NS14 by Northwest Marine

[Sakari Aaltonen]

The NS14 class boat looks pretty good for a husband-wife crew that is not into acrobatics and trapezes. Fast and light, at least reputedly, and plans for strip planking are available from Northwest Marine Design:
Delta V (http://www.nwmarinedesign.com/deltav.htm)
Would anyone care to comment? Any builders out there? Any other plans out there? (I think this class is only big in Australia, but that's not a problem, as I'm not interested in racing.)

Thank you,
Sakari Aaltonen

[KimApel]

Mark Kovaletz in southern California has built one. You may contact him at mkovaletz@sbcglobal.net

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Sakari Aaltonen:
The NS14 class boat looks pretty good for a husband-wife crew that is not into acrobatics and trapezes.

Thank you,
Sakari AaltonenI don't know about you, but about a hundred years ago I learned very quickly that hiking out like this gets old in a hurry. Fun for sure if you like that sort of thing.

http://ns14.sailoz.net/2003nats/images/DCP_3420.JPG

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Wild Wassa]

The NS14 is the best light wind boat that I've sailed and a real hoot in a blow. Everything about the design is excellent, except, don't ever expect to have a dry sail in one. These boats have given real meaning to the term wet boat. A certain degree of athleticism is needed because of the need to hike out ... or go slowly. The boats are easy to handle and easy to rig. When they go over they are a snack to bring back up.

Warren.

[ 01-01-2005, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Meerkat]

The one on the far left, in profile, looks like it's lost the tip of it's mainmast. A very curious thing to have lost! :eek: ;)

[Doug Canada]

Looks very close to the Swift Solo?
Differences?

http://www.single-handedskiffs.com/pages/453349/index.htm

Doug

[JimD]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
The one on the far left, in profile, looks like it's lost the tip of it's mainmast. A very curious thing to have lost! :eek: ;) Welcome to the future, eh?

[Wild Wassa]

Meer, they are the semi-modern style of NS14 sails. The NS14 below, a Sea Scout boat, has the old style of mainsail. Notice the missing bits of Balsa foil, on the leading edge of the mast?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/pe8f49f7c00c02ef3f14232a2c29d1299/fc2e081e.jpg

Warren.

[ 03-19-2005, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
The NS14 is the best light wind boat that I've sailed and a real hoot in a blow. Everything about the design is excellent, except, don't ever expect to have a dry sail in one. These boats have given real meaning to the term wet boat. A certain degree of athleticism is needed because of the need to hike out ... or go over. The boats are easy to handle and very easy to rig. When they go over they are a snack to bring back up.
What makes a boat wet? I looked at a number of light two-person skiffs in the 12-14ft range (Cherub, NS14, Javelin, Int'l14) and they all look pretty similar. Are they all similarly wet?

I posted about the NS14 because (wood) plans seem easily available. Javelin hull offsets for plywood are available, but not, it seems, complete plans. The Cherub and the Int'l 14 are probably too racing-oriented with their huge sail areas.

Sakari Aaltonen

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Doug Canada:
Looks very close to the Swift Solo?
Differences?Most notably, number of hands - one vs. two.

Sakari Aaltonen

[Wild Wassa]

I get wet in boats like these, I just put my head back. I like an inch off the water, it gives a good perspective ... and at one inch even 2 knots looks fast. All racing skiffs are wet, they create a lot of spray and lightweight boats go over.

"The Cherub and the Int'l 14 are probably too racing-oriented with their huge sail areas."

There is a move to increase the sail area of the NS14 from 9.3 sq.m to 10 sq.m, interesting. Meer probably spotted it.

The MG14 (Manly Graduate) is a bit of a wild one. The Delta V looks speedy with the spinnaker like a Manly Graduate. Cherubs are sailed in my neck of the woods. They are faster than their name implies. The NS14's VYC yardstick is 108, the Cherubs 106, the 14ft skiff is 86, a big difference.

There was a good thread on racing dinghies that can be owner built (about two months back).

Warren.

[ 12-31-2004, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
I
The Enterprise, Fulmar, Windmill, Wayfarer and GP14, are fine wooden dinghies. I think plans are available for the above. The Class Associations can give advice on availability of plans.
The Windmill and Wayfarer are too big - outside my 12-14' range. I haven't found plans for the Enterprise or the GP14.

Not that it matters; all these boats are so similar that it's hard to believe any one of them is dramatically better (for any purpose) than the others.

[John Meachen]

GP14 plans can be found at http://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/
and I would imagine that a look around at http://www.sailenterprise.org.uk/ would give a few clues about Enterprise plans. It might even be easier to contact your National Authority as the Enterprise has been an International class for many years and is probably controlled by ISAF.They both look a little dated by comparison with some of the boats in this thread though.

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by John Meachen:
"They both look a little dated by comparison with some of the boats in this thread though."

You would hate to see my favourite Sea Scout's boats, they even have Sparrows. What would you say about my Seafly? The Scouts have an Enterprise, the kids have nick-named the boat ... the White Submarine.

John don't you think that that is half of the bluff, when handicap racing, the harmless (dated?) look of the boat. My Seafly couldn't look more dated, even with her 2-3 micron racing surface.

If a light weight crew was sailing a Mirror against a 505 (both sailing to their yardsticks/ handicap racing), I'd lay money on the Mirror on every occassion, their harmless look is deceptive.

Warren.

[ 01-08-2005, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[bheys]

Sakari - How do you like sailing your Gannet? It seems like that boat would be somewhat similar to what you are considering. Do you have some pics?

[John Meachen]

Just to explain a few things for our Antipodean friend,thirty years ago I was racing Enterprises for probably fifty weekends of the year.One of those weekends was usually spent at the Blakeney spring regatta where there were a fair number of Seaflies to be seen.That these boats are entirely satisfactory is not a matter of contention.Rather,I wished to illustrate that if one were to design a boat of this size now,it might look different.One would not build an International 14 of a Sixties design and be competitive now for instance.I could also bore you with tales of the injustice done in handicap races when modern Merlin-Rockets turn up as their handicap bears very little relation to the performance of recently built boats.

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by bheys:
Sakari - How do you like sailing your Gannet? It seems like that boat would be somewhat similar to what you are considering. Do you have some pics?I could only sail the Gannet a few times before the weather turned too cold; nothing to report really. I was fitting it out the longest time. My experience of boat hardware is very limited (the only factory-made boat I have sailed was an Optimist pram a long time ago), and Oughtred's plans are not specific on the bits and pieces. People who have been around boats all their lives just cannot believe how hard selecting even a single block is for a novice sailor.

No, the Gannet is not much longer than the boats considered here, but it's considerably heavier. And it looks much more traditional.

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by John Meachen:
"One of those weekends was usually spent at the Blakeney spring regatta where there were a fair number of Seaflies to be seen. That these boats are entirely satisfactory is not a matter of contention."

It took me 2 years of constant searching until I found a light weight wooden Seafly the perfect under handicap boat. I have a performance penalty (10% time penalty) which the Seafly copes with when I race. I only race in handicaps, the Seafly kicks boat. You can't relax in a handicap race like you do in Class racing because you don't know your position at any stage of the race. The last race my son Geoff was in (the last race, last season), he was last across the finish line in an Enterprise ... but he won on handicap. I said to him 5 minutes before the winner was announced, "bad luck Mate, you won't always have a good day but at least you finished" ... I got that wrong, that's handicap racing.

"... of the injustice done in handicap races when modern Merlin-Rockets turn up as their handicap bears very little relation to the performance of recently built boats."

I couldn't find a Rocket or a Falcon (the Falcon I'm still looking for) when I was looking for an old boat. The great injustice in handicap racing now is the Mirror. They will knock over any class on handicap ... I fear Mirrors in open handicaps when they are sailed well. I prefer Mirrors to only race in Class B handicaps, where they belong, smile.gif . With a light weight crew the Mirrors are way under handicapped but you can't handicap a kid like they do to racehorses.

We don't only use standard yardsticks (the VYC's yardsticks that can be found at yachte.com.au), we also use provisionals which are adjusted, they're ongoing reviewed handicaps and individual sailors carry performance penalties as well. The Rocket would be fairly handicapped under the system we use. If the boat is an old one you can find relief by claiming an age allowance ... I'd rather set up a boat well than submit to old age, :rolleyes:

Warren.

[ 03-20-2005, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Wild Wassa]

The Australian NS14 Championships are being held in Canberra this week on Lake Burley-Griffin. The Sea Scouts have two wooden boats in the Cruiser Division. Of the 40+ boats in the Championships, 9 are wood, with 7 in the Cruiser Division (handicap racing for Classic boats) and the other 2 in the Championship Division.

I'm pleased to say that not one wooden boat has been damaged so far, all the failures are to the plastics, I mean, to the expensive foam core composites.

Some of the wooden boats are stunning, while others are interesting. I'll post photos at the end of the Championships which finish on Sunday, Aussie time.

Warren.

[ 03-19-2005, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
The Australian NS14 Championships are being held in Canberra this week on Lake Burley-Griffin. The Sea Scouts have two wooden boats in the Cruising Division, one of the Scout's boats is 'Rusty', one of the boats above. Of the 30 boats in the Championships, 9 are wood, with 7 in the Cruising Division and the other 2 in the Championship Division.You seem to be in the thick of it. Could you please ask around about plywood plans? I'm having no success with the emails I have been sending to Australia and elsewhere. (In a subplot, I was directed to (British) National 12's, but haven't found plywood plans for those, either.)

Thank you,
Sakari Aaltonen

[Wild Wassa]

My pleasure SA. I'll ask the Skippers about the availability and location of the plans that they have used.

I've been taking shots, when I manage to get a chance, of the different hull types, which you might like to see. I've taken a few shots of different standing and running rigging as well. The NS14 is a design Class dinghy, the sailors and designers have been working on improving the Class over the last few years. The new boats are fast.

The different hull shapes and cockpits are radical, one would hardly think that there was only one Class of dinghy racing.

If you go to the New South Wales and Australian Capital Territory NS14 Association website (it is a combined website you might find info on the availability of plans. Also try http://ns14 .sailoz.net/index.html (http://ns14.sailoz.net/index.html) and http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/ns14/

The racing is good and the different wooden boats look great. Sailors stand up in NS14's, some ride them like surfboards. Sanding on the gunwales is cool. The boat is not too tippy. There is a lot for the crew to do, they are very good dinghies to crew. When you want to go fast, the boat is a fast tuner, the mast rotator needs handling smartly. Take turns standing up. We play the vang a lot around a course and we move the cars in the flukey winds.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p51cc7bc635c57ba6ce19929092bd8759/f5ae0780.jpg

The NS14 is a good boat to crew, I like crewing an NS14, there can be plenty to do.

[ 01-07-2005, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Billy Bones]

Tho for racing it's a singlehander, some on this thread might enjoy 'Stealth' by woods designs (tortured ply, etc) seen at: http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/ click 'Designs' then click 'Beach cats and dinghies' and click 'stealth'. And the prototype is for sale.

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by Sakari Aaltonen:
"You seem to be in the thick of it."

The ACT Sea Scouts are running 1st, 2nd and 3rd and possibly 4th in the Cruiser Division for Classic boats (pre 1980) (but I'm not sure about 4th, we held onto 4th at the start of today), the y are racing 4 old boats (2 are wood). There are two race days to go.

SA, Back to the plans ... I have access to a set of Javlin Mark 1 plans, the original NS14 hull. The ACT President Mr Peter Smith says that we can copy them.

Other wooden NS14's at the Championships appear to have been purchased ready made, none of the Skippers I've talked to so far, know of plans.

The Bethwaite's could have plans of the Marks. The original Mr Bethwaite designed the NS14. The Bethwaite's are in Sydney, at Bethwaite Design.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p8b7bc741216bfb9d53b1b16a190539ef/f5b441b9.jpg

The Scout boat in the background is currently 2nd in the Cruiser division. Cat n' Mouse.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p0f808a22bb4be5099f8a09c7018da2e1/f5b42a4d.jpg

One of the Scout boats, 'Non Sequeteur' which translates to 'non follower' or 'follows no one' ... followed two boats home this afternoon . Non Sequeteur is currently leading the Cruiser Division.

Warren.

[ 03-19-2005, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[bainbridgeisland]

It has been a long time since I have seen beautiful, timber, high performance sailing dinghies like these. Thanks for posting the pictures and the links.

David Mancebo

[Wild Wassa]

David, Cheers. It is a pleasure being at the Championships just looking at the wooden boats. I'll photograph the Mr Pascal Perez's, boat when I get the chance, She is an absolute stunner.

The plans that I 'now have' thanks to the ACT NS14 Association are for the Mk1S, and NS141N and an OK to the plans for the best of the NS14 woodies the Mk3 'Dribbly', thanks to the NS14 Registrar, Mr Trent Wiggins.

Tell me which of the Marks that you like, if any and the plans can be duplicated and posted.

Warren.

ps, It was a good day's racing today Skippers, Ms Sarah Eddes and I came third off scratch and 2nd on handicap (good one) in this afternoon's Heat in Sandman. We beat Mr Pascal Perez and crew by one boat length, after a tacking duel that started 100 metres from the finish, they came 4th. We were a sorry 8th, 150 from home. We got a lift it was awesome, we started to sprint but we were too far behind. When we got level with the fleet we tacked at good speed and scattered the fleet. We powered into 3rd spot after the duel (we did 4 tacks) and then ran out of air two metres from the finish, so we pulled a Starb'd on the fleet again to block the line, in desperation and in no air one metre from the line. The fleet was running us down while we were drifting. You could have thrown a blanket over the positions 2 through 8 at the finish. The boom just made it across to port one metre from the line. I saw Wild Thing (sister of Wild Fire) and go under us just as the Steward shouted, "you have finished". A confession Skippers, we weren't in a wooden boat.

The interstate sailors have nicknamed Lake Burley Griffin, Lake Barely Sailable ... well I hope so.

[ 03-19-2005, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
The plans that I 'now have' thanks to the NSW and ACT NS14 Associations are for the Mk1, the Mk7 and out of the blue today came an offer of plans for the best of the NS14 woodies the Mk3 'Dribbly', thanks to the NS14 Registrar, Mr Trent Wiggins.

Tell me which of the Marks that you like of the above, if any and the plans can be duplicated and posted.
I don't know how the Marks differ, never having seen one. If you say Mk3 is best, I'll take your word for it.

But about the plans, duplicating and packing and mailing and stuff... Do note that I'm about as far from Australia as one can get and still stay on the planet. How do we work this financially?

Sakari Aaltonen
Helsinki, Finland

[Lord Bladeswords]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/bladeswords/Sailing.jpg

THis is a photo of the ACT NS14 National TItles.

[Wild Wassa]

LB, Welcome to the Forum Skipper.

SA, When I talked to the State Association Presidents and the Registrar about locating plans and would there be a licence fee, I told them you are in Finland ... they said, you are welcome as they are the Association's plans and they like the idea of NS14's in Finland. If you build the boat there will be no excuse not to come over here and show her off.

I'll finish photographing the wooden dinghies on Sunday, the final day of the Championships and send the images to your email address, this will give a better idea of the boats and how the Marks vary, including the latest composit boats, their simplicity works. The Mk3 plans will not be available until the Registrar returns to Sydney which will be middle of Jan. The plans are on A1 sheets, there will be no cost involved. I'll send you the email address of the NS14 Registrar Mr Wiggins (for your sail numbers, smile.gif ) and I'll post you the plans when he sends them to me, ... if that suits you? I've already organized to get the plans for the Mark3 from him.

I take my hat of to the NS14 Class Associations, they promote the Class well.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p7c2dbfbfc15a596a3dbac90754f637ed/f5b04f7d.jpg

Lord Bladeswords' boat. Australian Red Cedar and Silver Ashe. Unfortunately the photo does not do the Skipper/builder Mr Ron Thompson justice. There isn't epoxy on the boat, the glues are polyurethane. The boat is now 20. Sheathed in glass. She has raced in more State and National Titles than any other NS14, 'Szel a Vizen'.

Warren.

[ 01-07-2005, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
SA, When I talked to the State Association Presidents and the Registrar about locating plans and would there be a licence fee, I told them you are in Finland ... they said, you are welcome as they are the Association's plans and they like the idea of NS14's in Finland.This is too good to be true. There just has to be a catch here somewhere...


Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
If you build the boat there will be no excuse not to come over here and show her off.
I knew it. I KNEW there was a catch!

Sakari Aaltonen
Helsinki, Finland

[Wild Wassa]

SA, Expect the photos in a few days. There are a lot to sort out ... and make sense of.

Lord Bladeswords and his Skipper Mr Ron Thompson, took out the overall Handicap Title, in the Champion's Division. It was awesome ... and so is your boat.

The NS14 is an excellent wave surfer. Stand up in NS14's in light winds. In big winds the speed of the boat is excellent, the NS14 powers up very quickly. They are boats that like being sailed flat. At slow speeds employ a little bit of heel.

That was a good week and a few good races in the NS14 Class. Racing in 20-30 knots today, gusting to who knows how much today, mixed with plenty of drifters during the week, the wind was good. I always smile when I see other boats go over. It was a good day's racing today. We had a third and a 4th off scratch (both thirds on handicap) in the final two heats. I crewed two races with Mr Ross Ford, in 'Snappy Tom' today (not a wooden boat). Ross spent seven years on Gretel as a trimmer ... a day trimming for a trimmer.

The ACT Sea Scouts made a clean sweep of the Cruiser Division of the Australian NS14 Nationals. Mr Kevin Edgely and Ms Melissa Aveyard, Title Holders.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p57237ac64495316c00e03862a099a295/f5a648dd.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p1e4e11271a1f4b78271452d9bd392f9a/f5a647ac.jpg

Szel a Vizen.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p575a1dd2a0d5f3bdd0247e8a8f85c525/f5a645c1.jpg

I missed the chance to photograph Mr Pascal Perez's boat Mistral. She wasn't on the water today, unfortunately.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p6ed8285dc6a45a6eac243f2218517c41/f5a60a09.jpg

An NS14 Mk10 sailed by the National Champions, Mr Peter Vaiciugis and Ms Tracey Wadsworth 'Smashing Pumpkin'.

Warren.

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[Wild Wassa]

A Coachwood NS14, none know the Mark of this Sea Scout boat, she could be unique ... and a Mark 11 the latest design is 'Samba pa ti'. The new composite boats are fast although Samba pa ti wasn't, maybe just a bit new.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/pd927c58d2e2bd9ec65a8f0aba66c63e4/f5a05706.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/pbf879dc69b5590e994a9fdbc6b8664fe/f5a622f0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/pdd68040fe9d4bcba98db5fc7267b57a8/f5a0581b.jpg

With a bit of rigging to suit the crew rather than rigging to the old plans, one could have a very fine wooden Northbridge Senior 14. Merlin above is well rigged and when I look at the old Coachwood boat again, the NS14 is "the most highly developed boat in Australia," to quote the NS14 Association website.

Warren.

[ 01-07-2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Killick]

Hi Sakari,

Going back to your original post, I purchased the Delta V plans a while back (actually, they were a gift from my lovely spouse... thanks Dear).

I started construction this summer and found it to be pretty easy going so far. To date, I've got the hull stripped and glassed on the outside and I'm in the process of sanding the exterior prior to flipping to glass the inside of the hull. The hull will be finished bright (of course) to show off the beautiful WRC strips.

AC Gondola at NWMarineDesign was great to deal with. They'd originally shipped the wrong plans (for the K-19). When informed of the mix-up the correct ones were sent immediately and I was told to keep the K-19 plans... cool, now I've got another project for further down the road.

I'd settled on the Delta V/NS14 because I was looking to build a boat (obviously), but I wanted the end result to be for the kind of sailing I enjoy most. One of my favorite boats is the Tasar, and the NS14 has an almost identical handicap rating. I enjoy being out on the water in whitecap conditions, hiking waaaaay out and getting completely soaked. Whether you go with the Delta V or one of the other NS14 designs, you will probably get wet in this boat, but I suspect you'll have a lot of fun as well.

Tony

[Wild Wassa]

Killick, G'day Mate. Congratulations on your choice of boat. One of my friends said to me last week, that he will find it hard to get back in a Tasar after the NS14 ... bad luck Mate. My friend Bruce, raced in the Tasar Worlds in Canada.

In Australia we don't call the Delta V, Delta V we call the boat ... the Manly Graduate or the MG14.

You might like the photos on this site, although they are not wooden boats.

http://www.gsc.org.au/gallery/mg/index.html

The boats below show some of the latest rigging ideas. Merlin (top, came 5th in the Nationals) is one seriously rigged dinghy. Smashing Pumpkin (the National Champion) is somewhat simply rigged (relatively speaking) and Shiraz (finished 10th) looks good on the trailer.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid154/p1060e1fca7f4119372aa00fc97c68eea/f582a9c8.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid154/pb060c10a9e70b28545932635c3da67ba/f582a9bf.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p624ffe3d9122d26799f9379c66d3b404/f59f6b4e.jpg

Warren.

[ 01-11-2005, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Killick]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
One of my friends said to me last week, that he will find it hard to get back in a Tasar after the NS14 ...

http://www.gsc.org.au/gallery/mg/index.html
Warren.Thanks for the post, Warren. Nice to know that I made a good choice. Really looking forward to not wanting to sail Tasars.

Thanks also for the link to those images. MG353 is a real beaut! I've been a frequent visitor to the NS, MG and SportSkiff sites over the past year or two (in fact, it was an image of "Bumps!" sailing on a reach that finally clinched my decision to do a Northie), but I hadn't seen the Greenwich site before. Cool!

Feel free to offer up as many images showing rigging as you want. One of the nice things of DIY is that you can tweak to your own preferences. My intent is to build with a retracting bowsprit and a self-tacking jib similar to many MGs. There's a really neat main traveller set-up on a recent National 12 in the UK that I'm hoping to copy as well (sorry, can't find a link to it anymore.

I'm also thinking of using a system to pump up the chute. Anyone with direct experience with these?

My only regret in building this boat is that there aren't any others to be found for miles (maybe thousands)... not exactly a popular class here in Canada. So, I'll have to content myself with (hopefully) trouncing Albacores and Lasers.

Cheers,
Tony

[Wild Wassa]

Killick, Would like the 24 photograph package I sent to Sakari? Which was 4 emails with 6 attatchment (only) to each email or even larger photos sent of any of the images, the small images posted here after going through Image Station, have lost a lot of the detail.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid154/p002f56b048a7605705c6406caa4e8bdd/f57eb714.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid154/pccd5fa55fad6e88bed0de890c9722df9/f57ea0ab.jpg

The second photo is of Wildfire. Wildfire came 4th at the Nationals. Wildfire is dressed to kill, in a 2 pack water based polyurethane. I like poly a lot ... but I don't like putting it on ... but I know it is good for me if I do.

Warren.

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[Killick]

Warren,

A copy of those photos would be great. Look for an email in your inbox shortly.

Tony

[Killick]

Warren,
Check for a private msg.

Cheers, Tony

[Wild Wassa]

Killick, Thanks for the info about your returned email, sorry about that. I was wondering where the emails had gone. I couldn't figure out why I had many messages undelivered and returned to the senders. The box has a limit of 50 emails, redface.gif . Cheers.

Is there a US or Canadian Delta V Association?

The Registrar of the NS14 Association is,
Mr Trent Wiggins.
twiggins at cosmo.com.au

The home page for the MG14 Association here in Oz, is not coming up at the moment, it just might be because of the silly season. In Oz the break over the Xmas period is called the silly season ... and rightly so.

Warren.

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[Sakari Aaltonen]

Warren,

I have been trying to email you for a couple of days, but the mails are returned because your mailbox is full.

Sakari Aaltonen

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Warren,
I have been trying to email you for about a week now. The mails bounce because your mailbox is full.

Sakari Aaltonen

[Sakari Aaltonen]

I wish I knew what happened. I have been emailing Wild Wassa for over three weeks now. No answer - the mails bounce because his mailbox is full.

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by Sakari Aaltonen:
"I wish I knew what happened ... ... No answer - the mails bounce because his mailbox is full."

Sakari, hopefully you have a few bits from me by now? If you haven't there is something really wrong.

My emails bounce when my mailbox isn't full, it bounces after only receiving 12-15 emails not 50 as I wrote earlier. I'm wondering if putting up with popups on Explorer was less obstructive than changing to Mozilla ... (me' th'nks to ma'self).

Tomorrow I'm going to spend the day tuning "Mozray" the boat that came last at the Nationals (not a Scout boat). She is a newly restored boat and looks good at times. Her Skipper and I will start to calibrate the workings of this boat, if we get good winds tommorow. We will start off early in no wind and as the day gets wilder after lunch (as always around here) we should get a few things going and see what breaks or tears. If she is still holding together at about 6pm, She won't ever break.

When I said to her Skipper, "I'll bring my drill" ... the phone went quiet for a moment. A lot of work went into her new deck and woodwork ... I'd go quiet too.


Warren.

[ 03-19-2005, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[George Jung]

I just now noticed this thread; I LOVE IT! This is what makes the WBF so great. BTW, WW, very generous of you. Thanks for the photos.

[Sakari Aaltonen]

Originally posted by Wild Wassa:

Sakari, hopefully you have a few bits from me by now? If you haven't there is something really wrong.
I did get an email, but the momentum of this project was lost during the two-month break of communications (I also emailed four officials of the Australian NS14 asscociation, not one of whom answered.)

I was hoping to get started in January, launching in May, say. No chance of that, now.

[Wild Wassa]

Hi Mate, Only one email from me? ... well I'll put detail here. Today was the final day (so Australia Post advised) that it would take for two sets of plans to arrive for two variations of the Mark 1. I have a third set of hand drawn plans (in pencil) that I mentioned in another email, that I sent.

Sakari, The main guys in the Association are competitive sailors and volunteers who run a top Association. There are two State Titles about to be held and I'd say we just have to wait Mate. I haven't got the plans for the Mark 3 'Dribbly' yet, from the Registrar, that's why I sent you copies of the best two sets of plans that I have. I wasn't going to post anything to you until I got the Mark 3 plans. We Aussies are laid back Digger ... and it is all in it's own good time ... but you should have plans by now or certainly any day now. They won't fit in your mail box.

This boat's design isn't going anywhere, although it seriously is, so take your time with Her for next season. Don't rush a Classic boat like this, (although a boat would only take an experienced builder a week to build in wood, talking to a retired builder) ... but She will take a lifetime of drilling and shifting bits, just to get her to kick arse ... no worries Mate.

Enjoy the plans Sakari, do you want me to still send you copies of the plans for the Mark 3 when they arrive?

The plans I sent could need tracing/redrawing to be easier to read in parts, the originals are old. The copies that I sent are better than the originals.

Warren.

[ 03-21-2005, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Killick]

Hey Warren,

Good to have you back... been on the water a lot, I guess. Right now I can only daydream... though the snow is taking quite a hit here this week, and Opening Day at the club is just a little more than a month away.

Don't know if you still have any of those images kicking around that you sent along to Sakari a while back. I wouldn't mind having a copy of 'em if you do, so I can study how other boats are rigged.

Been working on little bits as I wait for the weather to get warm enough to do epoxy work in the garage. I've just finished up the rudder... a couple of coats of epoxy/graphite and some wet sanding and polishing and it's ready for the water. Also built a carbon fiber rudder stock that's currently undergoing final finishing. And I'm about to start wet-sanding a nice carbon boom layup that I've been working on.

Looking forward to flipping the hull and glassing the inside in the next couple of weeks when the weather warms a little. Hoping to be able to get this thing in the water this year ...but I suspect when sailing season arrives my free time will be spent getting wet and my build progress will drop proportionately. smile.gif

Cheers,
Tony

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by Killick:
"My intent is to build with a retracting bowsprit and a self-tacking jib similar to many MGs."

Do you have a copy of the Harken catalog? ... good. In the section Harken deck specs, wade through the yacht drawings, to the different system diagrams. You might find some good drawings ... I know there are good diagrams of a retractable bow sprit and different self tacking jibs, with a breakdown of the hardware needed for each individual system.

"I'm also thinking of using a system to pump up the chute."

So that the helm can raise the chute while the crew readies the pole and then trims? ... good one.

http://www.draycotewater.co .uk/fleets/fireball/html/rigging_-_spinnakers_-_boats_w.html (http://www.draycotewater.co.uk/fleets/fireball/html/rigging_-_spinnakers_-_boats_w.html)

Some Fireballs use a 2:1 halyard ... pull up 1 metre and the sail goes up 2 metres.

"I'll have to content myself with (hopefully) trouncing Albacores and Lasers."

It will not be a contest Skipper, beating Laser hopefulls or Albacore sailors ... is totally unfair, smile.gif . An MG14 (the Delta V) is only a handfull of yardstick points off a Freemantle 505 ... and you will race Lasers? ... excellent. It will teach the Lazer jockies to get into real boats (this comment does not concern a Laser 2 sailor, a Laser 2 is cool). You will be finishing a three lap race, while the others are almost finishing their second lap, so you will get to see the fleet by passing them a few times.

If you wanted to email your home address (or PO Box)? (I still have your work email) to my email, I'll download to CD all of my NS14 photographs, most are 3.2 meg, if that suits you of course. Using Mozilla I have to breakdown the photo collection into many postings of small images because of the limited capacity Mozilla appears to have. All my shots bar a few, are rigging shots. I have a few good rudder types and different box shots as well. That I can do quickly.

All the best Mate.

ps, I once raced in an open handicap in a Mirror, the time was a respectable 2 hours 20 minutes, in good wind. A 49er finished the race in 46 minutes. I saw that boat flash by a few times that day ... give the Lasers heaps.

Warren.

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