William Atkins Inga

[Brumenschenkel]

My wife and I are considering building Inga but would like to garner more information on real world experience with the design. Additionally we would like to alter the hull construction method to strip planking. All leads and opinions are appreciated.

Thanks!

[JimD]

Welcome to the forum, Brumenschenkel! And if I may ask, why Inga?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Jim cause its a pretty nice lookin double ender ;)

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/Inga-1.gif

Inga is a wholesome double-end auxiliary designed for the perfect comfort of two on long or short voyages. She is just the right size for a shorthanded crew, being simple in rig, straightforward on deck, handy as a gimlet, fast and comfortable. And, Shipmates, not too expensive to build. And she will sail on her bottom, not her topsides; this latter is an item of importance sometimes overlooked in the quest for speed and extraordinary windward ability, a couple of wistful characteristics that do not always materialize, more's the pity.

[JimD]

Joe, I was hoping for something a little more specific. :D

[Rick Clark]

Can't tell you anything on this boat, I never follow anyone's instructions anyway. I am at this time building a 21' double end er of my own design But it will only hold 1 person and provisions for four month's at sea and three months of survival rations.

One thing to look at is a deep rudder to keep it straight and not broaching in big surfing waves. A little extra ballest in the form of drinking water is real good thing to have on a long passage.

And if you are going to use this boat in real cold waters it will help to put foam on the hull to keep the condensation down and keep the boat afloat and keep you warm. I stuff every inch of extra space with positive foam flotation. Mostly above the water line, you don't want to float upside down. (Poseidon)

Keep it simple so that you can single hand it if you have too.

I have five water tight compartments in this boat. Not even comfortable for accessibility of gear but my life depends on it.

20 years in the Navy taught me a thing or two on survival, weather on land or at sea, maybe not in spelling.

Don't get in a big hurry and make sure of what you really need not want.

If you can't find anyone on the net to help you I would have a naval architect look at the plans and let him make a decision for you, I think that's the best way to go. Be safe not sorry!!!! ;)

Thanks for reading this post. smile.gif

[kc8pql]

Why strip plank?

[Brumenschenkel]

Aesthetics! in a word is the reason for choosing Inga. Having built two other smaller boats, I believe that a love of the final products form is essential to her completion and up keep. There are few to no modern designs that warm the little cockleburs of my heart like the designs of old. Also at the top of my list are Paul Gartsides' 26 & 30' cutters, Mark Snaalders Wynfall, and lastly but not least Tom Mac Laughlins Sovereign. Sovereign would be my first choice if I could rectify the aesthetics part of the equation.

Ingas' aesthetic appeal, coupled with Mr. Atkins' claims, of seawotrthiness, dryness, and speed, are all to my liking. The hull form is an old one , with a relatively shallow draft , a plus for coastal cruising which is where she will spend most of her time. Her accomodations are spartan, and her beam abit narrower than I would like. Consequently I am considering adding that 10% fudge factor which seems to be the accepted limit. Although I can hear the ghost of Bill Atkin moaning at the thought of it. He has numerous warnings posted for those who would tamper with his designs.Probably best to hire a professional.

Additionlay I have tried to imagine this boat with as a gaff rig, and possibly a cutter, but then addng a bow sprit etc, is an even biggr leap away from this simple design. I wish Mr. Atkin had drawn something between Inga and Eric wtih the same pedigree.

I am a believer in the Pardys' mantra of 30' is enough. While we would both like more space I believe with boats smaller is better as what we really want is time spent on the water. We must keep it simple and affordable if it is to happen at all!

My preference would be a strip plank, cold molded combination for the hull as I believe this to require the least maintainence of wood construction methods. Again I will need to consult a professsional to check the changes in framing and displacement.

Inga is pullig hard on my imagination, despite her drawbacks. I have been back and forth across so many designs it makes my head swim. I keep comming back to Inga, something says this is the boat.

Any and all comments are appreciated

Thanks

[JimD]

Sounds like you know what you want. Still, I don't know how you could say no to Smaalders' Wynfall, already designed for strip plank, or if you really wanted to go crazy, his North Sea 29.

[Frank E. Price]

Atkin designed at least several double-enders between 30' and 38' -- Clione comes to mind. She is 34'; ketch rigged with gaff on both masts; double headsails on a medium length bowsprit; raised deck. The deck is raised to the tops of the bulwarks with well decks at bow and stern for protected anchor and headsail handling, and protected cockpit. Norwegian stern of course. "Protected" being relative. Slacker bilges than Inga and presumably not quite as fast. All those terms, seaworthy, fast, etc, are relative and not very meaningful when no references are provided.

The photographer Peter Barlow published a how-to book on marine photography for amateurs in the '70's (sorry I don't recall the title) that has a couple of great photos of a Clione under sail. Pendragon is the boat's name.

Check out the Billy and John Atkin plans catalog for others. The plans are not expensive.

Frank

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Rick Clark:
Can't tell you anything on this boat, I never follow anyone's instructions anyway. I am at this time building a 21' double end er of my own design But it will only hold 1 person and provisions for four month's at sea and three months of survival rations.

Got any drawings you can post? Sounds quite interesting! smile.gif

[Rick Clark]

OK

[ 12-04-2005, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Rick Clark ]

[Rick Clark]

Got it done Thanks smile.gif

[ 12-04-2005, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Rick Clark ]

[Rick Clark]

Ironmule
Thanks

[ 12-04-2005, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Rick Clark ]

[Rick Clark]

Brumenschenkel sorry I butted in Rick

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/p70bea25b4087d1fba8935529eb4acc7f/f12fee99.jpg

Ironmule (Jeff Smith)(Meerkat)
OK you got me on the right track , My boat is similar to the pic above, mine will be 21'long 43" wide on the main fuselage 48" tall.
mine has a flat deck and I will have a cabin about 20" height 43"x43" and lots of lexan glass for light and a flat deck also.

My outriggers are 9' long 18" across the top and 10" on the bottom. Each will support 550#

All controls of the boat will be inside

I will use 2 Lee Boards on mine with 16 sq. feet under water.

When I find someone close to me with a digital camera I will post them here, but on a new topic for me Rick Pics

I still have to play with different sails to see which to use. :confused:

[ 12-04-2005, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Rick Clark ]

[Michael s/v Sannyasin]

The westsail is a Bill Crealock design based on the Atkins' double-enders... definitely sea-worthy boats! I love my gaff-rig.

http://www.greatsoftware.net/sailing/sannyasin1s.jpg

An another view

http://www.greatsoftware.net/sailing/sannyasin7m.jpg

[ 12-07-2005, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Michael s/v Sannyasin ]

[Chan]

Brumenshenkel,
Mink is between Inga and Eric, she's double ended and gaff rigged.
There's another 11 designs between Inga and Eric, though not necessarily double ended or gaff.
Alden also designed a few classics in the 30 foot range, mostly gaff rigged, and at least 3 with relatively shallow draft.