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Gib Etheridge
03-21-2012, 08:55 PM
I thought I would try shaping the grips on these new oars with an oval cross section . The goal is to have a more ergonomic shape and at the same time be able to know blade angle without having to look.

I've indexed handles with a flat area before, but this should be an improvement. I find that when I row for a long time with round grips I get cramps in my hands, especially if they are too small, but I never get cramps when splitting firewood, so these grip cross sections are traced from the end of a splitting maul handle.

The oars are 8' 2" long, with pretty long blades, so they are quite heavy outboard, much too unballanced for comfortable rowing, so I drilled a 7/8" hole 12 1/4" into the end and let in 12" of 3/4" lead dowel, about 2.25 pounds, bedded in epoxy. The epoxy is what you see on the end. The oar will make one hell of a club if a bear comes swimming up to the side of the boat some night.

To make the dowel I poured lead into 3/4" copper pipe with a cap on the bottom end and the tube stood upright in a 1" hole bored 3" down into the top of a section of log I use as a chopping block. Once it had cooled I knocked the cap off of the end, sawed the ends clean to 12" with the mitre saw, then made 2 shallow rips the length of the tubing and the depth of the tubing thickness on the table saw and removed the tubing halves, leaving a lead dowel. For some reason the lead doesn't stick to the copper. One of them had to be redone due to the presence of too many air bubbles, I had poured it with the lead not hot enough.
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The only difficult part of the process was boring the hole, 12 1/4" is a long way to drill a 7/8" hole into a 1 3/4" loom without running out. Indeed, I kept checking with a test dowel to see how it was going and had to "steer" the auger some to correct a couple of times for each oar. I was very nervous doing that and decided that if I were to do it again I would laminate up the loom and leave a square mortise for the first 12 1/4" and pour a square lead bar to fill it.


The first photo is of the four 9' blanks, before being cut to length and the looms counterbalanced and the handle shaped. I sat in the boat out in the yard and pretended to row to determine oar length and decided on 2 at 98" and 2 at 108". They are yellow cedar from driftwood, a 2" X 2" shaft with 1" material glued on to provide the width necessary for the blades, the best use of material. The tips are glassed for wear resistance. The epoxy is protected from UV with paint.

So....I'm wondering if anyone else has tried oval grips. What did you think?

Sorry about the wrong order of things here, I'm afraid that if I try to rearrange things I will wind up deleting the text and have to start over. I'd rather watch a movie, so here it is as is.

James McMullen
03-21-2012, 09:11 PM
I use ovalled grips for exactly the reasons you stated: more ergonomic and eyes-free indexing. Works great!

I like them a little bit tapered, widest at the top. And the lead counterweight too. Seems to me you're totally on the right track!

http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/45034/2632465930088484686S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2632465930088484686LJmMwo)

JimConlin
03-21-2012, 09:32 PM
What's the orientation between the long axis of the oval and the blade? Having it other than parallel or perpendicular would be a pain. I suppose that a perpendicular orientation would work.

Chip-skiff
03-21-2012, 09:35 PM
Nice work! Quite a few high-end kayak paddles have oval shafts, which I like. I'll have to look at my wood oars to see if there's enough wood on the grips to reshape them.

I don't use counterweights since I row lots of whitewater and in the event I lose an oar, I want it to float as high as possible. A counterweighted oar with a black tip can be pretty much invisible in rough water.

James McMullen
03-21-2012, 10:17 PM
Perpendicular sets your grip up properly oriented, just like a kayak paddle shaft.

Gib Etheridge
03-21-2012, 11:57 PM
James: Nothing new under the sun, is there? I may taper them eventually, but they feel exactly right just as they are. They do look a bit odd, we'll see.

Jim: I considered having the grips at a cant but then realized that if I did that they would be port/starboard specific, which would be a pain indeed.

Chris: I'm hoping that the weights will make the oar float with enough of the blade showing vertically that it will be easier to spot if it goes over the side. They just may sink. If they do I'll shorten them at the grip, which will remove some of the lead. I'll take them into town and toss one off the dock. I project 6" of blade will be showing, will take a picture.

Sailor
03-22-2012, 01:06 PM
Just like the boathook that floats upright. I like it.

JimConlin
03-22-2012, 03:50 PM
Perpendicular sets your grip up properly oriented, just like a kayak paddle shaft.

Oddly, I was thinking the opposite. Gotta think about this.

Gib Etheridge
03-24-2012, 02:14 PM
As promissed, photo of how they float. I expected 6" freeboard, got 10". I'm quite pleased. Next will be to launch the boat. It was finished just before Christmas, except for the oars. The weather hasn't been so hot either. Maybe tomorrow. It sure is nice out today, maybe this afternoon!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/7011693667_219186942e.jpg

MN Dave
03-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Perpendicular sets your grip up properly oriented, just like a kayak paddle shaft.


Oddly, I was thinking the opposite. Gotta think about this.

They look perpendicular to me. Depends on how you are thinking which handle axis is perpendicular to which blade axis.

What is the boat under construction in the pictures?

seo
03-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Not to say that oval grips aren't a good thing, but it seems that the loads you're putting on your hands while rowing is very different from swinging a splitting maul. An asymmetrical axe (or hammer) helve makes it easier to aim, but I'm not sure that the reason is to make it easier on the hand. But if it works, that's good.

Gib Etheridge
03-24-2012, 09:17 PM
Not to say that oval grips aren't a good thing, but it seems that the loads you're putting on your hands while rowing is very different from swinging a splitting maul. An asymmetrical axe (or hammer) helve makes it easier to aim, but I'm not sure that the reason is to make it easier on the hand. But if it works, that's good.

SEO,

It feels just right out in the yard, but time will tell.

MN Dave,

It's this dory, which I designed and built for my son when he was 14 or so. At 18' by 48" it's not quite right for a full sized adult, so I multiplied the lengths times 1.1666 (plus 1/6), the heigths times 1.1666 with an additional increase in height of 1 1/4" amidships, so a bit less sheer, and the widths are increased times 1.0833 (1/12). Now I won't hit my knees with the oars on the backstroke or catch crabs in rough water, and since it is a bit narrower in proportion to it's length I'm thinking that it will still be easy enough to maintain an average speed rowing of about 4 knots, even though it's a bit heavier.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4104/5063438186_2b1d603407.jpg

You can see the build of the boat the oars are for here;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858202@N05/

MN Dave
03-27-2012, 10:41 PM
That is a beautiful boat. The construction is interesting. It looks like you have two or three layers of strips and glass on the bottom and sort of glued lap/strip plank construction for the planks. It is certainly sturdily built. I've never seen anything quite like it. The shiplap strips for the decks are a clever idea. I had to scroll through a few pictures before I saw how you got a compound curve in what looked like a file bottom. I thought you were a sculptor for a minute there.

The profile looks like a St. Lawrence skiff, and your cross section midships is almost identical to a scaled up Grant Guideboat. I laid the Grant midsection lines on top of the photograph of your drawing on my screen and they are a very close match from the shear down to about 2" from the guideboat bottom, which extends down 1-2" below yours. I don't think 4 knots is going to be any trouble at all. The guideboat is less maneuverable than it should be because of the stem profile, and the St. Lawrence may be a bit slower because of the firmer bilges. You might have improved a bit on both models.

I am used to the guideboat, which is a bit shorter and narrower and still carries 3 adults, and camping gear, but it is a bit crowded. I think you could clear you knees by lowering the seats a bit, as in the guideboats and Rangelys. The downside of lower seats (no pun intended) is that your knees tend to be too straight and as you get older, that gets uncomfortable.

Gib Etheridge
03-28-2012, 01:21 AM
Dave,

You're actually looking at three boats here. The one in post 12 is a multi chined dory built for my son. The one under construction in post 1 is the enlarged and modified version of my son's boat meant to fit me a little better. I think of them as being fairly similar to a gunning dory, but there are significant differences in the various ratios. Maybe some day I will get the chance to compare them side by side, the gunning dory and "Pop's Dory", on the beach and underway. Since the gunning dory is a bit chunkier the one under costruction is probably faster. I'd like that. It may not be though, at 21' that's a lot of rowboat.


The oars are made for use in the third boat, the one shown in the Flickr link, which you did such a nice and complimentary analysis of and which has yet to be launched. There are a couple of photos of "Christopher's Dory" in that link, so it's easy to get them mixed up.

That third boat, the round bottomed one in the link, started out as 2 front ends of a Chas. Beetle whaleboat on the lofting table, scaled down to 21', but was then modified enough that I could never call it a whale boat. Did you notice it has no frames? Each plank is glassed inside and out to keep it from splitting. Even without the frames it's pretty heavy. I expect that it will row best with 2 rowers. It has an overlapping jib that can also be rigged as a main, in either case steering will be accomplished by shifting my body weight or using an oar as a sweep. There's not enough keel to allow upwind sailing. The outboard is 6HP, but I doubt it will ever be asked to produce more that 1/3 of that. It's the smallest outboard I can find with an extra long shaft, which it needs. I may be able to steer under power by shifting body weight as well.

The intended use of the round bottomed boat is to cruise the inside passage. This may not ever happen since over the last year or so I have developed pronounced chronic calcific tendonitis in both shoulders. I'm pretty incapacitated. It's fun building though, a little bit every day.