Buzzards Bay 25

[SchoonerDreamin]

Does anyone know of trailerable design similar to Nat Herreshoff's Buzzard Bay 25? Or even where I could come across plans of the original? I love the long, low, lean look of this design........
http://www.dmcboats.com/osolomio1.jpg
http://www.gannonandbenjamin.com/projectimages/Don_varnishing_doors-sm.jpg
http://www.gannonandbenjamin.com/projectimages/Epiphany_ready_for_ramp-sm.jpg

Also does anyone know of any trailerable designs Similar to this Kingston lobster Boat?
http://www.vexcel.ca/images/king02.jpg
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/8/3/5/6/8/83568_1.jpg
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/8/3/5/6/8/83568_2.jpg
http://www.arqueschl.org/projects/images/klb1_lg.jpg

I am mostly interested in the Buzzards Bay 25 so if anyone could provide me with information on this design I would appreciate it......

Thanks in advance, I have always recieved great information on this board and would like to thank all in advance.

[SchoonerDreamin]

In all my own dumbness........I didnt realize Herreshoff's own personal sailing boat, the Alerion is 26 feet long and has a 7'-7" beam and a 2'-9" draft witht the board up......could some supply with a place to located these plans for the "amateur" builder?

[johnw]

Try here.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

Pleasure, which Herreshoff built later in his life, is a little bigger but very similar and trailerable. With a waterline of about 24 ft., it's about half way between Alerion and the Buzzsards Bay 25. For some reason, nobody has built a replica. Maybe it will be the next design revived.

[PVanderwaart]

If you look at the thread "Single Hand Schooner" (now on page two of the thread listing), about 3/4 the way down the page in a post by OEX is a picture of a Kingston Lobster boat on a trailer. It's about 18' loa. Very pretty. (I saw it myself at CBMM where the pic was taken.)

The Buzzard Bay 25 is really big to be a trailerable boat, and based on the BB25 article in WB several issues ago, an exciting, even dangerous, sailboat. The best way to move toward trailerability is to go smaller, probably much smaller. You could keep most of the LWL if you go one of the LFH daysailers, like the Stuart Knockabout. There might be something among Joel White's designs too.

Another thing to look into is the Herreshoff Watch Hill 15. Definitely smaller, but I don't know if it meets trailering definitions.

[Keith Wilson]

Plans for Alerion are available from Mystic Seaport; look here. (http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/collections/shipsplans.cfm?mtyp=vesseltype&mclass=15&mkind=research) Alerion displaces about 6000# and might just be trailerable, if just barely and with a very heavy tow vehicle (although not if carvel planked), but I think the Buzzard's Bay 25 wouldn't. Fior a smaller variation on the same theme, check out Joel White's Flatfish, a centerboard version of the 20'-3" Herreshoff Fish Class. (http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-129)

[ 11-23-2005, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Keith Wilson ]

[Billy Bones]

There was a beautiful c/b knockabout very similar to the BB25 in profile by William Roue of bluenose fame. It was 24'-3"loa x 16'lwl, 7'+ beam, 2' and a bit draft and 230+ sf sail area. WB did a profile of Wm Roue's designs a while back in which the design appeared and from which I'm recalling.

Maybe mmd can tell us if/where Roue's designs might be available.

(edited to add it looks like his design # 731)

[ 11-23-2005, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Billy Bones ]

[RodB]

Alerion's plans are available from MIT with the table of offsets but no lines drawing.... Mystic Seaport has a construction drawing and sailplan and a lines drawing taken off the boat in their collection...but no table of offsets as MIT has the rights to that. You would want to get available plans from both.

Alerion should not be a problem to trailer with an F250 truck with total trailering weight at or under 7500 lbs. I am also considering this design along with the slightly larger version of Alerion,the 30 ft "Pleasure" ...which I believe could still be trailered if one designed a system to raise the 35 foot mast.

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultim atebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=004585 (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=004585)

I assume the plans for the BB 25 are also available from MIT but others here may know if Mystic has one with some drawings available.

This post on Araminta and Quiet Tune has some good photos of the BB 25 with a bit of info.

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=004238&p=

RB

[ 11-23-2005, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[PVanderwaart]

Antonio Dias has a design that is inspired by the BB25. It's very modern with a cb dropping thru a wing keel. The mast is too big to step without a crane, however. (That's true of most of the boats mentioned.)

[Russ Manheimer]

SchoonerDreaming,

Here's a picture of the Joel White Flatfish on a trailer. She just got back from a Summer of sailing in Brooklin, ME. At 3,000 lbs, she was towed by a SUV with no problems. The spars fit on racks foward and aft. All in all delightful package. Of course it helps to have a boatyard handy to rig and launch but that applies to most traditional boats in this size and larger.

The boat sails like a dream and is a great gunkholer with her shallow draft.

http://static.flickr.com/30/55268061_5ee1c31754.jpg

Good luck with your search.

Russ

[DanO]

Since I'm very much an "amateur," but really loved the thought of building a Herreshoff, I scaled down my own ambitions and have been building LFH's Buzzards Bay 14 (17' 3" LOA). Believe me when I tell you, this boat is very, very challenging, and I can only imagine what's involved with building something of this pedigree in or around the 26' to 30' range.

Here's a picture from Chip Flanagan's website:

http://www.chipboat.com/bb14us.jpg

Just something to think about if the larger Herreshoffs seem overwhelming!

Dan

[Carlsboats]

To add to the confusion, I have just finished a 19' LOA keel/CB gaffer, which looks like a
Haven 12 1/2 on steroids, or a cut down Flatfish.
It's called the Block Island 19, and it is 15' LWL. It ought to be more trailerable than the larger boats like Alerion or Fish, being a whole lot lighter than either of those. I got a float-on style trailer made for it. Single axle is plenty.
Unless you are really committed, I wouldn't take on an Alerion. It's a great boat, but a huge amount of work -- probably nearly twice the hours you would put in a Flatfish or a BI 19.
And the BI 19 was handful enough, at least for me.

[DanO]

Aw, come on...no photos of the BL 19? Sounds like a great boat!

Dan

[Billy Bones]

Holy Smokes, Carl...

Is this you??? (http://www.blockislandtimes.com/news/2005/0905/News/026.html)

Great stuff!

[Billy Bones]

Thought I'd bump this interesting thread. I'm particularly curious if Carlsboat is related to the article I found...

[Thorne]

Judging by his email address, I'd say "Yes"...

http://www.blockislandtimes.com/news/2005/0905/News/026p2_lg.jpg

Nice job on a beaut of a boat!

[Carlsboats]

Yeah, that's the boat, and the guy in question.
I do have pictures, a ton of them covering everything from the loft table to the launch. What I don't have is any experience in sending pix via the internet. I have the software in the computer --Picasa 2, Zoom Browser, HP ImageZone, stuff like that -- and the pix are all digital, and either in the hard drive or on discs, but I sure don't know what to do next. If you can take pity on my ignorance, and send tips, I only ask that they be in ordinary English, the only language I half know. This computer non-nerd hasn't the faintest idea of what to do when you say "compress the image," etc. etc.

[thomas cashman]

you might look at the joel White 23" centerboard sloop

[DanO]

I'm no expert either, but if you follow what I do, you'll probably be ok.

Go to imagestation (http://www.imagestation.com) and register for a free account.

From there, you can "upload images" that are on your own computer. Follow the directions for doing so.

Then, when you're on imagestation, "right click" on a photo that you want to copy. Then click on "properties" and you'll see a bunch of stuff starting with "http:" Highlight everything from "www." to the end of the line. Then copy by pressing "Control C" on your keyboard. Close the box and go to WB forum (or any other area where you want to post the photo). Go into the "reply message" and hit "image" (You'll see that below). Then hit Control V to paste the photo. It'll be easier than you think.

Let's see those photos. This looks like a beautiful boat!

Dan

[Zane Lewis]

here Dad's BB14 he build when I was about 12 and not long after I was over nighting in it wityh friends. A surprisingly fast boat and would surprise most NZ trailer boats up to 22 ft. We regually won the under 18 ft division and placed well up in the 20 ft div as well. We did add a genoa but did not have the Ba**s to put a spinnacher on her. A broach would be a fast track for sinking. Did our best racing in under 5knts and over 15knts. Under 5 and the weight and low resistance hull would carry us through and over 15knts 1/2ton of lead drove us to windward faster than anything else in our size.

http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/boatmischief/1Littlemischief.jpg
Back in 81-86 we towed her with a 1.8 FWD Toyota Corona. Just keep those revs up and allow lots of time for stopping. ie don't tow too fast.

http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/boatmischief/1cbb145.jpg
and in later life not being sailed as well and in need of some sail tuning.
http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/boatmischief/2Littlemischief.jpg

I have other pics but not on the web
Hope you find what you are looking for
Cheer's Zane

[ 11-30-2005, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Zane Lewis ]

[DanO]

Hey, Zane

I recall seeing your photos on the Forum awhile back. I'm still working towards getting my BB14 built. I should have the planking done in the next month or so if all goes well. I just poured the lead keel, but I'm going to have to redo it in the spring. lead casting (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012680)

I'd love to see more photos of yours if you can scan them in or whatever. I'm looking for inspiration!

Dan

[ 12-01-2005, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: DanO ]

[CWSmith]

Has anyone heard of a Buzzards Bay 25 for sale (maybe as a winter restoration project) at a reasonable price? I won't quote the price I've seen recently - you'd think I was nuts!

[rbgarr]

The remaining original BB 25s are prized objects and all are well cared for. Modern replicas are also well cared for and not cheap when they come on the market, as you've seen. Occasionally a similar smaller design, an 'Alerion' replica/version comes on the market that might qualify as a project. A couple have appeared and sold on eBay in the past few years. That's about as close as you'll get AFAIK.

[Bill Perkins]

I'm glad this thread has been pulled up again .I'd lost the Kingston Lobster boat pics . To me that's one of the most perfect builds I've seen on the forum . Anyone know the builder ?

[Zane Lewis]

HI Dan,
Good luck with your building project. I will add a few more pic's shortly. A number of them where taken after we sold her she never looked quite the same. Something about not being sailed or set up as well. If we did another one I'm look at the gaff rig or putting a softer mast in it that we had.

I will sart a new thread for you

Zane

[RT MAN]

http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Alerion111/Alerion%20on%20the%20trailer/

I went on a road tripp this summer and when I got back home 8 days later this thing was hooked to back of my vehicle, needless to say I was very excited.

I can hardly wait to get in the water for her maiden voyage.

[Zane Lewis]

Hi RT Man
any progress photos of your Aleron ??
Zane

[CWSmith]

Over the Thanksgiving holiday I saw the Buzzards Bay 25 "High Cotton" moored below my parent's home upriver from Annapolis. Even from 50 yards away she stole my heart! What a lovely design with long overhangs and concave sections to the bow. What a lovely design. Now I know why so many search for this boat. Interesting history to this particular boat, but the design is the thing. Lovely!

[rbgarr]

She is prominently featured on a postcard taken in the harbor here. Just about every corner store sells it.

AFAIK, she's a 1993-4 Brooklin BY built boat and was Jimmy Buffett's for a while in Key West. I had a 'discussion' with someone on Nantucket who simply insisted she she was built by Concordia and was pretty dismissive about it; he was trying to impress some girl. Quite the dufus.:D

Is there more to the story?

[Russ Manheimer]

Dave,

I think I recall Steve White speaking of High Cotton being built there. My brother had a BB25 for a year while his own Bob Stephens designed Babson Island 35 was being built at BBY. Stephens based the design on the BB25, giving her a bit more length and a modern underbody.

As soon as Flickr sees fit to let me back in to my account I'll post a pic of Tendress that shows the family resemblance. Some family.

Russ

[SNagy]

There were 5 Buzzards Bay 25's built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, 4 of which still exist. 3 of the 4 have been restored and are well-cared for. The 4th one, MINK, needs to be restored and is in the possession of MPG in Mystic. I am assuming that they will sell it as part of a restoration commission. If it is an original you are after, this is probably your only realistic option.

-Steve Nagy

[dennisbur]

There was a beautiful c/b knockabout very similar to the BB25 in profile by William Roue of bluenose fame. It was 24'-3"loa x 16'lwl, 7'+ beam, 2' and a bit draft and 230+ sf sail area. WB did a profile of Wm Roue's designs a while back in which the design appeared and from which I'm recalling.

Maybe mmd can tell us if/where Roue's designs might be available.

(edited to add it looks like his design # 731)

[ 11-23-2005, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Billy Bones ]

You can contact Mr. Roue's great granddaughter at. www.wjroue.com (http://www.wjroue.com). She still has some of the plans or may know where to get them. Eventually she hopes to make as many of the surviving plans available.

[CWSmith]

No, nothing much more to the story. She is now in Maryland and in very good hands. I'm told I could likely get an invite to sail on her this summer and will take the opportunity if it materializes. I've never sailed a classic like this - shallow and wide with fine ends and lots of canvas. I imagine it's pure joy.

[P.L.Lenihan]

I'd lost the Kingston Lobster boat pics . To me that's one of the most perfect builds I've seen on the forum . Anyone know the builder ?

Yup.Jean-Pierre Fournel of Vexcel Yachting,just down the river from me. Check here under the "for sale" section on the left hand side of the page.

http://www.vexcel.ca/eindex.html

Peter

[luizebs]

Antonio Dias has a design that is inspired by the BB25. It's very modern with a cb dropping thru a wing keel. The mast is too big to step without a crane, however. (That's true of most of the boats mentioned.)


Somehow, I simply cannot find any Antonio Dias designs on the web.

His site seems to be about something else (more general design, architecture, etc...)

Can you post photos of this boat?
(And also provide links to other boats from Antonio Dias)?

Thanks a lot