Any book recommendation on interior boat designs?

[Ted Hoppe]

As silly as it sounds to some...I am looking into turning a local quick racing boat (like a Knarr or Dragon) into a weekend cruiser instead of a camper. As it is right now sometimes it takes me a full day to get to some racing venues here in the SF Bay. If I could stay comfortably aboard it would make for a much more pleasant racing season.

What books would be a good place to start if one wanted study up on their way to begin build out of day racer with a small cabin into a weekend cruiser boat?

Thanks!

[bthomas]

I have several books on the shelf that have suggestions for interiors but they are cruiser focused...following their instruction would be seriously detrimentrial to a performace hull such as the two you quote.

Weight savings /weight management will esssential if the boats you mention are going to remain competitive when racing identical hulls...and every thing added will be a source of serious frustration (may be less obvious in a PHRF style regatta if this type of handcap is used in your area but the damage will still be slowing you down).

My opinion is that the books I once used for inspiration to similarly convert an interior of 9 pipe berths in 38' , 1982 vintage 15,000 # IOR boat to a more finished out "full IMS style" interior would be terrible references for any modifications in a Knarr or a Dragon. Even in that "big" beamy [12 + feet] IOR hull my accomadations were detrimentral to the performance .

Ok but my pipe berth raw fiberglass Gran Prix pure race IOR boat was out dated when I got it and I was simply fooling myself that an interior would change a race boat into a more crusier friedly boat.

..I managed and enjoyed it more at the dock and less on the racecourse but it was never a comfortable cruiser...it kept all its race "qualities" [like that flat IOR entry that pounded in waves and even through wildly beamy its stability needed 10 bodies on the rail since it had only about 3500# ballast].

My best suggestion for those really classic shapely hulls (Knarr and Dragon) is to keep it spartan / minimal and as light as possible. Pipe berths can be comfortable for weekending. Thise are real sailing boats and it would be sad to overload yjhem for comfort at the dock.

That said books that I used for ideas on interiors: [not suggesting these are not suitable for your candidate boats]

Ferenc Mate;--"From a Bare Hull"&"The Finely Fitted Yacht"
Fred Bingham; ---"Practical yacht Joinery"
Daniel Spurr; ---"Yacht Style" & "Upgrading the Cruising Sailboat"
Matthew Walker;---"Down Below"

Good luck and perhaps you could talk this idea thru with some of the other local owners of Knarr's or Dragon's....they may have some direct experience based stories to share

[outofthenorm]

Have a look at this thread. http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?139928-Denmark-with-my-girls-and-my-skerrycruiser-now-three-inches-longer

Ingo's boat is a fine example of what can be done in a tiny space on a really skinny boat.

Might also be worth looking at what the Folkboat offers.

- Norm

[flyinwall]

i have "Boat Interior Construction" by Michael Naujok on my bookshelf at the moment

[Ian McColgin]

Bruce Bingham's stuff is generalizable. Worth a look.

[farwesthoops]

Fred Bingham's book on Practical Joinery is very helpful for me.

[48lobster]

google images....

[Ian McColgin]

farwesthoops is right, it's Fred. Why was I thinking Bruce? Anyway, at least one of his books is available through the WoodenBoat Store so look there.

Edited to add: In looking on the WoodenBoat Store site for Boat Joinery & Cabinetmaking by Fred Bingham I came across Boat Interior Construction by Michael Naujok, also good.

[rohinmyson]

0.57 cents

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0877421404/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

[Ted Hoppe]

Thanks much. ordered the Bingham book. I'll take some pictures today of the interior and post for ideas.

As for Ingo... we can aspire.
Okay, now we are ready to sail...
http://www.datenbank-bildungsmedien.de/ingo/2011/IMG_0197.jpg

http://www.datenbank-bildungsmedien.de/ingo/2011/IMG_0198.jpg

My outbord motor has just 3.5 hp, but this is good for 5kn what is far enough for any harbour maneuvers.

So it was summer and time for holiday with my daugthers Franka (12) an Janne (10). But how to get all this luggage in the boat???

http://www.datenbank-bildungsmedien.de/ingo/2011/IMGP0002.jpg

[bthomas]

Ted,

As noted in this string Fred Bingham has (2) books

original 1983
---"Practical Yacht Joinery"....

then 'revamped' and reissued in 1993 as

---"Boat Joinery & Cabinetmaking simplified"

I have both versions and my own preference is for the spiral bound original (which is larger format). I have not compared them page by page but the second version when casually browsed looks to muchof the original material.

the inside cover of Boat Joinery says "This new edition ...includes all new material on nauticaly influenced projects for home or camp ...its price is substantially less than that of its august predecessor"

I mention this because if you have a choice you may want to inspect the two before making your selection .

I have already enjoyed this thread...that link to INGO pictures more than worth price of admission...so I am eager to see pictures of your boat as well:)

[Clive P]

Am doing the same to a 55 year old Dragon. First look at the origional Dragon drawings, before they were cut down to a cuddy.
Then check out Tumlares, & some of the newer Scandinavian boats. Interier photos are hard to find, not much room for a camera.
Morin Scott's" Gerda's sea saga"gives a few sketches & photos, but a great feel of cruising a Dragon.
Likewise Dorothy Hellings' "Close quarters" , cruising with family in a Tumlare.
And remember that Uffa Fox said the interior was great for carrying enough gear for an older man to be comfy in an hotel!.
Clive P