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cs
12-06-2011, 01:27 PM
I thought that maybe I would post some pictures of the build off between Paul JR, Paul SR and Jessie James. Each one of these builders went a completely different route.

Jessie James went the pure chopper way and built his bike from scratch to include the frame.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/photos/jesse-james-build-off-final/images/30028_14.jpg

Paul JR's bike is a theme bike molded after a WWII Mustang and even routed the exhaust out the side of the tank.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/photos/paul-jr-designs-build-off-final/images/30034_Paul-Jr-Build-off-bike-0119.jpg

Paul SR went even a completely different way with a three wheel tracked electric flame throwing bike.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/photos/occ-build-off-final/images/30025_OCC-BuildOff2.jpg

Three different builders with three completely different, so different in fact I don't think you can even compare them. I think Jessie James built the best chopper and Paul Jr built the best theme bike while Sr built the most inventive bike.

Chad

Ted Hoppe
12-06-2011, 01:33 PM
Jr. Designed and built a work of art that can be ridden. the others look like more hassle and nearly unridable.

Tylerdurden
12-06-2011, 01:33 PM
Hands down only one true Craftsman in the bunch and he got part of Sandra Bullock too. Never understood the tattooed chicks thing but Meagan Fox is helping expand my horizons in that direction :)

bobbys
12-06-2011, 01:33 PM
I think JJ built the best one for actual riding then JR.

I like the copper in JRs but not sure if its ride able, If it is then i might go for it first.

Either way around the block is a reach on those seats

Tylerdurden
12-06-2011, 01:42 PM
I think JJ built the best one for actual riding then JR.

I like the copper in JRs but not sure if its ride able, If it is then i might go for it first.

Either way around the block is a reach on those seats

http://www.sam-hayne.com/graphics/079.jpg

Ted Hoppe
12-06-2011, 01:43 PM
take Jrs. Bike and put a comfortable stylish seat - for riding purposes only - I think even Megan Fox might come over for some conversation.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4907291852_a44f4c6fce.jpg

Tylerdurden
12-06-2011, 01:47 PM
take Jrs. Bike and put a comfortable stylish seat - for riding purposes only - I think even Megan Fox might come over for some conversation.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4907291852_a44f4c6fce.jpg

And when that bike breaks down and the seams open up on that poorly constructed tank we can stop and pick Meagan up and wave bye bye. :)

Ted Hoppe
12-06-2011, 01:47 PM
I have seen JJ bikes on the road... They are good for Starbucks runs and not much more. With any Jessie James bike, I would invest in a case of blue locktite and a great support trailer.

I might suggest a toy hauler when you pick up Megan as it does have space for entertaining.

Willin'
12-06-2011, 01:49 PM
Ape hangers = numb hands and tired shoulders. For once I wish they'd build bikes that a person would be likely to actually hit the road on!

I'd favor Jr's bike if I had to chose one. In addition to the lousy riding position on JJ's chopper, aesthetically, I hate the big empty area inside the main triangle above the engine and below the tank. Sr's tri is just silly.

Tylerdurden
12-06-2011, 02:02 PM
I guess you actually have to ride one. Other than the Hard tail they actually handle and can be ridden. Of course I tend to measure things by the quality of the construction not at how pretty it is.

BrianY
12-06-2011, 02:06 PM
JJ's bike looks like the kind of bike that some kid in 10th grade would draw on his notebook while snoozing through a math class. Th eproportions look wrong to me - all that empty space in the frame. It also looks incredibly uncomfortable to ride.

Jr's bike is definitely a work of art but it looks fragile and artificial - like a motorcycle-shaped brooch or christmas tree ornament.

Sr's bike is just wacked...not a bike at all but I bet it would be fun to ride!

Ted Hoppe
12-06-2011, 02:07 PM
a hard core biker on that styled chopper with ape bars in a cross wind will turn a 1%er into a Christian biker in seconds.

In a political note... The 1%er that could and would ride a JJ bike is a 1 percenter. man all those bikes exceed over 100k or more.

cs
12-06-2011, 03:18 PM
I like what all three of them did. As far as riding, I think that maybe Jr's would be the most comfortable for me. I would like to have Sr's, because that just looks like it would make and awesome toy.

Chad

bobbys
12-06-2011, 03:57 PM
I see the old hard core bikers ride baggers.

Some have a chopper for show and to use for short rides..

On Sunny days they are pulled out of Garages in suburbia and they buzz around and rev the motors so one knows they are out and about.

CWSmith
12-06-2011, 04:09 PM
Putting the exhaust pipe through the gas tank - makes me want to RUN the other way when they start it up. I can't believe it's legal.

Has anyone seen SR's flame-thrower on the road? Can it cruise at 50, or is it just a 3-wheeled tank? If it can move at speed, then it's pretty cool.

bobbys
12-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Putting the exhaust pipe through the gas tank - makes me want to RUN the other way when they start it up. I can't believe it's legal.

Has anyone seen SR's flame-thrower on the road? Can it cruise at 50, or is it just a 3-wheeled tank? If it can move at speed, then it's pretty cool..

I do notice pipes turn blue from heat

Stiletto
12-06-2011, 04:16 PM
That second bike looks a lot like that new scooter thing in another post!

I can understand that choppers are essentially an art form, I wonder how long it will be before the ability to be ridden becomes redundant. It look like that time is getting closer!

CWSmith
12-06-2011, 04:16 PM
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I do notice pipes turn blue from heat

You mean on JR's bike where they run through the gas tank? Holy ... You have to think he insulated them in some way, but what an obscene risk.

The Bigfella
12-06-2011, 04:23 PM
I hope they sound good... because I can't see anything else good about them.

seanz
12-06-2011, 04:27 PM
I'll take the trike. To me it just says "Let's roast marshmallows on the beach".

DGentry
12-06-2011, 07:13 PM
Jr's bike has a single lefty "fork" (which Cannondale has been doing on mtn bikes for years) and rear swing arm. The wheels look too tall to me, though, or maybe the seat needs to go much higher.
JJ was riding his and had to do so with his head way out to the side, because the tank was directly in front of his face.

The finale is on tonight. I guess Sr won't be driving his to the show . . . . The flamethrowers is good, but he should have made the thing amphibious, and also put a ski on the back, like a backwards snowmachine.


Wait . . . is this the bilge??

cs
12-06-2011, 07:43 PM
If you go to Discovery right now you can catch the last half of yesterday's show with the finale starting at 2100 est.

Chad

cooperg
12-06-2011, 07:51 PM
Choppers, my ass gets sore just thinking about them... And with a wooded seat, You got to be kidding me.

Gerarddm
12-06-2011, 08:13 PM
JJ has done more inventive bikes in the past. Jrs designs tend to be very gew-gaw, just awful. And Sr is not too far behind. The only decent bike they put out together at OCC was the I,Robot theme bike. Everything else IMHO was junk.

There are a LOT better and more creative motorcycle builders/artists than Sr/Jr. By far. Arlen Ness, for one. And even he is over the top for me. I'm more old school, as in Falcon and Deux Ex Machina.

purri
12-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Some Euros and Japanese do more street friendly stuff.

Canoeyawl
12-07-2011, 11:45 AM
This one might make a pretty good rototiller

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/photos/occ-build-off-final/images/30025_OCC-BuildOff2.jpg

pipefitter
12-07-2011, 12:34 PM
Anything Harley, or motorcycle in general has been done to death which is why the TV worthy has become garage art. One could say the same for many types of modern wooden boats as well. Just about any of the crafts these days have consumed themselves to the point where it all has to be about expression. The only difference being, the artists can't afford to wait until they are dead to become famous or understood, and as these so called masterpieces become either less self explanatory without a narrative, or way too predictable and obvious.

As soon as I see computer software and CNC entered into the equation, or someone that can afford to toil into the hand arts until it is just so, irrespective of financial gains or losses, the challenge is no longer apparent to me. I know people that can do a lot of things, but then I am prompted to ask, "can you make a realistic living at any one of those things you do/did?"

Bob Adams
12-07-2011, 01:11 PM
You mean on JR's bike where they run through the gas tank? Holy ... You have to think he insulated them in some way, but what an obscene risk.

Tank is fake, gasoline is stored in a one gallon semi hidden tank below/behind the engine. No much range eh?

Hunky Dory
12-07-2011, 01:30 PM
I didn't see the whole show but did catch the last 15 minutes. I think Srs. contraption looks like a hollywood sci-fi prop. Jr. had the coolist styling but what good is a bike with a 20 mile range. JJ well he is hands down the most skilled metal worker and makes bikes that can be ridden. I think the copper bike in post #5 is one of his better works. I think the public is a little tiered of JJs antics in his public life and by not going up to congratulate Jr. for his win was just bad sportmanship. The show has a whole just reeked with to much typical tv glitze and glamour

Tylerdurden
12-07-2011, 01:40 PM
I missed it but besides what I think of Jesses personal life he is by far hands down the skilled craftsman of the bunch and if only real bikers had a vote I am pretty sure who would win. I don't care for choppers in general but the Jr. and Sr idiots have to accept he was essential for them to get their start as he led the movement along with many others long before they cam on the scene. I think if anyone looks over the OCC choppers over the years they will see James influence all over the place.

Pipefitter is right that everything under the sun has been done already and as James pointed out the two clowns are cake decorators.

bobbys
12-07-2011, 01:46 PM
I had a Honda 450 with apehangers, 6 inch extended front end, straight pipes and rattle can paint job when JJ was in diapers!

Tylerdurden
12-07-2011, 01:51 PM
I had a Honda 450 with apehangers, 6 inch extended front end, straight pipes and rattle can paint job when JJ was in diapers!

You cannot be forgiven. Ever.

Waddie
12-07-2011, 01:54 PM
All three are pieces of crap. They are un-rideable, would beat you to death on any kind of long ride, and fall way short as works of "art". James has been very over-rated, and the Tuttles have always been more about marketing than skill.

regards,
Waddie

2001 Yamaha V Max rider.

Tylerdurden
12-07-2011, 02:00 PM
All three are pieces of crap. They are un-rideable, would beat you to death on any kind of long ride, and fall way short as works of "art". James has been very over-rated, and the Tuttles have always been more about marketing than skill.

regards,
Waddie

2001 Yamaha V Max rider.

Best one yet! Yamaha. Too funny!

Waddie
12-07-2011, 03:50 PM
Best one yet! Yamaha. Too funny!

It leaves anything you might ride in the dust. If you actually ride at all....

regards,
Waddie

The Bigfella
12-07-2011, 04:04 PM
It leaves anything you might ride in the dust. If you actually ride at all....

regards,
Waddie

He rides his fantasies every night.

A friend was telling me about the VMax a few years back. He thought it was terrific. He was, at the time, a full-time GP racer (125s) and was home for the off season and was given one to try out. He came around a curve on it... in a 60kph zone, doing 200.... and there was a police radar trap. He decided that it was best to not stop.

delecta
12-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Motorcycles are stupid on so many levels. Is it necessary to list them?

I think Paul Jr. has the most artistic ability of the three.

The Bigfella
12-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Yeah - go ahead. List them. Show us what you've got

delecta
12-07-2011, 04:48 PM
Yeah - go ahead. List them. Show us what you've got

Poor fuel economy

No operator protection

No HVAC

If you want to ride off road, cool. Riding on any highway with a motorcycle is just dangerous.

The Bigfella
12-07-2011, 04:58 PM
Poor fuel economy? Depends on the bike. I did over 3,000km last year on one bike that got 120mpg. Never had a car that'd do that.

No operator protection? Eh? I wear a helmet, armoured clothing - of various types, depending on where I'm riding and so on. I've got boots that I can and do wear to business meetings... but for off-road use, I've got better boots, knee braces and the like. Incidentally, the chances of needing hospitalisation in a bike accident are halved if gloves and boots are being worn (wearing a helmet is taken as a given)

No HVAC? Wrong. Again, depending on conditions, the HVAC is there... apart from the AC part, which isn't necessary... and isn't good for you anyhow. I've got electrically heated gloves and vest, for example.... and rode comfortably in the snow last winter.

Dangerous you say? So is sitting at a computer getting fat.

delecta
12-07-2011, 05:44 PM
I take it you don't like motorcycles. That's fine..nobody is forcing you to ride one.

I've been riding for the past ten years, safely, and I enjoy it. I recognize that there are greater risks, which is why I ride conservatively and carefully.

And the 50mpg I get from my bike (750cc) is a damn sight better than I ever got from any car.

I got my first motorcycle when I was 13, a Harley Davidson http://huskyrestoration.com/?p=1116 I rode the piss out of it and my last bike was a BMW K1100RS.

Like I said, motorcycles are stupid.

You get 50mpg huh? carrying one person, cool.

bobbys
12-07-2011, 05:48 PM
You cannot be forgiven. Ever..

In 1970 A honda 450 was a pretty hot bike, The 750s were not out yet or just coming out, It was just as fast as a BSA or Triumph {almost}, Later on i had a sportster that was way cool but no where near as good a bike as the Honda, Course it was a 74 AMF, Nowadays a 450 does not sound like much, granted but it was a step up from a 305 dream.

pipefitter
12-07-2011, 07:49 PM
Those 450 Honda twins could be built to go pretty fast and many were built for drag racing in their afterlives. Most of my bike driving was small town driving so I opted for the two stroke triples. A 400 KH and a 750 h2. Both purchased disassembled and needing top end rebuilds. The 400, I traded a 1976 Honda CR125ME Elsinore that I rebuilt from the ground up. The H2, I traded a 175 cc Puch MX'r that I had done some yard work for, along with a Honda XL 250.

I started out with:

A 60cc Rockford Motors powered "Chibi" 3 speed mini bike

Rupp Roadster 2

Honda XL70

Honda XL 100

Honda CR125ME Elsinore (the ME was the 6 speed)

Puch 175 MX

Honda XL 250

Kawasaki KH 400

Kawasaki H2 750

Yamaha TT 500 (A Thumper that my boss had given to me to repair and never picked it up)

And finally, a 1973 Honda cb 750 that was RC engineering equipped and punched out to 900 cc's.

A drunk driver ended my motorcycle desires in 30 seconds or less, while I was driving at 35 mph, in rush hour traffic on highway 41 in Ft Myers FL. The Honda 750 I bought after the wreck, but was never able to feel confident enough to use it as a serious mode of transportation. Drove it to work a few times, had a few more close calls and decided it was not meant for me to drive bikes full time.

Now that cell phones have been added to the driving scene, there is no way in hell I would ride bikes on the street. At least in the city.

The Bigfella
12-07-2011, 08:56 PM
Sheesh.... this an Alzheimers test? Dunno how I'd go. Lessee....


1955 or so Vespa scooter

1949 Matchless G80S 500cc single... hardtail

1972 Suzuki T250J twin

2 x Ducati 350cc Mk3 singles

Honda K1 750cc four

Yamaha TY250 single trials bike


I've still got the following, except where noted

1974 BMW R90S twin - taken out to 1000cc

1974 Harley Davidson FLH Shovelhead twin 1200cc

1947 Harley Davidson Knucklehead... minus some critical bits, like an engine, more's the pity

1974 MZ 250 single

Honda XL 250 single

Zinda 110cc single "Chinahonda" scooter... gone to someone in Hanoi

BMW F650 Funduro single... gave it to my son, but stole it back while he's OS

13 x Honda CT90 and CT110 "bitzer"singles... have given a couple of them away too

2008 KTM 950 Super Enduro R, twin

Sheesh, I count 28 there.... and I've only ever sold 5 of them. Shhh... don't tell the missus.

purri
12-07-2011, 08:59 PM
I can only relate to personal circumstance. I've been licenced and riding for 48 years. A few scares and road rash early on but no broken bones.

PeterSibley
12-07-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm not keen on choppers but if I rode one this would do nicely ....


http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399947090.jpg

The Bigfella
12-07-2011, 09:49 PM
I'm not keen on choppers but if I rode one this would do nicely ....


http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399947090.jpg

Yep.... that's a nice look. How do those things handle with tyres like that? Is a set of esses to be approached with caution or with gusto?

Waddie
12-07-2011, 09:49 PM
I got my first motorcycle when I was 13, a Harley Davidson http://huskyrestoration.com/?p=1116 I rode the piss out of it and my last bike was a BMW K1100RS.

Like I said, motorcycles are stupid.

You get 50mpg huh? carrying one person, cool.

Most cars carry only one person 90% of the time. How many of them get 50mpg?

regards,
Waddie

pipefitter
12-08-2011, 12:04 AM
I'm not keen on choppers but if I rode one this would do nicely ....


http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399947090.jpg

That's the style I like as well and I am also not a fan of choppers.

purri
12-08-2011, 12:05 AM
Yep.... that's a nice look. How do those things handle with tyres like that? Is a set of esses to be approached with caution or with gusto?
With a large front tyre (increased mass) the issue of precession sets in and you get a big time wobble up. HD went to a big front tyre in 41 and had to alter the trail to cancel it out (in part). Poor tyre profile as above increases the risks and BTW that's a pre 36 (JD and VL) fork fork, not exactly strong when used in the Big Twin.

Breakaway
12-08-2011, 12:09 AM
1976 mininbike--Briggs and Stratton 5-hp lawnmower engine

1978 YZ125

1981 Suzuki GS 1100

1982 laid it down and still have some gravel in my elbow.

2011-just smiled as my good friend bought his first bike ( A DUCATI!) at age 53.


Kevin

lumberjack_jeff
12-08-2011, 12:36 AM
A bobber is more my thing.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/2548690076_2246291f2f.jpg

purri
12-08-2011, 12:42 AM
^same for my BT 44U model; XA repro front end with ribbed tls front brake and 3.00x21 tyre, skinny front guard and bobbed rear with 42 inch duals. 520lbs wet.

PeterSibley
12-08-2011, 12:52 AM
Maico 250 scooter
Honda 55 step through
125 Yamaha .YA6 ...an excellent bit of gear .
Suzuki 70 Step through.
Honda X250
Velo Venom ....sold to pay for land .
Honda XL 350
Yamaha XT 500
Suzuki 185 ag.
Enfield 500
BMW R80 ST

The Bigfella
12-08-2011, 06:39 AM
Maico 250 scooter
Honda 55 step through
125 Yamaha .YA6 ...an excellent bit of gear .
Suzuki 70 Step through.
Honda X250
Velo Venom ....sold to pay for land .
Honda XL 350
Yamaha XT 500
Suzuki 185 ag.
Enfield 500
BMW R80 ST

I could've been sure you had a CT90....

PeterSibley
12-08-2011, 06:42 AM
Only ones that run mate, that one is a sidecar chassis to be .

and thank you again . 2 wheels that size are hard to find should I need a trailer .

Tylerdurden
12-08-2011, 01:39 PM
How about a list of bike we haven't owned?

Brian Palmer
12-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Exhaust pipes coming out of the tank = CO (carbon monoxide) in the face, hot exhaust either on your knees or your hands. Bad idea.

Gerarddm
12-08-2011, 09:04 PM
In chronological order:

Honda CL250 street scrambler
Triumph T120 Bonneville
Honda 350
BSA 441 Victor thumper
Yamaha SR500 thumper
Yamaha 650
Norton 750 Commando
Kawasaki W650 retro


Done. No longer have interest.

Keith Wilson
12-08-2011, 09:51 PM
Honda CB450
Honda Benly 160 (square headlight, square shocks and all)
Two Ducati 250 singles
Suzuki GT750 triple (with a sidecar for a couple of years)
Yamaha SR500
and with my son, a Yamaha XS650

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-09-2011, 04:54 AM
BSA D14/4 Bantam - Almost the mandatory starter bike at the time
Yam RD200DX - Best lightweight
Beamish/Suzuki RL250 -
Yam XS250 - grey porridge
Kawa - 400 twin - forgettable
BSA ZB31 - 1951 gone-off grey porridge and the highest weight to power ratio ever)
Triumph T120V (71/72) - All roller bottom end - why the Brit bike industry died.
Honda CB125 single - one of the world's truly great engines
Honda 250 Superdream - possibly the most dangerous bike I've ever ridden
Honda 400 Dream twin - Really nice middleweight
BMW R75/7 - Best all rounder.
BMW R65 - Effective but charisma free - gimme back my flywheel.
BMW KRS - Quick but vibratory

Stiletto
12-09-2011, 04:18 PM
Suzuki T125 wolf.
Suzuki T350 II rebel
Norton ES2 500
Honda 90
Norton 750 combat
Kawasaki Mach III
Suzuki TS250
Norton 750 commando
Suzuki GSX1100
Bultaco 125

Ted Hoppe
12-09-2011, 04:40 PM
The WBF winter bike challenge is on...I propose building cafe racer mopeds. (you should be able to find one under 500, fix it and sell for the amount you put in it).
Lets get inspired...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UT9FKQvdrME/Sq-geWfqTBI/AAAAAAAAFrY/DWc13zh3GOE/s400/3766304043_b939f0c8ed_o.jpg

for those near boston....http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/2742054341.html

Waddie
12-09-2011, 06:47 PM
You wanna "work of art"? Here's your work of art. I've owned several motorcycles and this is by far my favorite. Torque right off idle, and the V-Boost will literally rock your eyeballs when it kicks in. Of course, I can't leave anything stock. And I do my own work.

Mods; Extended forks, modified rake, (better road manners) Progressive 440 rear shocks lowered 1 inch. Brake mods, including rotors. Lower number differential and top tranny gear swapped in for better mpg. ( 40-45 mpg). Bigger tires. Forward controls. Seat lowered 2" and recovered by me. Short sissy bar and shelf added. Custom turn signals. Home made speedo cable. Kick stand extended 2". Cut down windscreen. Modified exhaust. Switches installed and re-wiring of circuits to give me control over at what rpm the V-Boost kicks in and when the cooling fan comes on. Bars moved back 2".

This bike is now a great highway bike and cruiser. It's a 2001 and has never given me a bit of problems. Except that I used to wear out rear tires before 2000 miles, but now I know better..... :)

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/Waddie51/VMAX2.jpg

regards,
Waddie

The Bigfella
12-09-2011, 06:51 PM
The WBF winter bike challenge is on...I propose building cafe racer mopeds. (you should be able to find one under 500, fix it and sell for the amount you put in it).
Lets get inspired...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UT9FKQvdrME/Sq-geWfqTBI/AAAAAAAAFrY/DWc13zh3GOE/s400/3766304043_b939f0c8ed_o.jpg

for those near boston....http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/2742054341.html

Sir, can I humbly point out that it is now summer?

Reynard38
12-09-2011, 06:58 PM
I much prefer the Cafe Racer series. Real people building real bikes that can be ridden.

The Bigfella
12-09-2011, 07:01 PM
I much prefer the Cafe Racer series. Real people building real bikes that can be ridden.

Agreed by many here I think you will find. One downside to them is that a lot of us have turned into fat old bastards, so cafe racers have a minor disadvantage. I think I've trimmed down enough to be able to bend myself into the required shape to get on a cafe racer.... but the damn things are mostle too small and its a bit like trying to ride a single roller skate at 100mph

PeterSibley
12-09-2011, 07:06 PM
Maico 250 scooter
Honda 55 step through
125 Yamaha .YA6 ...an excellent bit of gear .
Suzuki 70 Step through.
Honda XT250
Velo Venom .
Honda XL 350
Yamaha XT 500
Suzuki 185 ag.
Enfield 500
BMW R80 ST

I forgot my B40 BSA 350 ... I wonder why ?:rolleyes: A nice engine with a horrible frame .

PeterSibley
12-09-2011, 07:08 PM
Agreed by many here I think you will find. One downside to them is that a lot of us have turned into fat old bastards, so cafe racers have a minor disadvantage. I think I've trimmed down enough to be able to bend myself into the required shape to get on a cafe racer.... but the damn things are mostle too small and its a bit like trying to ride a single roller skate at 100mph


Um ...in my case my reflexes ain't what they used to be , the bikes are WAY faster and I like living .Wrapping myself around a Ducati Monster is no problem, keeping up with it's performance is .

pipefitter
12-09-2011, 08:20 PM
You wanna "work of art"? Here's your work of art. I've owned several motorcycles and this is by far my favorite. Torque right off idle, and the V-Boost will literally rock your eyeballs when it kicks in. Of course, I can't leave anything stock. And I do my own work.

Mods; Extended forks, modified rake, (better road manners) Progressive 440 rear shocks lowered 1 inch. Brake mods, including rotors. Lower number differential and top tranny gear swapped in for better mpg. ( 40-45 mpg). Bigger tires. Forward controls. Seat lowered 2" and recovered by me. Short sissy bar and shelf added. Custom turn signals. Home made speedo cable. Kick stand extended 2". Cut down windscreen. Modified exhaust. Switches installed and re-wiring of circuits to give me control over at what rpm the V-Boost kicks in and when the cooling fan comes on. Bars moved back 2".

This bike is now a great highway bike and cruiser. It's a 2001 and has never given me a bit of problems. Except that I used to wear out rear tires before 2000 miles, but now I know better..... :)

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/Waddie51/VMAX2.jpg

regards,
Waddie

Almost bought one from a customer 4 years ago for $3800. Rode it down the street in front of our shop and decided I still wasn't mature enough to own it. The boost was like adding a whole other motor all of a sudden like and I envisioned bald tires and a whole new hobby I didn't really have time for allover again.

Still one of my favorite Japanese bikes.

RodB
12-09-2011, 08:44 PM
Paul Jr won... he has a long record of creativity and solid ideas.... all in his head with no design software. I too wouldn't like any of the three but PJ won for creativity and final aesthetics. JJ sounded like an ass from the beginning and he is an "experienced bike builder" without much creativity or visual grace in his work. . . Paul Sr is a total ass with even less talent then either of the other two. IMHO.

RodB

The Bigfella
12-10-2011, 01:31 AM
Dirt bikes are so much more fun... and as this Aussie shows, much safer...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC4f9TCg4zw&feature=player_embedded

The Bigfella
12-10-2011, 01:46 AM
I quite like this one... as an around town bike.... maybe.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_YfUc19z-5M/TsGn14aNeRI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/LuIM3977jIc/s1600/IMG_6212.jpg

PeterSibley
12-10-2011, 02:02 AM
Looks like someone was trying to build a couple of Velo mufflers but lost interest half way through .

I'm having trouble with the car tires :d

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-10-2011, 03:43 AM
...
I'm having trouble with the car tires :d

There could be a low flat sidecar on the left hand side.....

PeterSibley
12-10-2011, 03:45 AM
There could be a low flat sidecar on the left hand side.....

and it would be just about right .

purri
12-10-2011, 04:39 AM
I quite like this one... as an around town bike.... maybe.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_YfUc19z-5M/TsGn14aNeRI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/LuIM3977jIc/s1600/IMG_6212.jpg
BLURGH!. Pipes are too short to deliver best HP and torque. Rear shock are at least responsive angle for adequate damping and too short for road conditions. Tyres are crap with no transitional profile. A stylistic rat rod wank.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-10-2011, 04:51 AM
BLURGH!. Pipes are too short to deliver best HP and torque. Rear shock are at least responsive angle for adequate damping and too short for road conditions. Tyres are crap with no transitional profile. A stylistic rat rod wank.

Get real ffs.

It's a decorative piece - whoever built it had no interest in either torque or horsepower or, in other words "How many Bee Aitch Pee would you want in a thing that shape?"

Transitional profile???? - There's so much low hanging ironmongery that this is simply never going to be an issue.

Did he ride it to the event, or trailer it?

PeterSibley
12-10-2011, 05:10 AM
More my taste ...


http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399984814.jpg

Canoeyawl
12-10-2011, 11:41 AM
About those rear "shocks"...
Take a good look at them, especially the springy part.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_YfUc19z-5M/TsGn14aNeRI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/LuIM3977jIc/s1600/IMG_6212.jpg

Tylerdurden
12-10-2011, 12:07 PM
You mean the air springy part?

Canoeyawl
12-10-2011, 12:54 PM
You mean the air springy part?
No, I mean the welded springy part

The Bigfella
12-10-2011, 02:59 PM
Well spotted sir. I wasn't going to mention it because looking good comes first, being cool second and, of course, safety third.

The Bigfella
12-10-2011, 08:03 PM
.... and if you really want a Harley that's been chopped

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/bnsons/cowboy2.jpg

Tylerdurden
12-10-2011, 08:27 PM
No, I mean the welded springy part

You think the frame is firmly on the ground because it was welded that way?

The Bigfella
12-10-2011, 08:42 PM
The rear shock absorber is welded solid

PeterSibley
12-11-2011, 01:15 AM
How about a blown Cat diesel ? http://www.suckindiesel.com/thingy/viewtopic.php?f=31&p=12876#p12876
115mph at 4000rpm

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399998153.jpg


http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/399998152.jpg

The Bigfella
12-11-2011, 02:11 AM
no thanks

PeterSibley
12-11-2011, 02:31 AM
We're supposed to be frightening the children, that thing would do it .:D

The Bigfella
12-11-2011, 02:39 AM
We're supposed to be frightening the children, that thing would do it .:D

I gather the rider has a very small left foot?

purri
12-11-2011, 02:51 AM
FWIW the (significant) rotational and combined centre of mass lies well above the axle centrelines. Not a good call.

PeterSibley
12-11-2011, 03:44 AM
I gather the rider has a very small left foot?


Can't you work anything out ? He wears a roller skate on his left and an asbestos boot on the right .

The Bigfella
12-11-2011, 04:10 AM
Can't you work anything out ? He wears a roller skate on his left and an asbestos boot on the right .


I'd link a video I shot recently... except I dropped the big F word in it. A young bloke wearing roller blades, hitching a ride from a minibus. I followed him for a couple of km... at about 40 kmh. He hung on through the drivers window and rode on one blade at a time

PeterSibley
12-11-2011, 04:48 AM
I used to do that on a bike as a kid ..as did you .It gets messy when the tow vehicle suddenly accelerates and pulls you over the handlebars. Landing on your palms from 40 km hurts .... as I remember :d.

Tylerdurden
12-11-2011, 08:23 AM
The rear shock absorber is welded solid

So your saying its ridden with the frame dragging on the ground? Have any info to back that up?

CWSmith
12-11-2011, 02:30 PM
I don't ride - I prefer to keep my skin on my legs. (I'm chicken and I'm ok with that.) That said, I have never understood how the belt in the top photo in #91 can be safe. How do you avoid stepping on it and where do you put your left foot? Looks cool - makes no sense.

Garret
12-11-2011, 02:48 PM
I don't ride - I prefer to keep my skin on my legs. (I'm chicken and I'm ok with that.) That said, I have never understood how the belt in the top photo in #91 can be safe. How do you avoid stepping on it and where do you put your left foot? Looks cool - makes no sense.

There's a foot rest hanging off the exhaust pipe - kind of on a line between the 2 gauges & the sign. That being said, no, the belt is not even close to being safe!

The Bigfella
12-11-2011, 04:13 PM
Re keeping the skin on.... there's massively improved riding gear available these days - except for the Safety Third guys.

I read a report somewhere recently that your chances of being hospitalised after a crash are halved if you wear gloves and boots.... but even there, the range of protective abilities is significant. Some of my gloves are simply leather and mesh - others have carbon fibre moulded knuckle protectors. Same sort of thing with boots - the best of which have moulded protective hinges, etc.

Lots of riding gear now contains armour - some of which is soft unless impacted, when it changes properties and protects agains impact. I have some non-armoured riding pants, which are good enough to wear to a client meeting - which are kevlar lined.... and there's videos of guys being towed along behind a motorbike on their arse while wearing these.... no skin loss there.

Then there's things like knee braces. My left knee would have been toasted in early August, except I was wearing a proper knee brace. The bike and I went over backwards in some pretty extreme circumstances - off road - on a section where we only covered 7 kilometres in one 24 hour period.... I thought I'd broken my tibia - but it was the knee brace working and the lower part had bitten into my lower leg. It left a bruise larger than the palm of my hand.... but my knee was totally unaffected. Not a bad result given the nastiness of the crash.

So.... there's really no need to lose that skin any more.

CWSmith
12-12-2011, 08:23 PM
Bigfella, you're tougher than me! When I wear one of those life vests that inflate when you hit the water, I figure I'm taking all the risk I need. Good luck and safe riding.

The Bigfella
12-13-2011, 04:01 AM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ykgg7k.jpg

purri
12-13-2011, 04:49 AM
Bigfella, you're tougher than me! When I wear one of those life vests that inflate when you hit the water, I figure I'm taking all the risk I need. Good luck and safe riding.
Don't you worry about that. MW wears an ideologically sound and politically correct self inflating life vest. (if it fails he has an alternate argument)

The Bigfella
12-13-2011, 05:15 AM
Don't you worry about that. MW wears an ideologically sound and politically correct self inflating life vest. (if it fails he has an alternate argument)

Jeez darling... I'm so touched that you noticed. btw... got any leather chaps?

purri
12-13-2011, 05:19 AM
Jeez darling... I'm so touched that you noticed. btw... got any leather chaps?

No and why; are you projecting?

The Bigfella
12-13-2011, 05:28 AM
No and why; are you projecting?

Nah... I was just wondering why you were following me around so closely.