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DGentry
05-16-2012, 09:21 PM
Sort of a lark, and sort of an answer to a request . . . it's a skin-on-frame combination sit-on-top kayak (SOT) and stand-up-paddleboard (SUP). I'm just calling her my "boardyak."

I'll start by saying that I surf and snowboard, and "kind of" windsurf, but I've never been on a stand-up paddleboard. So I'm not making any big claims in that direction.

The original not-so-serious request was for a SOF sit-on-top kayak. I've paddled a fair number of SOTs, and I love the "get on and go" simplicity. But, most all those boats were roto-molded plastic, and pretty heavy - even the small ones. They all feature molded in drains, cupholders, seats and several recesses where your heels are supposed to go, depending on your leg length. Nice features, but difficult to mold into a SOF kayak frame. I thought instead of just having a flat deck platform, with a removable seat on top of it. Builders could add foot stretchers, cupholders, etc at their leisure, but only the platform is really necessary. And, I thought, since there's a going to be a flat platform anyway, why not be able to use the boat as a stand-up-paddleboard as well?

So that's what I came up with. I decided a Garvey bow would provide enough buoyancy, and a baidarka stern would act as an integral skeg, and that these shapes would both lend themselves to an easy build.
The boat is of non-traditional construction with marine plywood frames, rather than many steam bent ribs. There are no stressful bends in the stringers, at all, and I glued and screwed the whole frame together, which is much faster than lashing it. The fabric I used wrapped perfectly around the boat and I just stapled it to the central deck beam. Likewise, I stapled the skin to the fore and aft decks (1/4" ply), and sealed all the seams with glue and then paint - no sewing at all!
The deck is 1/4" fir plywood, screwed to the deck beams and gunwales, over top of the skin. It turned out to be bigger than necessary, which is good, since it weighs a lot, and I will be able to cut it down some.

I paddled it this evening, in a flat spot on the river down the road. As a kayak, she did everything a short kayak should do, and did it pretty well. The main difference being all that room on the deck! I could sit cross legged, lay down, straddle the boat or whatever. She was steady, turned very easily and floated (with me on it) in 5 inches of water. I used my folding camp seat about half the time, but didn't really need it.

As a stand-up-paddleboard, she's initially pretty tiddly - but only for a few inches of heel. As the chine submerged it was like putting on the brakes as far as heeling was concerned. I could put almost all my weight on one foot out to the side, and she was very steady. I got used to her quickly, and it turns out that the SUP thing is pretty fun - though I bet it would have been a lot more fun if my paddle hadn't been 18" too short.

So, I got bored after a while, and (sitting down again) paddled her out into the current and nonchalantly dropped into a 12" wave and surfed it until my clearly neglected stomach muscles started cramping in protest. In fact, she caught that wave a lot easier than my old whitewater boat could have, and that's pretty pleasing, as I hadn't planned on ever doing any surfing on her at all. Makes me think a trip to the beach might not be too out of the question . . . on a mellow day, of course.

11' x 30", about 27lbs (too much of that being the deck). 1/2" Marine fir frames, pine stringers, skinned with 8oz polyester. About 5 part time days to build, all told, and maybe $140 in materials.

Can't say I'm too enamoured of the "fat surfboard" look, but you can't see that from the deck!
Boardyak:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/alias1719/Boardyak1.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/alias1719/Boardyak3.jpg

gstanfield
05-16-2012, 11:15 PM
Very cool project Dave!

Paul Helbert
05-17-2012, 07:26 AM
That was a fast build. What day was I over with it just being skinned? I've got a long (but heavy) paddle you can borrow.

trefor
05-17-2012, 07:53 AM
Very cool! Are you going to offer plans for this one?

-Trevor

potomac
05-17-2012, 08:42 AM
That's awesome Dave. I've been looking at SUPs as an alternative for quick fishing jaunts and setting crab pots. I now sometimes use the aforementioned roto-molded kayak, which is over-burdoned with me and three pots on board (8-foot-kayak), but it works. Yours would make a great platform. I hope you will consider developing this. I think you might be surprised at the interest it would generate. These SUPs cost around $600 for an entry-level boat, so yours is quite cost effective, a rarity in wooden boats. If you need some seed money, consider me in, PM me and I'll send you a check for the plans.

As a note, one of the things that makes SUPs so attractive to me, other than what I already stated, is that I can actually sit my son on one (40 lbs.) while I paddle behind him (170 lbs.). They are stable and burdensome enough for this task while being light and highly portable so throwing them on roof racks for a two hour tour is no big deal. I wonder if adding a foot or two to the length, as you lighten the deck, wouldn't increase buoyancy and tracking without too much added weight.

I'm interested.

-Aaron

Dan St Gean
05-17-2012, 09:44 AM
I'm also an avid SUPer and think this would be a fine way to put together a light board. I prefer a submerged and fine bow for the flatwater I gererally paddle and a square stern to keep the length in line. Directional stability is with a standard surfboard fin which slides in a premanufactured slot. I could see this being quite popular since strip or ply end up heavier. CLC's Kaholo has the flatwater idea about dialed for the 14' board, but it could be a much faster build and lighter end product in SOF!

Well done.

Dan

dirtsailor
05-17-2012, 10:46 AM
Nice work Dave. These would go over great here in Central Oregon. Sups have taken over the waterways here!

switters
05-17-2012, 10:51 AM
very cool!

Kudzu
05-17-2012, 11:42 AM
Very interesting Dave. I have friends that have been after me to do one but I have ZERO interest in SUP's. Maybe someone can explain the attraction to me because I don't see it. But very interesting concept and I like the stern especially.

potomac
05-17-2012, 12:26 PM
From a strict paddling standpoint- it's an inferior craft to a regular kayak what with increased windage and I would guess inferior paddling angle. One of the coolest things though, is that you can stand (as the name suggests :D) and this gives you a lot of options. One of the biggest, I think, is in your vision- the angle is such that seeing into the water is much better. That can be quite nice for fishing. On youtube you can find pretty remarkable videos (many with super hot bikini-clad girls) fishing from these little boats where coolers and seats are used- it's cool. From a workout standpoint- it's a heck of a core workout. From a ease of use standpoint- I don't think there's a quicker in the water, out of the water car-topper around. As for the surf standpoint- if that's not your thing, that's not your thing, but if it is, then you know it's a pretty amazing sensation.

gstanfield
05-17-2012, 08:44 PM
The attractions to me are the workout and the viewing angle. It's amazing how much water life I can see when I'm "walking on water"

DGentry
05-17-2012, 10:33 PM
Thanks all. I think I could get into the SUP thing. After all, it's just another way to get out on the water, no more or less contrived than any other recreational watercraft. It's kinda fun, too!
I have my thoughts wrapped around something sleeker for a dedicated SUP - we'll see how that turns out.

DGentry
05-27-2012, 12:45 PM
Some pics of her in use - still very pleased, and even more amused by stand up paddling . . . I could see every fish for many yards around me! Now I'm wondering if I could handle a fly rod and not fall off at the same time.
Plans are drawn up for a longer, leaner dedicated SUP version, and the prototype is being worked on already. Should be a nice boat, and I'll probably keep one on my roof rack all summer.
http://gentrycustomboats.com/pics/Boardyak10.jpg

http://gentrycustomboats.com/pics/Boardyak%202012.jpg

http://gentrycustomboats.com/pics/Boardyak6.jpg

http://gentrycustomboats.com/pics/Boardyak12.jpg

Dan St Gean
05-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Those photos attest to SUP's versatility. It can easily be a Sup that can ride waves, a SOT that any novice can feel comfortable paddling, a flatwater machine, a downwind express as fast as about anything short of a surfski, etc. Being able to use it as a fitness tool and getting to see 10x the wildlife was an added bonus for me.

What are you doing for your decking? Ply pad and then a deck pad on top of that?

Dan

DGentry
05-27-2012, 09:14 PM
Yes, Dan, I could be a convert!
My deck is just 1/4" plywood, with some paint. It's not slippery, at all, and I haven't - yet - seen a need to add anything to it.
BTW, it turns out that a Greenland paddle works great for both sit down and stand up paddling. How convenient is that?

Here's a fun pic of the frame . . . only one finger!
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/alias1719/Onefinger.jpg
The pink stuff is foam, for floatation.

hokiefan
05-27-2012, 11:13 PM
What river were those pictures taken on? Had to look up New Market to jog my memory, between Harrisonburg and Winchester. God's country. :)

Cheers,

Bobby

DGentry
05-29-2012, 07:33 AM
That's the N fork of the Shenandoah River.
It is beautiful here, and very, very green. And the river certainly looks pretty - but both the N and S forks are prime dumping grounds for a variety of waste products, from manure to mercury. It's a shame.