View Full Version : So I get bumped down the line of succession again?!?

10-28-2011, 07:37 AM
Darn. :p


Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-28-2011, 07:47 AM
Sorry about that, old chap. One must move with the times, and all that.

Thinking about it...

Aetheflaed - outstanding, but of course "only" Queen of Mercia. Good war leader, all the same.

Matilda - might have been OK except that she was fighting Stephen all the time, so Not Good

Mary Tudor - Definitely Not Good

Elizabeth 1 - Great.

Mary - fine but shared the throne with her husband so does not count

Anne - fine

Victoria - excellent

Elizabeth II - outstanding.

So, on the whole, women do better at the job than men.

And since the King of Spain seems to have stopped trying to invade is we can stop worrying about people marrying Catholics..

The Bigfella
10-28-2011, 07:52 AM
Yep. You are now 6,500,000,001st in line

S.V. Airlie
10-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Andrew I think William shared the throne with Mary.LOL. She was by heredity, inline with the Stuarts. Of course, he outlived her. I guess this can be debated. Otherwise, I agree with your list. Bloody Mary didn't live long enough for me to have an opinion. What she did in her life time, though short as it was, makes me agree about her as well.About Victoria, she had a good number of excellent Prime Ministers. Victoria was wrapped up over the death of her husband, I sometimes think that it was her Prime Ministers that really carried the weight.

ps.. I always love it when a newly elected president always ends up, through genealogical work that they were related to royals. Of course, the relationship might be dating back to the 15th century, but I get a kick out of it.

pps. I don't recall William the 2nd having th designation of "King" Queen Mary, yes.

Peerie Maa
10-28-2011, 07:56 AM
Darn. :p


How many older sisters have you got?

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-28-2011, 08:05 AM
Jamie, so far as I can see all US Presidents have to be of Irish extraction and descended from the British royal family, it seems to be a requirement for the post!

10-28-2011, 08:09 AM
How many older sisters have you got?

Just one, but her wrist isn't up to the 'acknowledging the hoi polloi' requirements, so she's out of the running.

As an aside, I am really, truly somewhere in a line of succession. My great aunt was Sybil Hathaway, Dame of Sark, one of the Channel Islands which retains a hereditary monarchy. http://www.sark.info/

I've given up crossing my fingers about rising to ownership, but I very much hope to get there someday. It looks wonderful: "Dark Skies", sheep racing....

Paul Pless
10-28-2011, 08:11 AM
Yep. You are now 6,500,000,001st in lineBut now he can marry a Catholic without penalty. . .

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-28-2011, 08:15 AM
Mary II was rather directly descended from the Stuarts, in fact she was one, as was her younger sister Queen Anne, as their father was James II.

Which raises an interesing point - if Mary and Anne had been able to suceed to the throne ahead of their kid brother (assuming for the sake of argument that he was legitimate and not smuggled in in a warming pan!) then the Glorious Revolution would not have taken place, since it was the birth of the boy that triggered it. Which would have meant, perhaps, no Bill of Rights...no wars with Louis XIV, no Marlborough, no Act of Settlement, etc...

S.V. Airlie
10-28-2011, 08:23 AM
I think I said that about Mary and Anne ACB which is why I posted what I did. And yes, the birth of a son to James the second was the death nell (Catholic line) as the son would have been Catholic. Bonny Prince Charlie and the Pretender. Was William 3rd ever actually called king? I don't recall.

For your interest ACB. Interesting to see how many were related to Edward Longshanks, Edward the second and Edward the third.

George Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
Thomas Jefferson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
James Madison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
James Monroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Monroe)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
John Quincy Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Quincy_Adams)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
William Henry Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison)*and his grandson,*Benjamin Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison)*(descendants of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
Zachary Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Taylor)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
Franklin Pierce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Pierce)*(descendant of*Henry I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_England))
Rutherford Hayes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Hayes)*(descendant of*William I of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_Scotland)*and*William the Conqueror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror))
Grover Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
Theodore Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt)*(descendant of*James I of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Scotland)*and*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
William Taft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Taft)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
Warren Harding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Harding)*(descendant of*Henry II of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_England))
Calvin Coolidge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
Herbert Hoover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
Franklin Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt)*(descendant of*James II of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_II_of_Scotland))
Harry S. Truman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman)*(descendant of*Robert III of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_III_of_Scotland))
Richard Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon)*(descendant of*Henry II of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_England))
Gerald Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England))
Jimmy Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter)*(descendant of*Edward III of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England))
George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush)*and his son,*George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush)*(descendants of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England)*and*Robert II of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_II_of_Scotland))
Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)*(descendant of*Edward I of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England)*and*William the Lion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Lion)*of*Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland))
As a result, all of the listed people are direct descendants of*Alfred the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_the_Great)*and*William the Conqueror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror).
HM Queen*Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II)*is among the closest living relatives of George Washington, through their descent from*Augustine Warner, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_Warner,_Jr.),*Speaker of the Virginia House of Burgesses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speakers_of_the_Virginia_House_of_Burgesse s). His daughter*Mildred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mildred_Gale)*was the grandmother of Washington, while his daughter Mary is an ancestor of the Queen's mother,*Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_Un ited_States#cite_note-0)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genealogical_relationships_of_Pres idents_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=17)]Presidents related to Irish royalty

George Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington)*(descendant of*Dermot MacMurrough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_MacMurrough))
Andrew Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson)*(descendant of*Dermot MacMurrough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_MacMurrough))
Ronald Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan)*(descendant of*Brian Boru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boru))
Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)*(descendant of*Brian Boru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boru))
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genealogical_relationships_of_Pres idents_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=18)]Presidents related to other royalty

Theodore Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt)*and*Franklin Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt)*are related to the*Rajahs of Sarawak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rajahs)
There may be a reason to use the Edwards as a starting point, but wow, 1300 to recent times involved a lot of generations.LOL