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John Smith
05-23-2012, 03:37 PM
My local paper had an interesting letter in it today, reminding us we are "one nation under God", but he secular folks are turning us into a socialisti country rather than a capitalist country.

Is God, in any of his forms a capitalist?

TomF
05-23-2012, 03:40 PM
Many of Jesus sayings read like they're fairly socialist, actually. And the earliest church practiced a form of communism, if the book of Acts is anything to go by.

Peerie Maa
05-23-2012, 03:41 PM
Dunno, but the Catholic church used to prohibit lending money at interest, so may be not. Anyway, which god are you one nation under?

Paul Pless
05-23-2012, 03:45 PM
Dunno, but the Catholic church used to prohibit lending money at interest, so may be not. Anyway, which god are you one nation under?On the other hand, there was also once a brisk business in the sale of indulgences.

My Lutheran upbringing forces me to post that.;)

switters
05-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Dunno, but the Catholic church used to prohibit lending money at interest, so may be not. Anyway, which god are you one nation under?

the Tao that can be described is not the eternal Tao

John Smith
05-23-2012, 03:53 PM
I have no idea which God we're supposedly a nation under. I put that in here to make the point the gentleman who wrote the letter is obviously religiously inclined, and I just wondered if those who are also so inclined can view any God as bing a capitalist.

Dan McCosh
05-23-2012, 03:59 PM
I remain convinced that Animal House was a documentary.

tigerregis
05-23-2012, 04:01 PM
The parable of the Talents, seems to me pro-capitalist. I am one and enjoy the fruits of my limited talents. They are not synonyms. I believe Dollar and Talent are related at the root level. Fortunately a Bell curve analysis of capitalists would show robber barons are a minor portion of this group. Personally, I find the philanthropy of Buffet and Gates preferable to the "Trusts" of dead men, who only do it for estate purposes.

skuthorp
05-23-2012, 04:05 PM
the Tao that can be described is not the eternal Tao
I like that switters, if there is a god it's likely that any description or for that matter imagining of the entity is entirely inadequate and the reality completely incomprehensible to our brain. Nonetheless we have invented philosophy so we may get somewhat closer one day.

Arizona Bay
05-23-2012, 04:21 PM
My local paper had an interesting letter in it today, reminding us we are "one nation under God", but he secular folks are turning us into a socialisti country rather than a capitalist country.

Is God, in any of his forms a capitalist?


Might want to show him this... http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm


Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.
What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:
It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...
The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.
Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'
A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty and justice for all.'

... and the words 'under god' were added to it in 1954

According to the guy who wrote the Pledge, god is a socialist :D



Onward Socialistas!

INMHO God is all things, people, ants, trees stones, Hitler and mother Terissa, however I'm not religiously inclined.

If you can name it, that's not what it is.

Glen Longino
05-23-2012, 04:35 PM
If there is a God, of course He is a capitalist and He owns All the capital, including Us Peons.;)
What believers forget, is that God values his Ants, Termites, and Bats as highly as He does His humans, in the Grand Scheme of life as We know it.
God knows that His Ants, Termites, and Bats can live just fine without Us, but We can't live without His Ants, Termites, and Bats.
God Is A Great Capitalist and Fund Manager!

bobbys
05-23-2012, 04:55 PM
If Atheist commies are going to explain God and Capitalism i think i will watch Animal house ...

Tom Montgomery
05-23-2012, 05:00 PM
If you want to get more into the spirit of our nation's founders think "Providence" rather than "God."

As for "one nation under God," that is from the pledge of allegience and is a mid 20th century invention.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
05-23-2012, 05:30 PM
God is whatever you want him to be.



http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/thegriffin88/Step_Lightly__Stay_Puft_by_vikung_fu.jpg

elf
05-23-2012, 05:39 PM
I suggest the OP should write to his local paper and remind people that the US was not "one nation under god" until 1954.

elf
05-23-2012, 05:52 PM
Glen, that was really rude.

John Smith
05-23-2012, 05:58 PM
I suggest the OP should write to his local paper and remind people that the US was not "one nation under god" until 1954.

I just had a letter in Sunday's paper; have to wait 30 days to submit another.

Tom Montgomery
05-23-2012, 06:03 PM
Glen, that was really rude.

Yep. But Glen and bobbys appear to have developed a jocular relationship based upon such rude barbs. My guess is bobbys will laugh and respond in kind.

Glen Longino
05-23-2012, 06:06 PM
Glen, that was really rude.

I'm surprised you think so!
I think it was a thoughtful response to bobbys calling me an "Atheist commie".

wardd
05-23-2012, 06:15 PM
I'm surprised you think so!
I think it was a thoughtful response to bobbys calling me an "Atheist commie".

but you are an atheist commie

Glen Longino
05-23-2012, 06:21 PM
but you are an atheist commie

And bobbys is a dirt road in a world full of super highways!:)
But I deleted my post in deference to elf.
I trust her judgement.

fishrswim
05-23-2012, 06:23 PM
This is going to be another of those totally, totally, so totally stupid threads that I'm going to have to do something monumentally stupid to counterbalance. I mean I'm thinking Animal House stupid. So:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

We're just the guys to do it!!!!!

Tom Galyen
05-23-2012, 06:23 PM
Tom F. Is right in his posting. The early church believers in the first century did hold property in common. This was not a requirement, but a lot of them did it.

We are taught that we are blessed to be a blessing. The early church believed this quite deeply. We would be more blessed today if we only had the faith to follow our teachings and their examples.




Just for a little humor, I saw this posted in my pastor's office:


"Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gives away free health care.


You're thinking of Jesus Christ."

SamSam
05-23-2012, 06:46 PM
And bobbys is a dirt road in a world full of super highways!:)
But I deleted my post in deference to elf.
I trust her judgement.It just shows your humanitarianism that you talk to him at all. In most societies, they would just let loose the hounds and chase him into the wilderness. Problem solved.

wardd
05-23-2012, 06:47 PM
And bobbys is a dirt road in a world full of super highways!:)
But I deleted my post in deference to elf.
I trust her judgement.

an atheist commie wuss

Glen Longino
05-23-2012, 07:05 PM
It just shows your humanitarianism that you talk to him at all. In most societies, they would just let loose the hounds and chase him into the wilderness. Problem solved.

:DAbsolutely true!
bobbys does not realize how lucky he is that I waste my valuable time trying to help him along the narrow gravel road of his troubled life!
Do I get a word of thanks from him?
Hell no!;)

seanz
05-23-2012, 07:12 PM
I just had a letter in Sunday's paper; have to wait 30 days to submit another.

Puts "You must wait 30 seconds between posts" in the shade.

Glen Longino
05-23-2012, 07:16 PM
an atheist commie wuss

:DDangit, Ward...and Emily thought I was rude?:D

wardd
05-23-2012, 07:22 PM
:DDangit, Ward...and Emily thought I was rude?:D

reel men are rude to wimmen, it turns them on

didn't you see "gone with the wind"?

bobbys
05-23-2012, 07:49 PM
:DAbsolutely true!
bobbys does not realize how lucky he is that I waste my valuable time trying to help him along the narrow gravel road of his troubled life!
Do I get a word of thanks from him?
Hell no!;).

Your my fav commie son of a beech!

bobbys
05-23-2012, 07:51 PM
Glen, that was really rude..

Im glad some one noticed!.

wardd
05-23-2012, 08:01 PM
.

Im glad some one noticed!.


yea, calling glen rude was very rude

pefjr
05-23-2012, 08:08 PM
My local paper had an interesting letter in it today, reminding us we are "one nation under God", but he secular folks are turning us into a socialisti country rather than a capitalist country.

Is God, in any of his forms a capitalist?A letter in your local paper? A classic troll as of late. You are helping this bilge look more like The National Enquirer.

SamSam
05-24-2012, 09:00 AM
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Intermission. Check this out, it's interactive. Zoom in, zoom out, hold the left clicker down and move around.


http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

Waddie
05-24-2012, 01:04 PM
When Friedrich Nietzsche said God is dead what he meant was that the ruling classes no longer believed in God. Without that belief system restraining their actions somewhat, Nietzsche predicted (or inferred, if you like) greater conflicts and a general lack of ethics. The idea of humanist values (humanism) arose to try to instill ethics based on common human societal interests, but this goes against capitalism's basic reliance on personal self-interest.

Today the ruling classes are fully capitalist, even in communist countries. None of them believes in any God, but is dedicated to making a profit for themselves and share holders. This dedication to profitability absolves them of just about all ethical concerns, and can be used to justify almost any behavior so long as it enhances profitability. Funny thing is, we the masses fully support them in this endeavor. We may raise the hue and cry about layoffs, but plenty of us will be glad to buy HP stock as it starts to rise, and we want in on their increased profitability. Your pension fund is very interested, as are non-profit funds, your 401K, etc.

So it turns out that the God we worship is Capitalism, which has no ethics.....and all of us derive our sustenance from that God, in one way or another.....and we are all true believers.

Good news is that some cultures have done better than others in keeping this deity in check and spreading the wealth created around more, but it has only worked for smaller, homogenous cultures, and is yet to be successful with a large, diverse culture such as the US.

regards,
Waddie

Hal Forsen
05-24-2012, 01:23 PM
The current batch of godless casino capitalists are obviously concerned only with earthly rewards.
Us po' folk can always take comfort in good old Matthew (19:24) and Mark (10:24)