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Tylerdurden
11-25-2011, 10:59 AM
More devastating Climategate e-mails were released today. We’ve covered juicy ones in the posts listed below. More on the way. Read ‘em all. They validate EVERYTHING the skeptics have been saying. Viva les sceptiques!



Alarmist introspection admits dishonesty on hockey stick (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-alarmist-introspection-admits-dishonesty-on-hockey-stick/)
Jones laments blogsites as allowing deniers to find one another (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-jones-laments-blogsites-as-allowing-deniers-to-find-one-another/)
Systematic deletion of e-mails (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-systematic-deletion-of-e-mails/)
How Phil Jones misleads journalists (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-how-phil-jones-misleads-journalists/)
Santer angry over not being able to silence skeptics (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-santer-angry-over-not-being-able-to-silence-skeptics/)
Mann says true temp anomaly not known well (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-mann-says-true-temp-anomaly-not-known-well/)
Silence of the alarmists (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-silence-of-the-alarmists/)
Wigley accuses ‘Mike’, other IPCC-ers of deception, dishonesty (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-wigley-accuses-mike-other-ipcc-ers-of-deception-dishonesty/)
Spun science isn’t going to end well (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-spun-science-isnt-going-to-end-well/)
Department of Energy involved in hiding temperature data? (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-department-of-energy-involved-in-hiding-temperature-data/)
Jones advises e-mail deletion to avoid FOIA (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-jones-advises-e-mail-deletion-to-avoid-foia/)
Mann says Curry not helping ‘the cause’ (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-mann-says-curry-not-helping-the-cause/)
‘All models wrong’ (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-all-models-wrong/)
IPCC models not worth a darn (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-ipcc-models-not-worth-a-darn/)
Hulme hired to be the hand of God (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-hulme-hired-to-be-the-hand-of-god/)
Praying for the ‘Day After Tomorrow’ to work (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-praying-for-the-day-after-tomorrow-to-work/)
Catholicism an ‘extreme’ religion? (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-catholicism-an-extreme-religion/)
Mann a dead-ender (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-mann-a-dead-ender/)
Mann paper slammed by colleague as ‘pathetic’ (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-mann-paper-slammed-by-colleague-as-pathetic/)
‘Hockey stick’ debunking confirmed (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-hockey-stick-debunking-confirmed/)
Hide the dissent (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-hide-the-dissent/)
Feelings more important than truth (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-feelings-more-important-than-truth/)
Kjellén has a better name for global warming (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-kjellen-has-a-better-name-for-global-warming/)
Jones bans dissent on extreme weather (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-jones-bans-dissent-on-extreme-weather/)
Medieval Warm Period tough to erase (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-medieval-warm-period-tough-to-erase/)
Mann said skeptics ‘losing’ (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0-mann-said-skeptics-losing/)
Climategate 2.0? (http://junkscience.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0/)


http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/climategate-20-read-20-juicy-emails.html

Gerarddm
11-25-2011, 11:34 AM
Nope. Since 'Climategate' was debunked, attempting to revive it is an excercise in navel gazing.

I feel like paraphrasing Galileo, murmuring: ...and still the glaciers melt.

Dutch
11-25-2011, 11:49 AM
I saw that a couple days ago tyleer- I meant to get it up here but forgot- thanks!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100119087/uh-oh-global-warming-loons-here-comes-climategate-ii/

RonW
11-25-2011, 12:07 PM
Just more proof that climate warming caused by man is a hoax and scam to impose carbon tax, and build a tax system around cap and trade of carbon gases (smoke). total scam to cheat you out of your money by false scare tactics..

LeeG
11-25-2011, 12:18 PM
I found the incriminating e-mail!!!

Dec 31 23:49 1999
From: Phil Jones
Subject: One world government
To: IPCC-group
Comrades,

Soon our once-great nation will rise from the ashes of the greatest war the world has ever known. Russia has changed. But our lives will not be wasted. The master plan is proceeding apace. Adolf Hitler once said “The great masses will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.” Indeed, the best kept secrets are the ones that everyone knows. Double agent Anthony Watts has a remarkable summary of the global warming charade. Stupidly is his sword and Folly his shield. By placing the truth where everyone can see it — nobody can! Today we have recruited over 2,000 scientists to The Team. To you I say we have only completed a beginning. There remains much that is undone. There are great tricks undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth’s protective layers. Onward.

Phil.

beernd
11-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Nope. Since 'Climategate' was debunked, attempting to revive it is an excercise in navel gazing.

I feel like paraphrasing Galileo, murmuring: ...and still the glaciers melt.

Yeah and what happened to the onkoming brand new ice age that was predicted by all the scientists in the 1970's

RonW
11-25-2011, 12:54 PM
beernd -
Yeah and what happened to the onkoming brand new ice age that was predicted by all the scientists in the 1970's

Well I can tell you what happened to that one, the politicians couldn't figure out how to make money off of it..

ChaseKenyon
11-25-2011, 04:31 PM
very interesting set of links TD

I wish all the blind followers of AGW is proven would stop believing as told to and do some actual research of their own.
I am not a denier so to speak but

I was skeptical of the "coming ice age " movement when it went from a number of studies directly to political and skipped good further research and documentation.

I am still skeptical of the AGW crowd as they went political first and then started to do some research and no further research unless it was funded to prove the/a forgone result that could be called AGW even if it was about frogs dying from low water in the Colorado River watershed.

They never considered the increase of draw down on water reserves by the Urban LA basin. Nope LA H2O consumption went up 30% but the drying out of frog habitat had nothing to do with that. It was caused by AGW..

Orange
11-25-2011, 04:31 PM
Despite its many flaws, and frauds, believe the green movement is important. It would be good for the world if they were more thoughtful on how they approached problem solving though. The recent delaying and probably putting off building the oil pipeline from Canada to the US is one example that is probably not going to work out well for them or working Americans. From Walter Russell Mead:

China Open to Canadian Oil
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/11/25/china-open-to-canadian-oil/


This is what bad energy policy looks like: as the US dithers over Canadian tar sands oil, China is ready to buy (http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-harpers-bet-may-pay-off-china-open-045143490.html). Access to reliable oil from a friendly neighboring country like Canada is one of America’s greatest geopolitical blessings. Throwing this away would be the height of folly; those seem to be heights we are eager to scale.
Perhaps America’s profoundly dysfunctional and confused green movement will come to its senses as the reality that the US cannot stop Canadian tar sands development sinks in. The question is not whether this oil will be produced; the question is whether the US will get direct benefits from it like geopolitical security and refining jobs. It is not only in America’s interest to have this oil ourselves; it is in our interest for China to have to scramble for oil in sketchy, unstable places while US crude comes from safe and convenient ones.
The greens, like the clueless disarmament and peace advocates in the 1920s and 1930s who unwittingly made it possible for Hitler and Stalin to murder tens of millions of people, are making the 21st century a more dangerous place. Those who care about world peace and the prosperity of the American middle class need to take a stand.
Occupy Malibu, anyone?

wardd
11-25-2011, 04:54 PM
Yeah and what happened to the onkoming brand new ice age that was predicted by all the scientists in the 1970's

care to post the evidence that an ice age was seriously predicted

LeeG
11-25-2011, 05:22 PM
Despite its many flaws, and frauds, believe the green movement is important. It would be good for the world if they were more thoughtful on how they approached problem solving though. The recent delaying and probably putting off building the oil pipeline from Canada to the US is one example that is probably not going to work out well for them or working Americans. From Walter Russell Mead:

China Open to Canadian Oil
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/11/25/china-open-to-canadian-oil/

Orange, how do you feel about the US selling coal to China? The delay in the Keystone pipeline will delay some income for the industries involved but it won't address our vulnerability to volatile and escalating oil prices. The pipeline could be built yesterday and if Iran is struck or another conflict affects Saudi Arabia's production the price of oil will go up. When it goes up as fast and far as it has in the last five years the ENTIRE US economy suffers to a much larger degree than is helped by the pipeline. The Koch brothers will do well either way, the "working Americans" outside of that particular industry won't. It's more important we focus on increasing efficiency in use than supply because we can't afford it with our present level of consumption.

Tylerdurden
11-26-2011, 05:28 AM
I have no problem with real science uncorrupted by politics or agenda but have a very jaundiced eye to science politicized and with an agenda the common man bears the brunt of while fat cats like Gore become billionaires from it. Is it possible man has caused some global warming? I would say yes but our space weather plays a huge role that cannot be discounted.
If this was the life ending problem they play it out to be then the approach would not be the one taken. Most alternative energy ideas are scams like wind power when currently we have 14k abandoned wind plants in the US alone.
If you want to end man made warming you need a Manhattan project in the direction of Thorium, H3 or Cold/hot fusion along with mass investment in a superconducting grid and a move from stick built homes to ones that can survive in a radical weather environment. All those technologies should be open source to everyone. If it is that important than profit is not important.
Instead we have countless wars spraying depleted uranium around the planet and nuclear reactors going China syndrome at the least provocation. Joe Q, public has to worry about heating their home and paying huge utility bills while the 1% flys private jets.
What we have is a control and taxation plan with no consideration for people past human resources. It's bull crap and one can be considerate of environmental concerns and not buy into this dog and pony show.

LeeG
11-26-2011, 02:21 PM
Most alternative energy ideas are scams like wind power when currently we have 14k abandoned wind plants in the US alone.
.

it would be interesting to see where you got the 14k number and how many of them are smaller less efficient models that are no longer worth the upkeep. There are millions of abandoned vehicles but the technology of ICE continues to meet peoples needs.

Waddie
11-26-2011, 09:35 PM
care to post the evidence that an ice age was seriously predicted

Wardd, you and I and everyone older than 60 can well remember how widespread the Ice Age theory was back then. Don't be disingenuous .

regards,
Waddie

Gerarddm
11-27-2011, 12:07 AM
Those quotes remind me of the supposed statement by the head of the US Patent Office around 1900 or so who said that everything worthwhile had already been invented.

People tend to make statements based on the knowledge available at the time. Malthus couldn't conceive of the Green Revolution in the 1960s and 70s, for example.

Several of the event or consequences predicted in the quotes above have started to come to pass, just not to the extent or as quickly as predicted.

I find it hard to understand the ethos of those who are rabid in their opposition to climate change; I would ask them, for example, do you believe a petroleum-polluted world preferable to one that is not? It sounds like you do.

Waddie
11-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Gerarddm;
I find it hard to understand the ethos of those who are rabid in their opposition to climate change; I would ask them, for example, do you believe a petroleum-polluted world preferable to one that is not? It sounds like you do.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't doubt that the climate is changing. It always has, and I would be skeptical of someone who said it wasn't. However, I'm still not convinced that human beings are having that much affect on the change, or that we have the ability, both technical and cultural, to do much about it. We have nothing ready to go RIGHT NOW that could offset oil. Even if we reduce our use, the rest of the world will burn all the oil they can get their hands on to reach that lifestyle. And even with renewables, our oil demand is going up.

Billions around the world want our lifestyle. The Age of Oil has made such a large worldwide population possible (7 BILLION). The US gains about 3% in population each year - you do that math and we double fairly rapidly. If we are witnessing human driven climate change, we are already past any tipping point. Human population levels and increases in consumption as populations improve their economic positions will far outpace any renewables development.

China brings online one new coal fired power plant every week, and has plans for 20 nuclear plants. That's the future.

regards,
Waddie