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Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 12:39 PM
And there are Treasonous Commies.

Glen Greenwald should be locked up in a CIA black site for writing this piece of anti-American tripe based on the following video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvHPkRHBvk&feature=player_embedded


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/24/bob_schieffer_ron_paul_and_journalistic_objectivit y/singleton/
(http://www.salon.com/2011/11/24/bob_schieffer_ron_paul_and_journalistic_objectivit y/singleton/)


Bob Schieffer, Ron Paul and journalistic “objectivity”

VIDEO By Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/)





(updated below)
CBS News‘s Bob Schieffer is the classic American establishment TV journalist: unfailingly deferential to the politically powerful personalities who parade before him, and religiously devoted to what he considers his own “objectivity,” which ostensibly requires that he never let his personal opinions affect or be revealed by his journalism. Watch how thoroughly and even proudly he dispenses with both of those traits when interviewing Ron Paul last Sunday on Face the Nation regarding Paul’s foreign policy views.

...

(1) The overarching rule of “journalistic objectivity” is that a journalist must never resolve any part of a dispute between the Democratic and the Republican Parties, even when one side is blatantly lying. They must instead confine themselves only to mindlessly describing what each side claims and leave it at that.

...

(2) When it comes to views not shared by the leadership of the two parties, as in the above excerpt from the Paul interview, everything changes. Views that reside outside of the dogma of the leadership of either party are inherently illegitimate. Such views are generally ignored, but in those rare instances where they find their way into the discourse — such as this Paul interview — it is the duty of “objective” reporters like Schieffer to mock, scorn and attack them.

...

(3) There is another standard media bias at play in this Schieffer interview which I’ve written about before (http://www.salon.com/2011/02/28/biases/singleton/): most establishment media figures, by definition, are hard-core nationalists who scorn any ideas that suggest their country is at fault for anything.



I threw up in my mouth a little while reading that. Gross.

skuthorp
11-25-2011, 02:32 PM
".......most establishment media figures, by definition, are hard-core nationalists who scorn any ideas that suggest their country is at fault for anything."

Not here, those with that attitude are mostly shock jocks and class themselves as 'entertainers', the conservatives are always complaining of left wing bias amongst journalists. Even amongst some Murdoch publications.

Seems a bit of a rag tag collection of policy, but I can see why they might be attractive. Some of the other GOP rabble make him look good.

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 03:14 PM
len Greenwald should be locked up in a CIA black site for writing this piece of anti-American tripe


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Doctor, why do you hate America?

RonW
11-25-2011, 03:25 PM
Keith Wilson. -
Doctor, why do you hate America?

I can answer that. He doesn't, actually he loves it, and that is why he wants reporters to report the truth to the Americans,
instead of some cockeyed B.S. liberal version of falsifying the facts or not reporting them.
When we know the facts and the truth then we can take steps to make a better america for all of us, and yes that
will include the socialists and progressives as well..

But as I was going to say before Keith jumped in, america has very poor reporters, you might want to google
operation mockingbird to understand who and why the media has turned into a bunch of commies as stated above..
Most reporters including Bill O"riley get their talking points as they are called from the C.I.A.

And as for the reporting on Ron Paul the establishment is scared to death of him. Why?
Because he will reduce this bloated goat government that so many rely on for subsidization, including the media.

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Complaining about idiotic reporters is perfectly fine; a civic duty, one could say. However, the good doctor said. "Glen Greenwald should be locked up in a CIA black site for writing this piece of anti-American tripe . . " If he's serious (and it's generally very hard to tell if "Trollingson" is being serious or not) it's most certainly against everything the country stands for.

Glen Longino
11-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Ron W and the good Doctor love America as it might be in their imaginations, of their own design and contrivance, but not as it is, and totally disrespective of the wishes of any other Americans.
Sorry, gents, it's never worked that way and it never will.
Get used to it!:)

RonW
11-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Don't worry glen, we are going to restore it, and there will be a place for even the godless
liberals/socialists/fascists/progressives. You all are invited to come home..

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 05:17 PM
I kind of like Ron Paul, possibly because I have a soft spot for sincere and mostly harmless crackpots. (If he had half a ghost of a chance of getting elected, my bemused tolerance would evaporate instantly.) Also because I think Obama has done a reasonably good job and ought to be reelected, particularly when you consider the available alternatives. I can think of few things which would ensure him a second term more effectively that Ron Paul, either as the Republican nominee or as a serious third party candidate.


liberals/socialists/fascists/progressivesThis is a strong contender for the silliest four words ever posted together in the Bilge.

Tylerdurden
11-25-2011, 05:47 PM
I kind of like Ron Paul, possibly because I have a soft spot for sincere and mostly harmless crackpots. (If he had half a ghost of a chance of getting elected, my bemused tolerance would evaporate instantly.) Also because I think Obama has done a reasonably good job and ought to be reelected, particularly when you consider the available alternatives. I can think of few things which would ensure him a second term more effectively that Ron Paul, either as the Republican nominee or as a serious third party candidate.

This is a strong contender for the silliest four words ever posted together in the Bilge.

Just had to save that one. :)

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 05:56 PM
Doctor, why do you hate America?

I love America, Keith. As a True Patriot(TM) I hate Terrorists and Terrorist sympathizers with a passion.

Terrorists attacked on 9-11, and Iran has been declared a state sponsor of terrorism. Congressman Paul was acting as a terrorism apologist in that interview, and Bob Schieffer treated him with derision, just like a True Patriot should.

Now Greenwald, he's another thing entirely; he's a writer of terrorist propaganda. By attacking a True Patriot like Schieffer, and protecting a terrorist apologist like Paul, he's put himself firmly on the side of Iran and Al Ciada. Greenwald, as a terrorist propagandist should be treated like Anwar al-Awlaki and blown up by a killer robot. Unfortunately, Greenwald doesn't hang out in the desert much, so it would be safer to just apprehend his Commie butt and throw him in a cell until this War of Terror is over.

It's for your own safety, Keith.

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 05:58 PM
Just had to save that one. Fine by me, but if you're going to do that, be honest and save the whole thing, please, including the quote from RonW I was referring to as the "four silliest words".


It's for your own safety, Keith.OK, my irony detector is not entirely reliable, but it's beeping and flashing all those red LEDs right now.

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 06:01 PM
Ron W and the good Doctor love America as it might be in their imaginations, of their own design and contrivance, but not as it is, and totally disrespective of the wishes of any other Americans.
Sorry, gents, it's never worked that way and it never will.
Get used to it!:)

I love America just like it is, Glen. We're a country that doesn't tolerate terrorists or supporters of terrorists, and that's just fine with me.

Free speech has it's limits. You can't go around saying "Iran's not that bad, we should try to be friends" just like you can't yell "fire!" in a theater. Both are equally dangerous to Real Americans.

Chip-skiff
11-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Don't worry glen, we are going to restore it, and there will be a place for even the godless
liberals/socialists/fascists/progressives. You all are invited to come home..

Crikey, Ron. Wipe the foam off your chin.

David G
11-25-2011, 07:49 PM
Ron Paul is an interesting mixture of earnestness (which occasionally expresses itself as basic common sense) and whackjobbery (which seems to be the largest proportion). I agree with Keith... as a footnote to the discussion, he's perfectly likeable. As a serious presidential candidate, he's either laughable or scary.

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 07:53 PM
Free speech has its limits. You can't go around saying "Iran's not that bad, we should try to be friends" just like you can't yell "fire!" in a theater. Dammit, you just broke my irony meter. I would be willing to bet a fair amount that this is no more your real opinion than that picture is really you,

BrianW
11-25-2011, 08:00 PM
The good doctor always posts in irony font. He knows no other. ;)

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 08:03 PM
"Commies" is particularly good, very retro - just like it was 1957 again.

PeterSibley
11-25-2011, 08:11 PM
"Commies" is particularly good, very retro - just like it was 1957 again.

It IS 1957 all over again .

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 08:28 PM
The good doctor always posts in irony font. He knows no other. ;)

This is false.

I keep a tally. For every thread in which I state my true opinion, I post one that is the opposite.

The more one either agrees or disagrees with me the probability of thinking like a monkey goes up.

Happy reading!

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 08:35 PM
".......most establishment media figures, by definition, are hard-core nationalists who scorn any ideas that suggest their country is at fault for anything."

Not here, those with that attitude are mostly shock jocks and class themselves as 'entertainers', the conservatives are always complaining of left wing bias amongst journalists. Even amongst some Murdoch publications.


I've been meaning to address this, but it took a while to sink in. Your media provides you guys and gals with outlying opinions, presumably to steer you all toward centrism. It's a brilliant propaganda strategy, although one seemingly opposite of ours. I had no idea your socialist utopia was so far gone.

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-25-2011, 08:38 PM
Doctor

Do you grade on a belle curve?

for your exams, how many blue books do you expect me to fill up?

How big can i write?


My classes are all Pass/Fail.

All lab work.

I'm kind of like Mr. Miagi though. In the course of your studies you might think you're just doing my housework, but valuable learning takes place.

My classes are highly regarded in some of Online Learning's most prestigious ranking lists.

bobbys
11-25-2011, 08:50 PM
I kind of like Ron Paul, possibly because I have a soft spot for sincere and mostly harmless crackpots. (If he had half a ghost of a chance of getting elected, my bemused tolerance would evaporate instantly.) Also because I think Obama has done a reasonably good job and ought to be reelected, particularly when you consider the available alternatives. I can think of few things which would ensure him a second term more effectively that Ron Paul, either as the Republican nominee or as a serious third party candidate.

This is a strong contender for the silliest four words ever posted together in the Bilge..

liberals/socialists/fascists/progressives ?.

I would have added commie pinko myself but that would just be to annoy glen.

Durnik
11-25-2011, 11:00 PM
smooth, D.A.T... _r e a l_ smooth.. set 'em up to see the bias..

wax on, wax off.. ;-)




liberals/socialists/fascists/progressives

This is a strong contender for the silliest four words ever posted together in the Bilge.

_Strong_ contender, indeed! The last time socialists & fascists got that close together, we had a world wide to-do! tho I like how they're being 'surrounded' by liberals & progressives.. some people can be _so_ transparent.. ;-)

by-the-by, based purely on observations, I suspect the good Dr. could be described as a social libertarian.. (_that_ ought to set RonW off! ;-))

'course, that's just my opinion.. He might be just a terrorist exposing, patriotic troll.. Ya never know.. ;-0

enjoy
bobby

Keith Wilson
11-25-2011, 11:38 PM
Based on my observations, the good doctor is a fairly clever fellow who really enjoys yanking peoples' chains. It's all but impossible to tell what he really thinks about politics.

When someone who isn't a complete mental defective can equate socialism, fascism, and liberalism, coherent political discourse is all but impossible. We desperately need some rectification of names.


A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music do not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

— Confucius, Analects, Book XIII, Chapter 3, verses 4-7, translated by James Legge

Chip-skiff
11-25-2011, 11:41 PM
Do you grade on a belle curve?

Here's a BELL CURVE:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PlITCmoCz0M/TQupeNtBxyI/AAAAAAAAAUE/Jl6szd3HqAg/s1600/bell.gif
Versus a Belle Curve:

http://www.thinkcontra.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/5-belle-curve-355x500.jpg

What do you call a pun that you don't know you're making? A malapropism?

Anyhow, funny. Thanks for the giggle.

nw_noob
11-26-2011, 12:02 AM
That was a good article Greenwald wrote. I like him, he speaks the truth. If any of you guys haven't clicked yet, it's worth the read.

It's strangely telling that a man who speaks at American Socialist conventions is defending a Libertarian/Republican, yet there are only a couple of comments here dealing with the subject matter. I guess it's easier to talk about internet monkeys and perceived partisan biases than it is to discuss the fundamental lack of truth in media. That's actually putting it mildly. There's a concerted effort to silence truth tellers and to portray the truth they speak as insanity. That's much worse, and millions of voters watch it religiously.

Durnik
11-26-2011, 12:17 AM
Based on my observations, the good doctor is a fairly clever fellow who really enjoys yanking peoples' chains. It's all but impossible to tell what he really thinks about politics.

When someone who isn't a complete mental defective can equate socialism, fascism, and liberalism, coherent political discourse is all but impossible. We desperately need some rectification of names.

I'm thinking I'm not following you here.. It was RonW who equated those words/concepts..


Don't worry glen, we are going to restore it, and there will be a place for even the godless liberals/socialists/fascists/progressives. You all are invited to come home..
and, yes, even ignoring the "isn't a complete mental defective" ref, coherent political discourse is all but impossible with him.. I didn't see the OP using/condoning the equating.. Further, I suspect the OP is more attempting to put an issue out-in-the-open.. namely, the rather biased 'reporting' done in the Ron Paul 'interview'.. AKA, media smackdown.. which is not all that different in substance to what the media did to Howard Dean. And yet, we are led to believe there is a 'liberal media bias'.. Strong support, there, for Chomsky & Company being correct concerning 'Manufacturing Consent".

Interesting, your Confucian quote.. could apply to Barack's actions in dealing with a hostile & recalcitrant Congress, eh? ;-)

and nice Belle Curve, Chip-skiff.. tho I had wondered if the choice 'belle' were intentional.. given the rest of the comment..

enjoy
bobby

Keith Wilson
11-26-2011, 12:23 AM
It was RonW who equated those words/concepts..It was indeed, and I was responding to him, although I didn't make that very clear. (I was trying to be polite.) I think the original post was pretty much a pure troll.

Durnik
11-26-2011, 12:31 AM
It was indeed, and I was responding to him, although I didn't make that very clear. (I was trying to be polite.) I think the original post was pretty much a pure troll.

Ahh..

enjoy
bobby

ChaseKenyon
11-26-2011, 01:17 AM
It IS 1957 all over again .

I disagree.

It will not be like 1957 with our (USA, OZ, GB , etc. growing economy and technology advancment (that we are still growing from) Until the Tax rates go back to Eisenhower levels on the rich.

If we reinstate Ike's top marginal tax rates the deficit dissapears and we could do what Lawrence O'Donnell

suggests and make healthcare not a USA solution but a world solution.

W actually have many proven technologies based on Tesla and others that can make virtually free energy available even to current 3rd world nations. It can be developed for distribution in months not years, well maybe 3 years tops, if we put the capital into it yes by big government treating energy for the world as an infrastructure need.

Energy, healthcare, food, and with those the time for education, all available to all and affordable by all. No need to have any wars. If we are strong enough to lead the world. We have the technology and the resources do we have the spirit to move on it?

I am not a proponent of world government, but I am overjoyed at the way the ARAB League of nations and the Nato nations and especially that the UN listened to the Arab league as to the Libya situation, and asked us, the USA, for logistic support and technology support. (see brown section below). If the UN can continue to watch out for humanitarian issues, and can come to us the USA for logisitics and technology, We can step down the active military force numbers and put the veterans to work building the technology further. Under the UN humanitarian oversite with our technology to back it up even religious wars will be unable to get a foothold for startup. As to education, it removes fear of others and misunderstanding of others. With the free (except for access which will be free with the above conditions) internet there is no reason why any and everyone who wishes to study can not earn a Phd or two.

My body has numerous scars and damages from participation in undeclared wars and unacknowledged deployment, which like in Chuck's case will probably contribute to a shorter lifespan than my family's genetic typical 89 to 100 years. ( I qualify for registration in Heinlein's "Time enough for love" novels as a longlifer several times over)So I know war and I believe we, the free world , UN and all others can end war now if we have the guts.

Fix our economy with Ike's rates and get our industrial and military production up and the wars will stop when everyone can only get the weapons of war from the US. By then we have to convert the world to a non aggression level table. Kind of like the equality of the table symbol for the MENSA society.

Big question is not if and not when but can we get off of our duffs and make the world a better place.

Are we capable of leading the world into even a guarded needing constant adjustment form of world peace?

We have the technology and ability but do we have the drive?

and yes I still land on top of the Dali LLama in political quizes.

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-26-2011, 11:20 AM
I am currently attending the School of Hard Knocks, will all my Credits Transfer?

When it comes to non-accredited universities like the SoHK credits are evaluated on a case by case basis. PM me your transcripts, credit card number, mothers maiden name, two forms of ID along with your SSN and I'll pass it on to the admissions department and put in a good word.

Gerarddm
11-26-2011, 11:26 AM
I have decided that Trollingson is actually a nome de plume for Stephen Colbert. Only then can I grok his posts.

David G
11-26-2011, 11:36 AM
I have decided that Trollingson is actually a nome de plume for Stephen Colbert. Only then can I grok his posts.

See, C-man... I knew they'd suss it out. It took a bit longer than I predicted, but these folks are pretty sharp. Well... most of them.

Of course... being the obstreperous bunch that they are... many will not accept the truth even when it's as obvious as this, and presented on a silver platter. They'll argue this till it dies an inconclusive death. So... I'd say it's still safe to use this same nom de keyboard here for continued show research. Worthwhile, in my estimation. Some of the results have been both pithy and hilarious.

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
11-26-2011, 12:08 PM
It IS 1957 all over again .


I disagree.


As it relates to media, specifically political commentary, Peter is correct. It is 1957. Words like Socialism and Communism are commonly used to create a climate of distrust, just like they were in the McCarthy era.

Of course that's not to say this is a bad thing. Quite the contrary. If True Patriots are going to save America they're going to need to keep reminding voters that Commies are trying to take over. It's the only way.

Glen Longino
11-26-2011, 01:02 PM
When it comes to non-accredited universities like the SoHK credits are evaluated on a case by case basis. PM me your transcripts, credit card number, mothers maiden name, two forms of ID along with your SSN and I'll pass it on to the admissions department and put in a good word.

Aha, the good Doctor teaches at the University of Nigeria!:D

Durnik
11-26-2011, 01:33 PM
I have decided that Trollingson is actually a nome de plume for Stephen Colbert. Only then can I grok his posts.

Got ya.. I was thinking more along the lines of Jesus' General (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/).. ;-)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mh1TZAM-AWU/Sw9rPXQVIII/AAAAAAAACpE/n-m2HzZgb30/s400/repjesusblackfriday.png

but then, I spend a bit more time on the i-net then watching the T.V. I killed 30 years ago..

enjoy
bobby

pefjr
11-26-2011, 02:34 PM
Good ambidextrous troll Doc. First you drift through leave a trail of chum, to get the righties excited then quickly switch to the real smelly bait to get the lefties to rise, then you have them both swimming around in circles and all you have to do pull the net around. A full sweep. Excellent to Outstanding.