108 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any news organization.

They make an error on naming one firearm and in all likelihood will print or post a retraction and you guys are up in arms over a single photo title and want to trash THE ENTIRE NYT why ? Awwwww because conservatives HATE the NYT they would rather get their unbiased "facts" from journalists with integrity like Fox News, or the NY POST, or online sources like Newsmax. Even though their Pulitzer shelfs are less filled.

You gun nuts kill me - no seriously KILL me. You are so enamored with your KILLING machines that if one bang bang is not labeled oh so lustfully correct you snort wheeze and gasp and whine. God forbid Someone would get some fact wrong about your beloved M1911 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge, which served as the standard-issue side arm for the United States armed forces from 1911 to 1985. AND PROBABLY USED TO TEAR A HUGE HOLE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMANS. show me a photo that's mis labeled that's done that ?

Just so you know too most of us non gun nuts you all sound like a bunch of stamp collectors at a convention talking about how the damn commie rag mag, "stamp collecting monthly" had the audacity to post a photo of the upside-down airplane stamp right side up GASP. Except with stamp collecting nuts when they lick a stamp it doesn't blow a flesh tearing hole through the person in front of them.

Seriously gun nuts get real mis labeling a photo is not the end of the world. To most of us it's a dithering tool that was designed to kill people the quickest and most efficient way possible. We just had a mass KILLING in a movie theater with several types of fire arms. Would you scoff if you were crawling around on the floor of that theater and the person next to you said OMG it looks like he's shooting a Glock .40, would you look at him as bullets are piercing innocent people and go OMG you IGNORANT LEFT WING FOOL DON'T YOU KNOW THAT'S A M1911 bevertail grip safety with speed bump and widened mag well.

+1.

And there was I thinking the whole of the States was surreal..

Nicholas Scheuer
07-24-2012, 07:55 AM
Among people having only a superficial knowlege of guns, they are very likely more familiar with the name "Glock" than with "Colt 1911". Glock seems to be the predominant brand in the streets, and what's happening int he streets is what we read about in newspapers.

When I was a kid we called the 1911 a "Colt 45 Automatic", which was sometimes confused with the "Colt 45 Revolver" we always saw in the western movies. Show a kid a 45 Revolver today ahd they'll just call it a "Big MF". The punks popping off 9mm rounds late at night probably wouldn't be able to hold onto a 45 if they pulled the trigger.

This LIBERAL's knowlege of firearms is by no means comprehensive, but I've always liked guns, and have no worries about Obama.

Tom Hunter
07-24-2012, 08:05 AM
They make photo ID errors from time to time, if you email them about it they will correct the caption. I spotted an error on the Disunion feature on the civil war and the photo was gone in about an hour.

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 08:12 AM
NO!!!!!!! Tom it's Because they are a lot of ignorant, and a bit of stupid. Yeah yeah that's damn commie rag no no no maybe they do it on purpose GASP it's a left wing plot.

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 08:16 AM
Awwwww Shucks

Paul Pless
07-24-2012, 08:22 AM
Glock seems to be the predominant brand in the streets, and what's happening int he streets is what we read about in newspapers. Doubt it. Glocks are relatively expensive, street guns are usually cheap. There's probably a perception error in many that any black plastic gun is a Glock.

Nicholas Scheuer
07-24-2012, 08:42 AM
Around here "glock" is almost a generic name for a 9mm automatic pistol.

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 09:07 AM
perhaps among the less informed people

http://www.logisticsnews.com/jennystamp.jpg

David W Pratt
07-24-2012, 09:52 AM
Sloppy journalism, it takes about 90 seconds to Google up an image of a .40 cal Glock, and I type slow.

Garret
07-24-2012, 10:12 AM
No one here's ever made a mistake? Must be nice to be perfect.

As far as the "Liberals feel about guns the way conservatives used to feel about communism" line from PLL goes: horsefeathers & doing nothing but showing your iggerence & prejudice. BTW - your darlings in DC still haven't learned what a communist or socialist is - so don't go throwing bullpucky like this around - it just ends up on your face.

Waddie
07-24-2012, 10:19 AM
Sloppy journalism, it takes about 90 seconds to Google up an image of a .40 cal Glock, and I type slow.

+1... What's significant to me about this particular mistake is that it was so easily avoidable. If they can't get something this easy correct, what else are they getting wrong that isn't so glaring, but may be much more important? And I would think this about most any news outlet. I have often read stories where I knew firsthand exactly what happened and yet the media got much of it wrong.

regards,
Waddie

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 10:27 AM
How many photos do you think the NYT has printed in 161 years ? How many captions and retractions have they printed ? Just wondering.

Cuyahoga Chuck
07-24-2012, 10:28 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/07/24/us/GUNS-2.html

Why do they do this?

The NYT is a newspaper ,booger, not an arm of "Guns and Ammo".
The NYT has to put out a new addition each and every day so minor details can get lost in the process. Lately there have been a lot of momentous events needing to be reported on that are a bit more important than that gun picture.
It has to be added The New York Times is one of the premier newspapers in all the world. Reading it on a regular basis will make you smarter if you don't get brain lock over one piss ant mistake.

The New York Times is VERY good about correcting it's mistakes. Every issue has a "corrections" column on page 2 of section A.

David W Pratt
07-24-2012, 10:43 AM
I think the point people are making is that the mistake is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of "gun literacy" (if there is such a term) that the inference is that the article was written by someone deeply ignorant about the salient issues involved in gun ownership. And the logical follow on is, why assign someone so ignorant to the story?
The Science Times in contradistinction has extremely knowledgeable writers, e.g. William Broad, Gina Kolata, et al.

Rich Jones
07-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Being a proper liberal :d, I wouldn't know one handgun from another. It's just not my thing. But, I can understand where you guys are coming from. What really burns my biscuits, though, is when a paper publishes a picture of something nautical and gets it all wrong. Now, THAT'S really important!

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 10:58 AM
David, whats your Greek art history like ? I mean anyone with a modicum of Greek Cultural literacy could tell that the first photo is kouros which first appear in the Archaic period in Greece. Freestanding Sculpture Early classical statuary represents a complete break with the rigid, unnatural Egyptian inspired poses used by archaic sculptors in their kouroi. There is a new concern to render the human form in natural poses that illustrate how a human actually stands.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Kouros_anavissos.jpg

While this second photo is OBVIOUSLY Hellenistic period note Hellenistic sculpture repeats the innovations of the "second classicism": perfect sculpture-in-the-round, allowing the statue to be admired from all angles; study of draping and effects of transparency of clothing; suppleness of poses. Thus, Venus de Milo, even while echoing a classic model, is distinguished by the twist of her hips.

http://www.westcler.org/GH/curlessmatt/arthistory/4/PolykleitosDoryphoros.jpg

Obviouse you would have to be an utter idiot not to see the difference

I apologize in advance to Awww Shucks if our IQ is showing ;)

Garret
07-24-2012, 11:00 AM
Obviously you would have to be an utter idiot not to see the difference

Well duh, he got a haircut before the 2nd one was done! :p

Paul Pless
07-24-2012, 11:08 AM
There is a new concern to render the human form in natural poses that illustrate how a human actually stands.

How 'bout this statue of total badass John Basilone?

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/sneezehorse1/hike306%209-9-7/031.jpg

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 11:13 AM
Well that right hand looks about twice the size of his head, I guess that's one bad ass right hand. Other than that it's kinda ehhh if you like the Rambo school of sculpture ;)

Edited to add: it has a little Stalin era Socialist Realism in his look. ;)

ljb5
07-24-2012, 11:57 AM
I think the point people are making is that the mistake is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of "gun literacy" (if there is such a term) that the inference is that the article was written by someone deeply ignorant about the salient issues involved in gun ownership. And the logical follow on is, why assign someone so ignorant to the story?

Apparently, some people are ignorant about the way newspapers work.

It's very likely -- almost a certainty -- that the person who wrote the story is not the same person who selected the image or wrote the caption.

Obviously, the photo editor should have done a better job, but that doesn't really reflect on the content of the article.

It seems to me that if anyone is really interested in if the "the article was written by someone deeply ignorant about the salient issues involved in gun ownership"... the smart thing to do would be to READ THE ARTICLE.

Has anyone done that?

David W Pratt
07-24-2012, 12:35 PM
My point exactly, Joe, you would be a much better choice to write about those Greek statues, than I, and an editor who chose me to so do would either get inaccurate schlock on deadline, or something mediocre accurate in a month.

htom
07-24-2012, 12:46 PM
Joe -- this photo error is like captioning a photo of a '64 Lotus Europa "Chevy Pickup". Some things are really obvious to some people, other things are really obvious to other people. The NYT is supposed to be above such errors.

ljb5
07-24-2012, 12:49 PM
In case anyone is interested, the article has been corrected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/us/aurora-gunmans-lethal-arsenal.html?_r=1


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: July 24, 2012


A picture published with an earlier version of this article was published in error. It showed a Colt .45, a weapon that was not used in the shooting; it is not a Glock .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol.

wardd
07-24-2012, 12:55 PM
at short range which kills deader, the glock or the 1911?

wardd
07-24-2012, 12:58 PM
at best it's a modified copy of a 1911

please get it right

Paul Pless
07-24-2012, 12:59 PM
at short range which kills deader, the glock or the 1911?Now you're trying to start a real argument! Between the two, I prefer a 230 grain bullet trucking along at a little 800 fps. . .

wardd
07-24-2012, 01:19 PM
The 45, extensive testing was done durring the Phillipine American war on the Moro gurrillas...........

really?

Cuyahoga Chuck
07-24-2012, 01:21 PM
Sloppy journalism, it takes about 90 seconds to Google up an image of a .40 cal Glock, and I type slow.

Well, at least we know what your concept of journalism is.

Cuyahoga Chuck
07-24-2012, 01:27 PM
Joe -- this photo error is like captioning a photo of a '64 Lotus Europa "Chevy Pickup". Some things are really obvious to some people, other things are really obvious to other people. The NYT is supposed to be above such errors.

Horror of horrors! A mistake! A palpable mistake! As God is in his heaven they must pay for this!

htom
07-24-2012, 01:33 PM
Horror of horrors! A mistake! A palpable mistake! As God is in his heaven they must pay for this!

Sometimes reducing the world to cars does help; but it makes me wonder what else they've gotten glaringly wrong, things that I don't have at least a passing acquaintance with. Joe's statues, for example. I can see they're different, but I could not identify either of them accurately.

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 01:59 PM
In case anyone is interested, the article has been corrected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/us/aurora-gunmans-lethal-arsenal.html?_r=1

Anyone catch this ? Or do we need to continue ?

htom
07-24-2012, 02:02 PM
Yes, there's now a correction. However, the thumbnail on the story in Facebook is a different version of the same .45's photo and still labeled ".40 Glock". Left hand, right hand, who's in charge there?

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 02:06 PM
Omg it's still out there incorrectly on social media GASP. That's it I'm canceling my NYT subscription.

bobbys
07-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Is Jason Blair working there again?

Phillip Allen
07-24-2012, 02:13 PM
it seems the times is indifferent to its own ignorance... sorta like some kid saying "whatever"

wardd
07-24-2012, 02:16 PM
it seems the times is indifferent to its own ignorance... sorta like some kid saying "whatever"

when are you going to go back and correct all your erroneous posts?

BrianW
07-24-2012, 02:18 PM
What the hell is this...

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSN6AW00o_A-YxNJETeywu9-8ulJCavYk3wCIB3e77KIttQqpQG

Joe (SoCal)
07-24-2012, 02:21 PM
it seems the times is indifferent to its own ignorance... sorta like some kid saying "whatever"

Awww shucks your IQ is showing ;)

BrianW
07-24-2012, 02:23 PM
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: July 24, 2012


A picture published with an earlier version of this article was published in error. It showed a Colt .45, a weapon that was not used in the shooting; it is not a Glock .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol.

Man, when I think of Colt .45, I think of a revolver. But it could be a Colt. I wonder how they know, since there are no markings, other than "45 ACP"?

I get the feeling, even the correction is not much better than an educated guess.

Iceboy
07-24-2012, 02:24 PM
ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol even though the one pictured is most likely not a Colt.
Man, when I think of Colt .45, I think of a revolver. But it could be a Colt. I wonder how they know, since there are no markings, other than "45 ACP"?

I get the feeling, even the correction is not much better than an educated guess.

wardd
07-24-2012, 02:28 PM
ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol even though the one pictured is most likely not a Colt.

you mean they've been getting it wrong?

BrianW
07-24-2012, 02:37 PM
ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol even though the one pictured is most likely not a Colt.


you mean they've been getting it wrong?

I agree that ACP stands for Automatic Colt Pistol. However, the correction did not use the term 45 ACP, it said "45 Colt." Type "45 colt ammo" into Google, and see what come up. For my computer, it's mostly the revolver 45 Long Colt ammo. Not ammo for the pistol in the picture.

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/cheap-colt-long-colt-pistol-ammo-sale-online-discount-prices-c-10480_14658_14743_14909_14760.html

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/ammo-pistol-45-colt.aspx?c=95&s=880&stk=1

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=8

I still think the correction is a lame guess, and only half correct.

johnw
07-24-2012, 03:23 PM
Joe -- this photo error is like captioning a photo of a '64 Lotus Europa "Chevy Pickup". Some things are really obvious to some people, other things are really obvious to other people. The NYT is supposed to be above such errors.

No, it's more like saying a photo of a Nissan pickup is a photo of a Chevy pickup. And the Europa didn't go into production until 1966, so since you made a mistake, you must be a terrible, terrible, ignorant person, by your standards. By mine, you're quite competent but made a minor error.

Paul Pless
07-24-2012, 03:24 PM
Man, when I think of Colt .45, I think of a revolver.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/hardees_badthings/image/colt_45.jpg

wardd
07-24-2012, 03:36 PM
what makes a m-1911 a m-1911?

htom
07-24-2012, 05:14 PM
No, it's more like saying a photo of a Nissan pickup is a photo of a Chevy pickup. And the Europa didn't go into production until 1966, so since you made a mistake, you must be a terrible, terrible, ignorant person, by your standards. By mine, you're quite competent but made a minor error.

You're right. I always think the first Europas were the GT40s, but those were Lolas.

johnw
07-24-2012, 05:18 PM
You're right. I always think the first Europas were the GT40s, but those were Lolas.

Monsieur is pleased to be jocose!



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/GT40_at_Goodwood.jpg/250px-GT40_at_Goodwood.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GT40_at_Goodwood.jpg)


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McMike
07-24-2012, 05:30 PM
I agree with you. Liberals feel about guns the way conservatives used to feel about communism. The only way to staY pure is to know as little as possible and be proud they don't know more.

Nah, See, guns are a part of a real problem; communism is a conservative fantasy to keep the constituency afraid. Big difference.

So, . . . like, . . . when was the last time communism was tied to deaths here in the good ol U S of A?

switters
07-24-2012, 05:44 PM
what makes a m-1911 a m-1911?
original explanation deleted

I agree with joe, on a gun related thread no less, that this should die after NYT made a correction.

wardd
07-24-2012, 06:06 PM
what makes a m-1911 firstly is a gov contract and it being made to gov specs which for those that disdain anything gov can be rather stringent

Garret
07-24-2012, 06:16 PM
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/hardees_badthings/image/colt_45.jpg

Damn - you beat me to it.

As an aside: Springfield Armory makes a .45ACP 1911. They also offer a .45ACP in their XD & XDm lines - which are polymer pistols somewhat similar to a Glock.

Vince Brennan
07-24-2012, 06:23 PM
The 45, extensive testing was done durring the Phillipine American war on the Moro gurrillas...........


really?

Wardd: why do you think that a weapon firing a .45ACP with an effective accurate range of about 120" was developed? The US Army was carrying .32 six shot sidearms and a Moro would come at them from out of the bushes with a parang or a kris, take all six .32's in the chest and STILL gut the guy with the pistol before they joined (whomever) in (wherever). The .45 will knock a bear on it's a$$ and was one of the major contributing factors to The Phillipines being "pacified". You didn't need a long-range, accurate handgun when you could count the nosehairs of the target.

Moro's were VERY dedicated and VERY scary people. Read up on them and check out the variety of blade weapons they carried.

wardd
07-24-2012, 06:43 PM
Wardd: why do you think that a weapon firing a .45ACP with an effective accurate range of about 120" was developed? The US Army was carrying .32 six shot sidearms and a Moro would come at them from out of the bushes with a parang or a kris, take all six .32's in the chest and STILL gut the guy with the pistol before they joined (whomever) in (wherever). The .45 will knock a bear on it's a$$ and was one of the major contributing factors to The Phillipines being "pacified". You didn't need a long-range, accurate handgun when you could count the nosehairs of the target.

Moro's were VERY dedicated and VERY scary people. Read up on them and check out the variety of blade weapons they carried.

go back and read my post to which this was his answer "The 45, extensive testing was done durring the Phillipine American war on the Moro gurrillas..........."

i know what the capabilities of the 1911 are, i carried one in combat and guess what after my first fire fight in which i only had the 45 i never got caught without my m-14 again

the helicopter crews in my unit started carrying their m-14s on missions

that's how much we thought of the 45 as a weapon

Phillip Allen
07-24-2012, 07:52 PM
Wardd: why do you think that a weapon firing a .45ACP with an effective accurate range of about 120" was developed? The US Army was carrying .32 six shot sidearms and a Moro would come at them from out of the bushes with a parang or a kris, take all six .32's in the chest and STILL gut the guy with the pistol before they joined (whomever) in (wherever). The .45 will knock a bear on it's a$$ and was one of the major contributing factors to The Phillipines being "pacified". You didn't need a long-range, accurate handgun when you could count the nosehairs of the target.

Moro's were VERY dedicated and VERY scary people. Read up on them and check out the variety of blade weapons they carried.

it doesn't do any good to educate wardd...

wardd
07-24-2012, 08:04 PM
it doesn't do any good to educate wardd...

did you read my post that started all this?

Chip-skiff
07-24-2012, 08:22 PM
Shouldn't someone contact the families of the victims?

No doubt they'd want to know about the mistake.

wardd
07-24-2012, 08:26 PM
Shouldn't someone contact the families of the victims?

No doubt they'd want to know about the mistake.

which gets back to my post that sent phil and company over the edge

BrianW
07-24-2012, 08:28 PM
i know what the capabilities of the 1911 are, i carried one in combat and guess what after my first fire fight in which i only had the 45 i never got caught without my m-14 again

the helicopter crews in my unit started carrying their m-14s on missions

that's how much we thought of the 45 as a weapon

That seems to be the popular opinion. A handgun is only useful for getting you to a rifle.

BrianW
07-24-2012, 08:31 PM
Shouldn't someone contact the families of the victims?

No doubt they'd want to know about the mistake.

They might, but I doubt it.

wardd
07-24-2012, 08:31 PM
That seems to be the popular opinion. A handgun is only useful for getting you to a rifle.

it didn't have the range, accuracy or power to punch through the jungle

it's not like shooting on a firing range

BrianW
07-24-2012, 08:35 PM
The idea of fighting in a jungle scares the hell out of me.

wardd
07-24-2012, 08:37 PM
The idea of fighting in a jungle scares the hell out of me.

everything happens up close

i've had napalm dropped 50 to a 100 yards in front of me, of course the other side had it dropped closer

Phillip Allen
07-24-2012, 09:49 PM
everything happens up close

i've had napalm dropped 50 to a 100 yards in front of me, of course the other side had it dropped closer

maybe you shouldn't talk to the pilots the way you talk to folks here

wardd
07-24-2012, 09:53 PM
maybe you shouldn't talk to the pilots the way you talk to folks here

i didn't have much time to talk to them as they flew by in their f-100s

seanz
07-24-2012, 09:55 PM
maybe you shouldn't talk to the pilots the way you talk to folks here

Take your pick folks....

A) In the jungle with Wardd

B) In a submarine with Phillip


There was one occurrence that I know of when Forward Observers in a jungle calling in fire on their own co-ordinates because that was what they felt was necessary. It wasn't considered to be an example of poor communication skills, it was considered to be an act of bravery.

BrianW
07-24-2012, 10:00 PM
I'd take the jungle with wward, because submarines scare me more than jungles.

wardd
07-24-2012, 10:03 PM
I'd take the jungle with wward, because submarines scare me more than jungles.

and at one time wardd was a pretty dam good shot, haven't shot anything in decades but i hear it's like riding a bicycle

bobbys
07-24-2012, 10:42 PM
I'd take the jungle with wward, because submarines scare me more than jungles..

Better go with me with the KISS army.

Bring a lighter..

wardd
07-24-2012, 10:45 PM
.

Better go with me with the KISS army.

Bring a lighter..

don't light it at night

johnw
07-24-2012, 11:31 PM
and at one time wardd was a pretty dam good shot, haven't shot anything in decades but i hear it's like riding a bicycle

But slightly more lethal.

wardd
07-24-2012, 11:45 PM
But slightly more lethal.

you've never seen me ride a bike through a mall

BrianW
07-25-2012, 02:34 AM
I saw Jake and Elwood drive thru a mall. It was impressive.

seanz
07-25-2012, 06:04 AM
I saw Jake and Elwood drive thru a mall. It was impressive.

Could only improve this thread.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdGxR-aU6o

David W Pratt
07-25-2012, 09:26 AM
NYT, today, on p2 admits the picture in question is a Les Baer .45, and that they inaccurately described the availability of fully automatic weapons

Paul Pless
07-25-2012, 09:43 AM
Les Baer .45Tend to be very high quality and well regarded. Not quite my style, I prefer Brown on the high end and Kimber for value for the money.

Phillip Allen
07-25-2012, 12:46 PM
NYT, today, on p2 admits the picture in question is a Les Baer .45, and that they inaccurately described the availability of fully automatic weapons

where's Joe to defend THAT lie?

BrianW
07-25-2012, 01:09 PM
NYT, today, on p2 admits the picture in question is a Les Baer .45, and that they inaccurately described the availability of fully automatic weapons

Ah. So it wasn't' a Colt .45. That's what I figured.

Paul Pless
07-25-2012, 01:25 PM
Ah. So it wasn't' a Colt .45. That's what I figured.a recurring problem with liberals, they often are blissfully ignorant over what they are attempting to extend their regulatory over-reach to. . .

wardd
07-25-2012, 01:27 PM
a recurring problem with wingnuts, they often are blissfully ignorant over what they are attempting to block regulation on...

Phillip Allen
07-25-2012, 01:29 PM
a recurring problem with wingnuts, they often are blissfully ignorant over what they are attempting to block regulation on...

tell me, is everyone who is not a democrat a wingnut?

Phillip Allen
07-25-2012, 01:30 PM
a recurring problem with liberals, they often are blissfully ignorant over what they are attempting to extend their regulatory over-reach to. . .

an accurate assessment, Paul

And like the NYT, they believe no one can be smarter than they are

wardd
07-25-2012, 01:31 PM
tell me, is everyone who is not a democrat a wingnut?

plenty but they don't tend to be card carrying nra

Phillip Allen
07-25-2012, 01:38 PM
plenty but they don't tend to be card carrying nra

and you think I am?

johnw
07-25-2012, 01:48 PM
and you think I am?

Are you trying to get him banned?

wardd
07-25-2012, 01:58 PM
and you think I am?

from your posts would it be far fetched to think so?

Phillip Allen
07-25-2012, 02:05 PM
from your posts would it be far fetched to think so?

yes... I have certainly given the answer to that many times... It strikes me that you see exactly what you EXPECT to see.

wardd
07-25-2012, 02:22 PM
yes... I have certainly given the answer to that many times... It strikes me that you see exactly what you EXPECT to see.

you're strongly pro gun, you seem to own several guns , yup assuming that would be far fetched