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Meli
09-30-2011, 01:11 AM
Hmm? I was shelving in the Art/Photograghy section at the library today.
Opened "My Friend Dorothy" out of curiosity and naivity :eek: ROFL

Pretty explicit gay photo's
This stuff is all shelved for general public access, It's not pornography (allthough some will argue that)

This got me thinking that maybe kids really dont bother about this stuff anymore and they self restrict because it's not forbidden.

Example. My son (14) and I were looking for a cable the other day amongst the junk in the spare room. Rooting through a box of random stuff, he came across one of the Ex's stick books (mildish)
He just laughed and said. "eek, WARNING WARNING Will Robinson ...inappropriate material warning.."

And chucked it aside.:D

johnw
09-30-2011, 01:23 AM
I, too, suffered from a lack of access to sexually explicit material when I was 14. Fortunately, I was a Boy Scout, and on our paper drives we got some very interesting magazines.

Meli
09-30-2011, 01:25 AM
.:D

Soundbounder
09-30-2011, 02:08 AM
he came across one of the Ex's stick books (mildish)

??????

I don't know what that means

PeterSibley
09-30-2011, 02:22 AM
I was thinking similarly the other day in the video store . There was a huge amount of horror and violence in the offerings ,guarded of course by stickers that said young people had to leave the room when their big brother put on some chopper movie but very very little low level sexual stuff . Strange what our societies find acceptable .

Massacres OK , sex bad .

Meli
09-30-2011, 02:33 AM
??????

I don't know what that means

Stick book/mag?
think about it :D or praps not :D

ChaseKenyon
09-30-2011, 02:42 AM
I was thinking similarly the other day in the video store . There was a huge amount of horror and violence in the offerings ,guarded of course by stickers that said young people had to leave the room when their big brother put on some chopper movie but very very little low level sexual stuff . Strange what our societies find acceptable .

Massacres OK , sex bad .

+42

At our house when the kids were growing up it was by our choice the opposite choices in our own 14 X21 ft floor to ceiling library full of classics to the KS. If they were old enough to understand it fine if not they'd comeback in a few years and understand a bit more. Same way when answering questions. Sex and babies a trip to one of our many horse farms and one of the Buffalo farms during mating season pretty much covered that well enough for elementary school ages.


And so on and so on. Sam was probably the only 7th grader with his own high end powerful 80C535 based micro-controller state of the art distributed robotics controls boards with A/Dand everything else and all the servos and sensors he could use. Made him learn machine code on a Z80 mock up on Radio Shack white boards in 6th grade and in 7th he had to do assembly till I gave him a straight (not +) "C" cross compiler.

Having been on the killing fields so to speak, and as one of the fifth generation to do so in service to this country, As my father before me I feel the censoring of gentle sex or even a baby nursing at a nice looking breast is much to be preferred to glorifying senseless violence and killing.

Unlike the video and game boy and computer games glorifying killing and maiming In real life dead is dead and is permanent. Seems many or at least a sizable number of the younger generation think, emotionally at least that you can hit restart for a new game session and go on .

Sorry for the rant but it is an issue that I feel very strongly about. It seems to me we as a society are doiing our PG and PG 17 and such ratings backwards. Sex is taboo but killing is ok.

Chase

Meli
09-30-2011, 02:43 AM
I was thinking similarly the other day in the video store . There was a huge amount of horror and violence in the offerings ,guarded of course by stickers that said young people had to leave the room when their big brother put on some chopper movie but very very little low level sexual stuff . Strange what our societies find acceptable .

Massacres OK , sex bad .

Video stores have to worry about customer complaints. Public libraries just handle them.
Young children should not be wandering around the library unsupervised.
It's strange the material that some people find offensive, yet are totally comfortable with and even encourage kids viewing some violent images that I would hate my kids to see (when they were under, say, 12 ) in the name of education. Like war images or pictures of belsen etc.
I suppose we all have different buttons.

WX
09-30-2011, 02:48 AM
:
Hmm? I was shelving in the Art/Photograghy section at the library today.
Opened "My Friend Dorothy" out of curiosity and naivity :eek: ROFL

Pretty explicit gay photo's
This stuff is all shelved for general public access, It's not pornography (allthough some will argue that)

This got me thinking that maybe kids really dont bother about this stuff anymore and they self restrict because it's not forbidden.

Example. My son (14) and I were looking for a cable the other day amongst the junk in the spare room. Rooting through a box of random stuff, he came across one of the Ex's stick books (mildish)
He just laughed and said. "eek, WARNING WARNING Will Robinson ...inappropriate material warning.."

And chucked it aside.:D
Have a look in the box in a couple of days and see if it's still there?:D
Unless you have pretty good filter software on your computer then your children can view anything...and I mean anything!

Soundbounder
09-30-2011, 02:54 AM
Stick book/mag?
think about it :D or praps not :DGood ol' Urban Dictionary to the rescue.

I've never heard that term before. I learn new things on here everyday :d

When I first Googled 'stick mag', this is what popped up

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1AVSX_enUS410US410&q=stick+mag&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=17300138021279282048&sa=X&ei=GXiFTt6GOY2cgQeLv-QF&ved=0CCQQ8wIwAQ

a (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1AVSX_enUS410US410&q=stick+mag&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=17300138021279282048&sa=X&ei=GXiFTt6GOY2cgQeLv-QF&ved=0CCQQ8wIwAQ)nd I thought to myself...."wow, your ex is really bad-ass, she's like a female version of Ted Nugent"

PeterSibley
09-30-2011, 02:55 AM
Video stores have to worry about customer complaints. Public libraries just handle them.
Young children should not be wandering around the library unsupervised.
It's strange the material that some people find offensive, yet are totally comfortable with and even encourage kids viewing some violent images that I would hate my kids to see (when they were under, say, 12 ) in the name of education. Like war images or pictures of belsen etc.
I suppose we all have different buttons.


I think the most traumatic images I EVER viewed were those of Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen .Nothing of sexual or any other content ever could compare to the sheer horror. It didn't help that I was studying German at school .

I would have found ANY sexual content amusing after that .

Meli
09-30-2011, 02:56 AM
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The kids have moderate safe search on but it's up to them what they look at, after all they are 18 and 14.
I just asked them what they do if they accidentally come across porn images.
Lauren (18)says she just ignores it or discretely places another window over the offending image if she's trying to read something else on the page.:D
The boy says he looks if he wants to or gives it the flick if it's something he doesn't want to think about.
i think I can safely leave em to it:).

(having said that.... if I have to have yet another discussion with him about NOT being allowed to buy "Fallout, 1,2,3 or Vague As.... :mad: :D

WX
09-30-2011, 03:01 AM
You can always check the history if you feel the need but of course they probably know how to clear that. Anyway at those ages I think you are on the right track.

Meli
09-30-2011, 03:22 AM
+42

At our house when the kids were growing up it was by our choice the opposite choices in our own 14 X21 ft floor to ceiling library full of classics to the KS. If they were old enough to understand it fine if not they'd comeback in a few years and understand a bit more. Same way when answering questions. Sex and babies a trip to one of our many horse farms and one of the Buffalo farms during mating season pretty much covered that well enough for elementary school ages.


And so on and so on. Sam was probably the only 7th grader with his own high end powerful 80C535 based micro-controller state of the art distributed robotics controls boards with A/Dand everything else and all the servos and sensors he could use. Made him learn machine code on a Z80 mock up on Radio Shack white boards in 6th grade and in 7th he had to do assembly till I gave him a straight (not +) "C" cross compiler.

Having been on the killing fields so to speak, and as one of the fifth generation to do so in service to this country, As my father before me I feel the censoring of gentle sex or even a baby nursing at a nice looking breast is much to be preferred to glorifying senseless violence and killing.

Unlike the video and game boy and computer games glorifying killing and maiming In real life dead is dead and is permanent. Seems many or at least a sizable number of the younger generation think, emotionally at least that you can hit restart for a new game session and go on .

Sorry for the rant but it is an issue that I feel very strongly about. It seems to me we as a society are doiing our PG and PG 17 and such ratings backwards. Sex is taboo but killing is ok.

Chase

I had polite "words" with the manager of our local game shop when the boy came home with M15+ games.
He said the staff were supposed to ask for ID and refuse sale to obvious under 15s and he had a word with them.

We have a bit of a problem here because the fundy's lobby pressured the Gov't not to allow games with a 18 rating into the country. Games that are classified 18 overseas have been "modified" to slip under the M15+ rating. Very dumb.

Now. I ask their serious gamer how he would rate a game on violence from 1-10, anything over 8 is OUT. Boys... blah. :D

skuthorp
09-30-2011, 04:55 AM
I self censor violent TV myself, I got heartily sick of the killing mostly young women as entertainment. But if one was a conspiracy nut one might say that, militarily speaking, normalising violence and sanitising killing might be a useful thing for the state. That is if on was a conspiracy nut. As far as explicit sexual matters are concerned, the concept of original sin and Victorian sensibilities had a deal to do with it in the first place, but it has moved on since then and the really obscene material being produced for a depraved marketplace on the net should really be the object of intense investigation and draconian penalty. Of course it's hard to draw a line, one man's poison etc, and then there's the money involved which can buy a lot of immunity and when they do make a bust in say child porn, there is often as not members of the police and judiciary, politicians and ordinary punters involved.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
09-30-2011, 05:14 AM
I censored the television completely by removing it and throwing it away.

What I actually objected to was the soap operas, with their gross and degraded portrayals of social conduct. This to me was pornography of the worst type because it portrayed vile behaviour - violence, dishonesty and violent sexual behaviour - as normal everyday conduct.

The boys have their own computer which has an AOL parental control on it for Charles, aged 9; Alex aged 16 can do as he pleases (I am very sure that he could get round a filter in two ticks). I don't "friend" on his facebook page, either.

I do try to limit time spent on games.

I suspect that porno mags are "sooo twentieth century"...

Meli
09-30-2011, 06:17 AM
Ah well. My daughter says they see so much sex and nudity everywhere from semi pornographic DKNY billboards to stuff on TV, that their generation more or less tunes it out. (interesting theory re Sexting there)
One can only hope the violent images on games ect fall into the same basket.

As my kids get older, I'm becoming convinced that they are wired completely differently to us and past generations.
Their values are different. Their goals are different. Their relationships are different.
This is not necessarily a bad thing

ishmael
09-30-2011, 07:02 AM
A difficult question. It has become so pervasive, one wonders what the long term effects might be.

As Andrew says, anything that plays on our baser motives for the purpose of making money--be it greed or sex or violence--is pornography, and the ethos around it has changed.

Forty years ago, at fifteen, getting our hands on a Playboy was a big deal. At the time the magazine was much less explicite, not much different than going to the art museum and looking at Greek statuary. Pretty harmless.

Nowadays things have become much more violent and explicite. I agree with those who say the violence is a larger worry than the sex. Pleasure watching people kill each other and blow things up, often without service to a plot, is more than a bit odd.

Mrleft8
09-30-2011, 07:15 AM
I've always felt that sex was more acceptable than violence.... I mean, who wouldn't rather get... Er... Satisfied, that beat up? :D

PeterSibley
09-30-2011, 07:19 AM
Precisely .Count the murders on prime time TV some week versus the sex .

B_B
09-30-2011, 10:10 AM
...a (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1AVSX_enUS410US410&q=stick+mag&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=17300138021279282048&sa=X&ei=GXiFTt6GOY2cgQeLv-QF&ved=0CCQQ8wIwAQ)nd I thought to myself...."wow, your ex is really bad-ass, she's like a female version of Ted Nugent"FWIW Meli is a girl and her ex is a boy....but I like your version better :D