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Tall Boy
02-28-2012, 01:05 PM
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Wyoming Republican state legislator David Miller (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/LegislatorSummary/LegDetail.aspx?LegId=541) has introduced a bill to prepare his state for a doomsday scenario in which the nation's economy and social structure completely collapse.
"Things happen quickly sometimes — look at Libya, look at Egypt, look at those situations," Miller told the Star-Tribune (http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/wyoming-lawmaker-introduces-doomsday-bill/article_a569afbd-61df-504f-bb55-e37547364bad.html). "We wouldn't have time to meet as a Legislature or even in a special session to do anything to respond."
Miller's bill seeks to create a state-run continuity force that would study and prepare Wyoming for potential national or worldwide catastrophes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR_midwZ2f0). One specific component of the bill calls for the state to look into the possibility of issuing its own currency in the event the U.S. dollar collapses.
"If we continue down this course, this is the way any society ends up — with a valueless currency," Miller told the Star-Tribune.
Miller's original bill would have appropriated $32,000 for the task force, but the state's Joint Appropriations Committee (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/LegislatorSummary/CommitteeMembers.aspx?strCommitteeID=02) has already cut the number in half. Six other states have attempted a similar currency creation effort in recent years — and all have failed. While Miller's bill may sound a bit extreme, there have been genuine concerns about the devaluation of U.S. currency in recent years (http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/1028/US-dollar-Prepare-for-a-prolonged-devaluation). Last year, the International Monetary Fund predicted (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/26/critics-say-fed-policies-devalue-dollar/) that China's economy would overtake that of the U.S. in five years.
But, there have been accusations that certain businesses are praying on fears of economic insecurity by plugging cash for gold programs (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/cautious-best-price-selling-gold/story?id=14190667), resulting in individuals selling their precious metals for less than market value (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/jan/16/consumers-warning-recycling-websites).
The Star-Tribune notes that Wyoming's Department of Homeland Security (http://wyohomelandsecurity.state.wy.us/main.aspx) already has a statewide crisis management plan, but it does not include the so-called doomsday scenario. Miller's bill calls for coordination between Wyoming's Homeland Security along with the state attorney general and National Guard adjutant general (http://www.nationalguard.com/news/2011/apr/04/wyoming-welcomes-new-adjutant-general).
The doomsday bill is sure to inspire criticism and even ridicule from some corners, but Miller says his priority is Wyoming. "I don't represent people in Illinois or New Jersey," he said. "I represent people in Wyoming. And I want them to be protected from any catastrophic events that may beset the rest of the country."

02-28-2012, 01:16 PM
I would love to know how many people in the Bilge actually subscribe to such a doomsday scenario.

My vote - it's rubbish born of hysterics, right-wing fear mongering, and fundamentalist nonsense.

David G
02-28-2012, 01:26 PM
I would love to know how many people in the Bilge actually subscribe to such a doomsday scenario.

My vote - it's rubbish born of hysterics, right-wing fear mongering, and fundamentalist nonsense.

And that - I'm sad to say - is putting it mildly.

Glen Longino
02-28-2012, 01:36 PM
Total population of Wyoming 563,000
Count me in on the side of criticism and ridicule!:)

02-28-2012, 01:50 PM
remember the dinosaurs

Osborne Russell
02-28-2012, 02:10 PM
remember the dinosaurs

If only they'd had a plan.

Flying Orca
02-28-2012, 02:21 PM

02-28-2012, 03:43 PM
I guess Wyoming does no business with the other states and it is entirely sefl-suffcient when it comes to food, energy, natural resources and all the other stuff it takes for its people to survive. That state-printed money is going to be absolutely worthless to anyone outside of the state, so forget about trying to buy any out of state goods or services in a doomsday-type scenario.

Flying Orca
02-28-2012, 05:27 PM
And not just the skills; don't forget about that nifty survival knife with the saw on the back of the blade and the emergency stitch kit, fishhook and line, and fire-starter in the handle. Now that's cool. :D

Paul Girouard
02-28-2012, 05:50 PM
Humm , interesting how the theme can be twisted , isn't it!

There's no question that stereotypes exist because, to some degree, limited or not, they must have been based upon some element of either truth... or, in some cases, widely propagated lies.

Thus, the stereotype of Jews as greedy money-grubbers, in the early and mid 20th century, was a misconstruction of the fact that many European Jews were indeed involved in the financial industry as bankers... or were jewelers (still true today, for many orthodox Jews). It is a stereotype which is still strongly accepted, by the way... something that I'm aware of, personally.

Right. Also, groups and individuals behave differently. A group of people from another race/culture/religion can be very annoying, while any one of them may be very pleasant company individually.

And while we all know that the stereotype of Jews is unjustified, that of bankers in the financial industry is another matter... :D

We can certainly do our utmost to control our attitudes, but should we try to regulate the attitudes of others?

Are you saying that you can't use stereotypes to accurately predict the behavior of groups?

Mad Scientist
02-28-2012, 05:58 PM
Yet another dire warning that the Chinese economy will become larger than that of the U.S. Since China has approx. 4X the U.S. population, growing prosperity in China will eventually provide this outcome, without any decline in U.S. prosperity, all things being equal...

Maybe Wyoming might consider using Canadian Tire money :-)


Flying Orca
02-28-2012, 06:04 PM
Well, Canadian Tire is reportedly phasing it out, so there should be plenty around.

02-28-2012, 11:50 PM
This will shock Wyoming, but it's not society that may collapse - it's the environment. Global climate change, whether man-made or not, is nasty business. Using up the last of the oil without the generation(s) needed to put alternate sources in place is catastrophic. The destruction of safe water supplies, either through traditional pollution, fracking, or whatever, makes life nothing less than hell on Earth. So, why turn your back on real problems and invent fictions to scare you that come out of cheesy sci-fi movies?

02-29-2012, 12:01 AM
Someone caught a Blue Marlin in Bass Strait the other day, 1000 or so miles further south than ever seen before, Black Marlin are already present as well. Sub-tropical sealife are being found of Tasmania. The climate is changing alright, this may be of some interest: "A team of experts believes it may have found a good explanation for the extreme bouts of winter weather that swept through the United States and Europe late last year and in early 2011. They say that a deterioration of the Polar Vortex may be to blame for the unusual weather patterns."

Lew Barrett
02-29-2012, 12:08 AM
remember the dinosaurs

If only they'd had a plan.

Best Bilge Quote material.

02-29-2012, 01:53 AM
Born in Wyoming. Live there.

The Wyoming legislature is a petri dish for both corporate corruption and every right-wing republican pathology extant (except for the religio-fetus stuff). One of the bills introduced this session would make it a crime for local governments to pass any laws restricting weapons possession: bars, schools, city council meetings, courtrooms.

And it gets worse every year. I'll never vote for any republican ever again. It's like voting to get cancer.

02-29-2012, 03:52 AM

First half of the article-

CHEYENNE — State representatives on Friday advanced legislation to launch a study into what Wyoming should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.

House Bill 85 passed on first reading by a voice vote. It would create a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.

The task force would look at the feasibility of Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed. And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.

The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. David Miller, R-Riverton, has said he doesn’t anticipate any major crises hitting America anytime soon. But with the national debt exceeding $15 trillion and protest movements growing around the country, Miller said Wyoming — which has a comparatively good economy and sound state finances — needs to make sure it’s protected should any unexpected emergency hit the U.S.

Several House members spoke in favor of the legislation, saying there was no harm in preparing for the worst.
“I don’t think there’s anyone in this room today what would come up here and say that this country is in good shape, that the world is stable and in good shape — because that is clearly not the case,” state Rep. Lorraine Quarberg, R-Thermopolis, said. “To put your head in the sand and think that nothing bad’s going to happen, and that we have no obligation to the citizens of the state of Wyoming to at least have the discussion, is not healthy.”

Aircraft carrier ?:d

02-29-2012, 05:46 AM
What does $16k buy for a "task force"?

The bill must pass two more House votes before it would head to the Senate for consideration. The original bill appropriated $32,000 for the task force, though the Joint Appropriations Committee slashed that number in half earlier this week.

Read more: http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/wyoming-house-advances-doomsday-bill/article_af6e1b2b-0ca4-553f-85e9-92c0f58c00bd.html#ixzz1nlaTsyec

Osborne Russell
02-29-2012, 10:12 AM
Born in Wyoming. Live there.

The Wyoming legislature is a petri dish for both corporate corruption and every right-wing republican pathology extant (except for the religio-fetus stuff).

"Religio-fetus", great !:D

I would say, an irradiated Jurassic Park, breeding monstrous reincarnations of past monsters, like Godzilla.

"Wyoming: where not all the dinosaurs are fossils."

p.s. I love Wyoming and Utah, too. I love going there, I mean. Over the years I've found it best to watch what you say. OTOH -- are you old enough to remember R. Crumb? He did a strip about a guy's face kind of melting as he sat at a table. At the end it said, "Stoned Again !" It was made into a poster.

I was in Nephi, Utah once, outside the general store, just taking it all in, when around the corner came a white carriage being pulled by white horses, preceded by two platoons of guys in tuxedos. Two more platoons behind the carriage. Kind of a blustery, hot-wind day up in the red rocks. In the carriage were, I take it, newly-weds. The Mormon Temple was about two blocks away. In those days Nephi was only about four blocks long. On top of the temple spire, a golden statue of the angel Gabriel is blowing a golden trumpet.

As this procession was passing I got an itch in my hand where I was leaning against the lamp post so I took my hand away and saw, very carefully etched into the metal , a very detailed reproduction, about hand-sized, of R. Crumb's "Stoned Again !" So, without moving my head, I could see either picture.

And that's why I love America, especially Utah and Wyoming.

02-29-2012, 05:18 PM
One of the bills introduced this session would make it a crime for local governments to pass any laws restricting weapons possession: bars, schools, city council meetings, courtrooms.

...because if anything goes well together it's guns and alcohol. Alcohol brings out the most tranquil and reasonable side of our personalities and guns help us to express those thoughts. Why, if everyone in bars had guns I'm sure there would be less violence in bars.

02-29-2012, 06:16 PM
It is amazing to me how so many supposedly educated people make light of preparedness. I think it is related to this...http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2187-incompetent-people-ignorant.html

There was a time when government was prepared to handle a major disaster with a six month supply of food on hand up until the seventies. Now its three to five days. Now instead of FEMA focusing on life saving in major disasters it has switched to mass casualty's instead. That means its up to us to save ourselves now.
Just go back one thousand years and we can see currency collapse, War, Drought and Mini Ice ages which affected millions. To think everything is fine and always will be is the realm of fools and profiteers.
On the currency side Greece is now in default and Portugal is well on its way. The money tsunami is well underway and heading in our direction. To not see it or make light of it at this point is well pretty funny. In this union it is up to the states to lead. This is where it should happen. The Fed will not do it, Nor can it when it comes down to it. They will only be worried about themselves and Continuity of Government. In times of self preservation what make any fool think it would be different.

with just in time supply of just foodstuffs 10 of millions of people in this country would be starving to death within 30 days if something, anything happened to disrupt that supply of food. laugh all you want fools. trust in big brother to save your arses when tshtf. good luck with that - as the folks on the gulf coast can attest after katrina - and that did not even classify as a major disruption on a national scale.

Meanwhile the folks that are prepared will by and large band together and survive while the lemmings and their kin go over the cliff