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Nicholas Carey
09-07-2011, 02:39 AM
Stupid. Another casualty of the insane health care system that the US has.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/insurance-24-year-dies-toothache/story?id=14438171

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110901/NEWS01/109020346/Bootsy-Collins-nephew-dies-after-tooth-infection
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110902/NEWS01/109030339/Death-after-tooth-infection-raises-questions-about-care-options

From ABC News:

Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds
By CARRIE GANN, ABC News Medical Unit
Sept. 2, 2011

A 24-year-old Cincinnati father died from a tooth infection this week because he couldn't afford his medication, offering a sobering reminder of the importance of oral health and the number of people without access to dental or health care.

According to NBC affiliate WLWT, Kyle Willis' wisdom tooth started hurting two weeks ago. When dentists told him it needed to be pulled, he decided to forgo the procedure, because he was unemployed and had no health insurance.

When his face started swelling and his head began to ache, Willis went to the emergency room, where he received prescriptions for antibiotics and pain medications. Willis couldn't afford both, so he chose the pain medications.

The tooth infection spread, causing his brain to swell. He died Tuesday.

Calls to Willis' family were not immediately returned. University Hospital in Cincinnati, where Willis was admitted, did not comment, citing federal privacy laws.

"People don't realize that dental disease can cause serious illness," said Dr. Irvin Silverstein, a dentist at the University of California at San Diego. "The problems are not just cosmetic. Many people die from dental disease."

Willis' story is not unique. In 2007, 12-year-old Deamonte Driver also died when a tooth infection spread to his brain. The Maryland boy underwent two operations and six weeks of hospital care, totaling $250,000. Doctors said a routine $80 tooth extraction could have saved his life. His family was uninsured and had recently lost its Medicaid benefits, keeping Deamonte from having dental surgery.

"When people are unemployed or don't have insurance, where do they go? What do they do?" Silverstein said. "People end up dying, and these are the most treatable, preventable diseases in the world."

Getting access to dental care is particularly tough for low-income adults and children, and it's getting tougher as the economy worsens. In April, the Kaiser Family Foundation reported that 33 percent of people surveyed skipped dental care or dental checkups because they couldn't afford them. A 2003 report by the U.S. Surgeon General found that 108 million Americans had no dental insurance, nearly 2.5 times the number who had no health insurance.

Trips to the dentist aren't the only expenses hard-up Americans are skipping. An August report by the Commonwealth Fund found that 72 percent of people who lost their health insurance when they lost their jobs said they skipped needed health care or did not fill prescriptions because of cost.

"People want to believe there's a safety net that catches all of these people, and there isn't," said Dr. Glenn Stream, president-elect of the American Academy of Family Physicians. He noted that it is often young men who are the most likely to lack health coverage.

Dr. Jim Jirjis, director of general internal medicine at Vanderbilt University, said people, like Willis, without access to care often die of conditions that were much more common decades ago.

"He [Willis] might as well have been living in 1927," Jirjis said. "All of the advances we've made in medicine today and are proud of, for people who don't have coverage, you might as well never have developed those."

There are a number of free dental clinics in operation around the country, where dentists volunteer to provide care to those without health insurance. But even if Willis had access to a free dental clinic, Stream said he still may not have been able to get the care he needed for his infection. "The wait is often months at these clinics, and this young man died within two weeks of his problem," Stream said.

Silverstein operates three free dental clinics in the San Diego area. "We're overwhelmed right now," he said. "We can't take any new patients.

WX
09-07-2011, 02:55 AM
That one has already been discussed...in depth.

Actually despite the embargo I believe Cuba has a very good health care system. They are also very big food growing allotments in built up areas.

BrianW
09-07-2011, 06:17 AM
Done already. Mixed reviews and opinions.

Nothing wrong with our dental care, you just have to pay for it.

Nicholas Scheuer
09-07-2011, 06:51 AM
Say, Brian, why don't you come back a cvouple of years after you loose your job and tell us how great USA Dental Care is.

Moby Nick

Mrleft8
09-07-2011, 07:40 AM
USA dental care is very good. if you can afford it.
I take very good care of my teeth, but they're still deteriorating with age, and wear and tear. I have lots of work that now needs to be done. I'm doing a little here, and a little there as I can afford it, but it's probably not going to be enough in the long run.

BrianW
09-07-2011, 07:59 AM
Say, Brian, why don't you come back a cvouple of years after you loose your job and tell us how great USA Dental Care is.

Moby Nick

So the problem is losing jobs, not if we have the best health care.

Which brings us to question... how is Obama doing with the job thing? He's half-assed the healthcare bill, and totally screwed the job creation segment. You want to yell at me? Where was ObamaCare for this guy?

skipper68
09-07-2011, 10:06 AM
I too went through the same situation. I now have a heart murmur, from the anti biotic I kept getting, from not having $500.00 on hand for one tooth. I finally found a clinic. I lost a great looking tooth, as it died. I want to make people aware of "Donated Dental" a group that connects people with dentists for free care. There is a waiting list, and you must qualify, but it's out there at least.

perldog007
09-07-2011, 10:18 AM
I would like to see a better health care system, not sure that the "affordable" health care act is the best way there but it will hasten the inevitable demise of what we have, IMO.

If we already pay the most, why do we need to pay more? Why can't we just spend better? Maybe someday we will get there. I would like to see single payer not because I think it's a right, but because I think it's the right thing to do.

Nobody owes me squat. In Nature you have the 'right' to make an attempt. That's it. All other 'rights' are human creations. Right to health care? Why do I have a right to your money ?

The flip side is that I'm willing to give up some of my work product so that everyone can have care, just wish we were being smarter about it. We already pay for it.....

john l
09-07-2011, 10:29 AM
i don't think you can say obama half assed the health care thing. even if he did, it was only half. guess where the other half is? it's the red half!

john l
09-07-2011, 10:30 AM
that's the sore half too!

leikec
09-07-2011, 10:34 AM
I would like to see a better health care system, not sure that the "affordable" health care act is the best way there but it will hasten the inevitable demise of what we have, IMO.

If we already pay the most, why do we need to pay more? Why can't we just spend better? Maybe someday we will get there. I would like to see single payer not because I think it's a right, but because I think it's the right thing to do.

Nobody owes me squat. In Nature you have the 'right' to make an attempt. That's it. All other 'rights' are human creations. Right to health care? Why do I have a right to your money ?

The flip side is that I'm willing to give up some of my work product so that everyone can have care, just wish we were being smarter about it. We already pay for it.....


I also think that single-payer is the way to go--and at the end of the day we might discover that we've been looking at the problem from the wrong direction. It seems that everyone is arguing about whether health care is a "right", but what about the question Pearl alluded to...what is the benefit of allowing people to go without health care--when sooner or later we will bearing the cost of treatment anyway?

We spend a hell of a lot of money on health care in this country, and it is obvious that we don't get the bang for our buck that we should--relative to other countries. Why can't the focus be on that?

Jeff C

Kevin T
09-07-2011, 10:42 AM
We spend a hell of a lot of money on health care in this country, and it is obvious that we don't get the bang for our buck that we should--relative to other countries. Why can't the focus be on that?

Jeff C

An excellent question Jeff and one I have asked here also, and when I pointed out that more then a few studies put American health outcomes somewhere around 37th on list of nations I was told by a certain segment of the forum that I was an idiot, that I was naive, and that I was being a jerk and didn't understand that the US has the absolute best health care system in the world. In fact many will go on to say that our health care is so great that large numbers of people regularly leave their single payer systems to seek care here in the states.

Surprisingly, when forumites with single payer systems are asked if they would switch their system for ours, there are never any volunteers, strange, no?

Mrleft8
09-07-2011, 10:44 AM
Obama didn't "half ass" the healthcare bill. Congress held his head in the proverbial toilet until they got what they wanted from him. More money for insurance companies. Same as they have done ever since the guy took office, with everything he's tried to do. People like Can't-or (won't), DeMent, Santorum, etc. don't give a damn about the public. They care about their wallets, and their friends' wallets.

perldog007
09-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Obama didn't "half ass" the healthcare bill. Congress held his head in the proverbial toilet until they got what they wanted from him. More money for insurance companies. Same as they have done ever since the guy took office, with everything he's tried to do. People like Can't-or (won't), DeMent, Santorum, etc. don't give a damn about the public. They care about their wallets, and their friends' wallets.

I seem to remember some opposition to Universal Single Payer from my own party as well (D), am I mistaken?

Mrleft8
09-07-2011, 11:01 AM
I seem to remember some opposition to Universal Single Payer from my own party as well (D), am I mistaken?Nope. You are correct. Chief among them was the weasel faced slime ball from the great state of Aetna....Er Connecticut, Joe Lieberman.

Tall Boy
09-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Oh boy, reruns..............

Garret
09-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Nope. You are correct. Chief among them was the weasel faced slime ball from the great state of Aetna....Er Connecticut, Joe Lieberman.

Isn't he officially an Independent sleazeball now? Oops "slimeball" sorry!

Orange
09-07-2011, 12:47 PM
Already discussed, but some further information about the poor guy that passed away from a tooth infection.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/05/another-obamacare-fable-no-lack-of-insurance-didnt-kill-jobless-dad-with-tooth-infection/


Willis suffered a needless death.
But “lack of insurance” and ruthless “health care cost controls” didn’t kill him.
By all accounts, Willis made an unwise, short-sighted choice — pain meds over antibiotics. He had prescriptions for both. While media reports quote Willis’s family saying the pain meds cost $3 and the antibiotics cost $27, a quick phone call to Cincinnati-area Wal-Mart and Walgreen’s pharmacies shows that Willis could have had access to the following without health insurance:
Cincinnati Wal-Mart pharmacy – 513 351 9818 – 28 500 mg capsules of Amoxicillin. Price: $4.
Wal-Mart offers nearly a dozen similar antibiotics as part of its $4 prescription generic drug program. (http://www.walmart.com/cp/PI-4-Prescriptions/1078664)
Cincinnati Walgreen’s – 513 929 4316 – 28 500 mg capsules of Amoxicillin. Price: $13.36
Giant Eagle (http://www.gianteagle.com/pharmacy/free-antibiotics) in Ohio also has a subsidized antibiotics program.

Soundbounder
09-07-2011, 01:31 PM
Already discussed, but some further information about the poor guy that passed away from a tooth infection.That's not "further information"!
That's Michelle Malkin using 20/20 hindsight to rant and blame the victim.