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John Smith
06-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Many of you won't watch this. It begins with, IMO, overhype of the importance of the Court's decision, but that not the point. What follows the ultrahyping is a history of consevative/republican support for an individual mandate for healthcare and their abrupt change of opinion when Obama decided to include it in his healthcare billl

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47928454

Gerarddm
06-24-2012, 10:39 AM
Massive hypocrisy never got in their way of attempting to score cheap political points.

wardd
06-24-2012, 11:05 AM
i don't see the republican party as a monolith but as 4 cooperating factions

#1 the ultra wealthy
#2 the religious extremists anti abortionists
#3 libertarians
#4 second amendment extremists

each of these factions have goals not very much in conflict with the other 3

if the dems could find a way to pit them against each other the republican party would fracture in an instant

an example is the religious rights lukewarm support for romney

BrianW
06-24-2012, 01:03 PM
Many of you won't watch this...

Yep.

Horace
06-24-2012, 01:11 PM
Massive hypocrisy never got in their way of attempting to score cheap political points.Poor BlackfistGuy.

Poor John.

Mostly staticc. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/20/barack-obama/obama-flip-flops-requiring-people-buy-health-care/)

Guess it just depends on whom you're running against. :rolleyes:

John Smith
06-24-2012, 02:14 PM
I'd like to take a shot at explaining the role of the mandate, and why so many have supported it for so many years.

Let's say you're one of those many who don't own a car and you have no health insurance.

You take a ride with a friend in his car. For whatever reason, he runs off the road into a large tree. You both suffer serious injuries. We then learn your friend was driving without car insurance.

I'm somewhat inclined to say "Screw him!" as he made a choice to illegally drive without coverage. I'll get back to him. You had no reason to believe he had no insurance, but you now sit there with a couple of broken ribs and a punctured lung. What are we to do wity you? Let you die? Maybe you've got a couple of kids and a wife that like having you around. You've done nothing illegal. Fact is, we are nt going to let you die. We are going to treat your injuries and run up bills you can't pay. Those bills don't magically disappear, they are passed on in part to the taxpayers and in part to those who have health insurance under what is referred to as cost sharing. Those who do have insurance pay a higher premium to partly those who have none.

Let's get back to the driver, who also has a family. We let him die. He made a choice, let him live, or in this case die for it. That saves us all money, except that now maybe his wife and kids have to go on welfare and food stamps. Maybe they lose their home. Ultimately it may be cheaper to treat his injuries.

We could write a law where, after the fact, we garnish wages, but that seems like locking the door after the horse got out.

No one is going to fix his unisured car, but no one is going to let his uninsured body go untreated.

wardd
06-24-2012, 06:15 PM
to a lot of right wing idealogs the world is a morality play and practicality has little place in it

Osborne Russell
06-25-2012, 01:58 PM
i don't see the republican party as a monolith but as 4 cooperating factions

#1 the ultra wealthy
#2 the religious extremists anti abortionists
#3 libertarians
#4 second amendment extremists

each of these factions have goals not very much in conflict with the other 3

if the dems could find a way to pit them against each other the republican party would fracture in an instant

an example is the religious rights lukewarm support for romney

If the Christians start practicing Christianity, the jig is up.

wardd
06-25-2012, 04:14 PM
If the Christians start practicing Christianity, the jig is up.

most republicans wouldn't recognize a real christian if they stood their ground and shot one

Osborne Russell
06-26-2012, 01:40 PM
most republicans wouldn't recognize a real christian if they stood their ground and shot one

Maybe they could do like the Japanese Whalers and just do some harvesting for science, to figure out a way to prevent extinction.|;)