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JimM
12-20-2000, 06:06 PM
I am new to boat building but have basic wood working skils. I would like to build a 14 to 16 foot sailboat. I would like the boat to be light enough to car top or light trailer. I have looked at building a cosine wherry modified to sail but am looking for other options. Does anyone have any suggestions for type and where plans would be available. I don't have the knowlege to modify normal building plans to strip type constructions. Thanks for your help.

JimM

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Steve Lansdowne
12-20-2000, 07:41 PM
Think that size boat would be difficult to car top, at least by one person, unless it's an ultralight like my Whisp (which is more of a rowing skiff that can also sail). There are a lot of sailboats that size you could build that would be fine, but not light enough to easily car top.

Frank Hagan
12-21-2000, 01:17 AM
Jim, there's a ton of plans out there, including some very light ones. Check out Duckworks, at http://www.duckworksmagazine.com for a list of boats by size, and by different designers, and the Mother of All Maritime Links at http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html

I think Duckworks has some articles on experimental boats people have made using very light materials.

If you are looking for something in the 14' range that you can sail, it will probably be too heavy to car top. But a small trailer, like those sold by Harbor Freight Tools or Nothern ... or probably a place near you ... can handle them, and can be had for between $200 and $300 new.

BrianCunningham
12-21-2000, 03:37 AM
How about Pygmy Boats Inc
The WineGlass Wherry
14' LOA * 48" BEAM * 16" DEPTH * 90 LBS.
http://www.pygmyboats.com/WGWSPECS.HTM
http://www.pygmyboats.com/images/wgw2_074.jpg http://www.pygmyboats.com/images/WGW2_067.jpg
It's stitch&glue plywood not a stripper but it's perfect for a beginner.


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Dave Carnell
12-21-2000, 07:07 AM
I have a simple singlehanded cartopping rig I have used to cartop 16' 150# boats.

Mac McCarthy (Feather Canoes) has a featherweight sailing canoe design. I doubt anyone knows more about designing, building, and using strip canoes.

<HMccar2360@aol.com> Tell him I sent you.

garland reese
12-21-2000, 08:59 AM
Mac has also built the New Jersey Melonseed skiff in strip construction. He has some molds for this boat somewhere. I've been after him to send me some mold patterns for the las couple of years. He builds canoes mostly, and he does not currently have any of the patterns for the Melonseed......maybe if you hassle him too, he'll dig out his old patterns and have some copies made to sell. ........On the other hand---I suppose I could just loft the boat out like he did. His patterns are directly from the offsett in Chappelle's American Small Sailing Craft. You can also get these plans from the Smithsonian. There is a web site for a fiberglass version of this little skiff. It is a fine little boat.....one of the prettiest small sailboats I've seen. She has a sprit rig and a wineglass shaped transom......(sounds like a girl I used to date), but I digress.......
There are some nice modern designs for strip built construction. Have a look at www.nwmarinedesigns.com (http://www.nwmarinedesigns.com) Mr. Gondola's version of the NS14 is a boat that I'd very much like to build. His 16 footer is made for cold molded construction, but it would not be difficult for him to modify the plans for you to build in strip. He is a very nice fellow. I think that you'd get good support from him throughout your project. Just for grins, check out his North East 21....a very nice blend of modern and tradtional.
Also, John Holtrop has a nice 16 footer that is like a big laser www1.iwvisp.com/jholtrop/
There is a very lovely 16 footer called Meadowbird that is built in strip construction. She has a flat plywood bottom and stripped topsides. She can be built as a dayboat or as intended, with a small cuddy cabin with a pop top. GFC boats usually has an ad in WB. Study plans are available.

None of these design would be cartoppable, but a small trailer would do just fine.

good luck.....let me know if you get some Melonseed patterns from Mac. I keep intending to loft this one, but I seem to misplaced my "roundtuit".
garland

RogerVa
12-21-2000, 11:18 AM
Just to stir things up a bit, I was very interested to read Paul Gartside's comments about strip construction. He doesn't like it. You may want to check out his points as well, as they seem, from my novice's perspective, to be valid concerns.
http://www.gartsideboats.com/faq.html#strip
It's by far the most negative assessment of the method I've ever come across, and by someone who's opinion I'm inclined to respect.

Roger

Keith Wilson
12-21-2000, 11:49 AM
Interesting comments by Mr. Gartside, but I think he intends his objections to apply mainly to larger boats. In the size range JimM is looking at, the hull would be sheathed with 'glass cloth inside and out - just a slightly larger strip-planked canoe, really. Not a problem. Gartside's words follow:

"In small boats sheathing inside and out with epoxy impregnated glass cloth works well. This is the method pioneered by the canoe builders and in small frameless hulls will produce a durable boat with an easily cleaned interior. It is surprising how soon the plank lines will start to show through the glass skin on such hulls. In light planking the glass seems to be able to handle the stresses, and I haven't seen outright failures with this technique if done properly."

I personally don't much like strip planking because it seems to substitute drudgery for skill. Lots and lots of little pieces, and then the amazing amount of work required to get the glass cloth smooth and fair, both inside and out! Yipe! Taped-seam is quicker, glued plywood lapstrake is as versatile and involves much less sanding. OTOH, the gentlemen at Bear Mountain Canoes can make gloriously beautiful strip-planked boats (see Ted Moore's "Canoecraft").

One suggestion - For an extensive selection of Phil Bolger's designs, some pretty, some easy to build, some both, try Dynamite Payson's site at http://www.instantboats.com/boats.html
The Gypsy might be a good choice. She convincingly refutes the argument that taped-seam boats have to be ugly.

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JimM
12-21-2000, 08:56 PM
Thank you all so much for the information you posted to the Forum. I realy appreciate the help you have given a novice. I am know off to the bookstore and web site to look up the information all of you provided. Thanks

Jim McGee
East Weantchee, WA