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  • David W Pratt
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 12331

    Copper Sheathing

    Hey, assembled wisdom of The Bilge, does anyone know how thick the sheathing on British men of war was during the American Revolution?
    Thanks in advance.
  • Andrew Craig-Bennett
    Who?
    • Aug 1999
    • 28506

    #2
    Re: Copper Sheathing

    It was 32 oz per square foot, 0.043" thick, at the bow, 28 oz per square foot,0.037" thick, elsewhere except at the stern, where it was 22 oz per sq ft, or 0.029" thick.

    I believe I am right in saying that the greater thickness was also carried round the waterline. The copper sheets were 48" long x 14" wide, applied over tar and felt, starting of course at the bow and working aft.
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    • Peerie Maa
      Old Grey Inquisitive One
      • Oct 2008
      • 62531

      #3
      Re: Copper Sheathing

      Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
      It was 32 oz per square foot, 0.043" thick, at the bow, 28 oz per square foot,0.037" thick, elsewhere except at the stern, where it was 22 oz per sq ft, or 0.029" thick.

      I believe I am right in saying that the greater thickness was also carried round the waterline. The copper sheets were 48" long x 14" wide, applied over tar and felt, starting of course at the bow and working aft.
      Wasn't that at the heel of the sternpost and working forward and up, so the overlaps faced aft?
      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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      • Andrew Craig-Bennett
        Who?
        • Aug 1999
        • 28506

        #4
        Re: Copper Sheathing

        Yes, of course it was - I have managed to write down the precise opposite of what I sought to convey!
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        • Peerie Maa
          Old Grey Inquisitive One
          • Oct 2008
          • 62531

          #5
          Re: Copper Sheathing

          Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
          Yes, of course it was - I have managed to write down the precise opposite of what I sought to convey!
          Try more water with that.
          It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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          • Andrew Craig-Bennett
            Who?
            • Aug 1999
            • 28506

            #6
            Re: Copper Sheathing

            Copper sheathing was reckoned to last twenty years. The quality of copper was controlled by the Navy.The nails were spaced one inch apart. I've got a coppering hammer somewhere.
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            • Andrew Craig-Bennett
              Who?
              • Aug 1999
              • 28506

              #7
              Re: Copper Sheathing

              Originally posted by Peerie Maa
              Try more water with that.
              Just commuting fatigue.
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              • BrianW
                not your average member
                • Nov 2002
                • 28194

                #8
                Re: Copper Sheathing

                You know Andrew, if you can't be a little more specific, you don't have to answer.












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                • Andrew Craig-Bennett
                  Who?
                  • Aug 1999
                  • 28506

                  #9
                  Re: Copper Sheathing

                  Thanks, Brian.

                  A copper sheathed vessel should never be laid up in a mud berth formerly occupied by a steel hulled vessel or the copper will pit and she will lose speed.

                  The Cutty Sark was sheathed with Muntz metal (a type of brass) which was harder and smoother and which was thought to interact less with her wrought iron frames.

                  The Royal racing cutter "Britannia" was sheathed with special cold rolled sheets of copper in order to produce a smoother surface.

                  I think that's about my stock of copper sheathing trivia.
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                  • Mrleft8
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2000
                    • 31864

                    #10
                    Re: Copper Sheathing

                    Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                    Try more water with that.
                    Less water... Water is what corrodes the copper (Along with salt and cannon balls). If the British navy had resorted to fighting all of their naval battles in a vat of rum, instead of the ocean, things might have turned out differently...

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                    • Andrew Craig-Bennett
                      Who?
                      • Aug 1999
                      • 28506

                      #11
                      Re: Copper Sheathing

                      Actually, what corrodes the copper is the potential difference between aerated seawater in way of the bow wave and the waterline and non-aerated water deeper down; the effect is to make the copper in way of the bow and the waterline anodic and the copper elsewhere cathodic.
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                      • BrianW
                        not your average member
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 28194

                        #12
                        Re: Copper Sheathing

                        Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
                        The Cutty Sark was sheathed with Muntz metal (a type of brass) which was harder and smoother and which was thought to interact less with her wrought iron frames.
                        Was she sheathed when she burned?
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                        • Andrew Craig-Bennett
                          Who?
                          • Aug 1999
                          • 28506

                          #13
                          Re: Copper Sheathing

                          The fire went up not down - most of what was lost was the fake teak deck (teak over soggy ply) dating from an earlier botch up. DON'T get me started on what a complete and utter mess the Cutty Sark Trust have made...
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                          • Mrleft8
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2000
                            • 31864

                            #14
                            Re: Copper Sheathing

                            Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
                            Actually, what corrodes the copper is the potential difference between aerated seawater in way of the bow wave and the waterline and non-aerated water deeper down; the effect is to make the copper in way of the bow and the waterline anodic and the copper elsewhere cathodic.
                            I'm not Donn, yanno....

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                            • Mrleft8
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2000
                              • 31864

                              #15
                              Re: Copper Sheathing

                              Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
                              Actually, what corrodes the copper is the potential difference between aerated seawater in way of the bow wave and the waterline and non-aerated water deeper down; the effect is to make the copper in way of the bow and the waterline anodic and the copper elsewhere cathodic.
                              ... And let's try to keep religion out of this, if we can....

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