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John Smith
11-21-2011, 07:33 AM
We seem to view each issue as though it is in its own bubble, separate from other things.

We have a conservative group who is passing, or trying to pass, laws that prohibit any connection of federal funds to abortions. Defunding Planned Parenthood is on their agenda. Cutting school budgets and laying off teachers is one of their goals.

We limit a woman's access to birth control. We limit her access to abortion. We begrudge her help in raising the child. We create public schools with fewer teachers, but we are creating more kids that will be going to those schools.

Does this make any sense?

Then I look at the massive amounts of money voluntarily spent on political campaigns and think about finding a different way to fund campaigns - taking all this money out of them - would "free up" that money which might be invested in other areas that would actually help the country.

Seems that buying politicians is an investment for those who do so. If that investment wasn't there, perhaps they'd invest in places with lower returns that actually help the country.

My point here is that things are connected to other things.

Paul Pless
11-21-2011, 07:36 AM
My point here is that things are connected to other things.Uhh. . . . . .okay.

Ian McColgin
11-21-2011, 07:38 AM
The anti-abortionists are not trying to simply uncouple direct funding. They want to destroy any abortion provider by cutting funding to any entity that provides funding from other sourse for abortions. That have also admitted the longer run strategy of ending funding, direct or indirect or simply fantasized, for birth control.

isla
11-21-2011, 08:01 AM
We seem to view each issue as though it is in its own bubble, separate from other things.

We have a conservative group who is passing, or trying to pass, laws that prohibit any connection of federal funds to abortions. Defunding Planned Parenthood is on their agenda. Cutting school budgets and laying off teachers is one of their goals.

We limit a woman's access to birth control. We limit her access to abortion. We begrudge her help in raising the child. We create public schools with fewer teachers, but we are creating more kids that will be going to those schools.

Does this make any sense?

Then I look at the massive amounts of money voluntarily spent on political campaigns and think about finding a different way to fund campaigns - taking all this money out of them - would "free up" that money which might be invested in other areas that would actually help the country.

Seems that buying politicians is an investment for those who do so. If that investment wasn't there, perhaps they'd invest in places with lower returns that actually help the country.

My point here is that things are connected to other things.

The conservatives are pursuing a dream where America returns to the way it was in the 1950s. The man goes to work, and pays the bills, while the wife stays home and cooks, and looks after the kids. The nuclear family is the norm, sex outside of marriage is taboo, and homosexuals do not exist (at least, nobody ever talked about them). Thousand of entertainers, educators and union activists are accused of being communists, and undergo aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. But worse still, there is no internet, and if you order X-Ray specs from the adverts in a DC comic they take six weeks to arrive, and it turns out that you can't see through a girl's clothing with them after all.

John Smith
11-21-2011, 08:06 AM
The conservatives are pursuing a dream where America returns to the way it was in the 1950s. The man goes to work, and pays the bills, while the wife stays home and cooks, and looks after the kids. The nuclear family is the norm, sex outside of marriage is taboo, and homosexuals do not exist (at least, nobody ever talked about them). Thousand of entertainers, educators and union activists are accused of being communists, and undergo aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. But worse still, there is no internet, and if you order X-Ray specs from the adverts in a DC comic they take six weeks to arrive, and it turns out that you can't see through a girl's clothing with them after all.

They are also dooming these kids they are forcing into being to schools that are severely underfunded and understaffed.

isla
11-21-2011, 08:28 AM
They are also dooming these kids they are forcing into being to schools that are severely underfunded and understaffed.

Good point +1

RonW
11-21-2011, 08:37 AM
Hey John come in from far left field to reality. This is nothing but a rant on abortion, and the cost of campaigning for political office, then you threw this in --
They are also dooming these kids they are forcing into being to schools that are severely underfunded and understaffed.

And yet you live in New Jersey where the cost per year per kid is the highest in the nation at $17,000. (per kid)
So what is your answer throw more money at it, typical liberal response.

Cuyahoga Chuck
11-21-2011, 09:17 AM
Hey John come in from far left field to reality. This is nothing but a rant on abortion, and the cost of campaigning for political office, then you threw this in --

And yet you live in New Jersey where the cost per year per kid is the highest in the nation at $17,000. (per kid)
So what is your answer throw more money at it, typical liberal response.

Look, bunkie, comparisons of costs across state lines are not reasonable. Your cousins over in Kentuck live in a lot lower cost society and a lot poorer economy than folks who live in New Jersey.

John Smith
11-21-2011, 09:21 AM
Hey John come in from far left field to reality. This is nothing but a rant on abortion, and the cost of campaigning for political office, then you threw this in --

And yet you live in New Jersey where the cost per year per kid is the highest in the nation at $17,000. (per kid)
So what is your answer throw more money at it, typical liberal response.

What part of my post was not true?

RonW
11-21-2011, 09:46 AM
John Smith -
What part of my post was not true?

You whole post is lopsided. You rant about not enough abortions, fine that is your opinion.
Then you say we are creating more kids to go to these underfunded schools, so I take it you
want to force or encourage or increase government funding for more abortions. What eugenics programs
do you belong to? And just how much do you think it should cost per year per kid to give them a education?
Any dollar figure on that one, or is it just more? How about trying to properly manage the funds available.

And your dot connection is what ? The cost of the political process as you see is a waste of money.
So instead of having all this T.V. time and advertisement as to political positions, we should what?
Have a government website that you can go to and read the candidates prepared statements, no
hard questions to be answered in public. And take all that money and put it into schools and more abortions.
Totally left field liberal progressive thinking that I disagree with. Politicians need to be confronted in a open public forum
all around the country. And just because you believe in abortions don't mean that everyone shares your belief.
So don't force those that don't believe in abortions to pay tax for something that they religiously oppose.
And don't let politicians create laws that deprive you of your rights, and so be it if that is abortions.
A whole lot of reality need to come to the costs of schooling children..

mikefrommontana
11-21-2011, 10:44 AM
If you have enough/better birth control and education, you'll cut the need for abortions, so it would seem that the moral imperative (if you are against abortion) is to either push more birth control--or outlaw sex.

Don't think John suggested that unspent campaign money needs to go to the government; conservatives could donate it to their favorite charity. If we, as a nation, are willing to spend billions (5.3 billion combined in 2008 according to George Will http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/campaign-08-most-expensive-ever/ ) think of what that money could do elsewhere in the economy. Well, one could hope it would go elsewhere.