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ishmael
08-27-2011, 08:52 AM
There are a lot of good ones, I think of "All Quiet on the Western Front" I think of "Full Metal Jacket" but a really good one you might have overlooked is "Starship Troopers". Based on a Robert Heinlein novel, it takes the common themes of honor, love for your comrades, duty, into interesting realms. The enemy in this case isn't human.

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 08:56 AM
"Starship Troopers"Sucked!

S.V. Airlie
08-27-2011, 08:59 AM
"Saving Private Ryan" was decent.

Duncan Gibbs
08-27-2011, 09:03 AM
Thin Red Line by a country mile or hundred. Left me in stunned silence quietly weeping at the end of it.

ishmael
08-27-2011, 09:08 AM
Watch it again, Paul. You might be surprised. It isn't a realistic portrayal of warfare, it's intended as a fantasy, yet as in real warfare a bunch of people get killed, people other people care about.

Driver Mark
08-27-2011, 09:09 AM
Battlefield Earth :d

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 09:09 AM
In no particular order.

Patton
Saving Private Ryan
Das Boot
Platoon
Black Hawk Down
All Quiet on the Western Front
The Great Escape
The Dirty Dozen
Schindler's List
The Deer Hunter
A Bridge Too Far
Bridge over the River Kwai
Glory
Full Metal Jacket
Apocalypse Now
Battle of Britain



Just watched Dirty Dozen last night. My guilty pleasure war movie is Kelly's Heroes. Not a movie but a series that is my all time favorite in the 'war film' genre is Band of Brothers.

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 09:14 AM
Watch it again, Paul. You might be surprised. It isn't a realistic portrayal of warfare, it's intended as a fantasy, yet as in real warfare a bunch of people get killed, people other people care about.I regard the novel too highly to rate the movie anywhere above 'sucks'. . .

ishmael
08-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I only caught a few "Band of Brothers" but it's up there.

ccmanuals
08-27-2011, 09:20 AM
Definitely Band of Brothers.

Gerarddm
08-27-2011, 09:43 AM
Das Boot
first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan
Glory

S.V. Airlie
08-27-2011, 09:45 AM
Gloryis agood one. I think it says a good deal about black/white relationships and always needs to be said/shown. It may be fiction but there is enough truth in it to make it plausible.

Syed
08-27-2011, 09:49 AM
Can't say the best but a good one;
Von Ryan's Express

TANSTAF1
08-27-2011, 09:59 AM
They ruined one of my favorite books as a kid: Starship Troopers. I waited a long time for them to make it into a movie and it absolutely svcked.

Looking quickly one thaat I think has been missed it

We Were Soldiers Once (and Young)

brad9798
08-27-2011, 10:02 AM
A Midnight Clear ... if you haven't seen, look it up and watch it.

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 10:12 AM
We Were Soldiers Excellent movie!

Waddie
08-27-2011, 10:41 AM
The Winter War. I've seen just about every war movie ever made, and this one deserves a spot at or near the top. Another real good one is Cross of Iron.
I also liked the black and white Stalingrad.

regards,
Waddie

Mrleft8
08-27-2011, 10:44 AM
Watched Das Boot with a Submariner... Freaked the hell out of him. It was good. Slaughterhouse5 was great. The Naked and The Dead is right up there.... Chaka Zulu was excellent... Lord Jim is very good....

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 10:47 AM
Chaka Zulu was excellent... You mean this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Zulu_film_poster.jpg

Its a most excellent movie!

Waddie
08-27-2011, 11:06 AM
Bridge over the River Kwai'

Paul, I saw this movie on your list. The WWll survivors of that bridge building despise the movie. They have been trying to set the record straight since the movie came out. They say that their colonel never cooperated in any way, nor did their engineers or enlisted men. They say the whole premise of the movie is a lie. Did you know the actual bridge was steel, not wood ?

regards,
Waddie

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 11:09 AM
'

Paul, I saw this movie on your list. The WWll survivors of that bridge building despise the movie. They have been trying to set the record straight since the movie came out. They say that their colonel never cooperated in any way, nor did their engineers or enlisted men. They say the whole premise of the movie is a lie. Did you know the actual bridge was steel, not wood ?

regards,
Waddie

Yeah I knew some of that. It remains a good movie. . .

There's been several threads on it here delving into various controversies surrounding it.

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 11:31 AM
Let me guess, English Literature Major, right? :D

Nicholas Scheuer
08-27-2011, 11:32 AM
The one with Robert Mitchum in a Destroyer, and Curt Jergens in a U-baoat. It was either Run Silent, Run Deep, or The Eemy Below.

I liked Twelve O'Clock High a lot, too; Gregory Peck in B-17's.

Moby Nick

Uncle Duke
08-27-2011, 11:35 AM
You mean this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Zulu_film_poster.jpg

Its a most excellent movie!

Excellent? You sell it short, sir - it is brilliant!

ccmanuals
08-27-2011, 11:48 AM
a bit more contemporary I thought Generation Kill was actually pretty good. very realistic.

Paul Pless
08-27-2011, 11:49 AM
The Hurt Locker

cprinos
08-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Tora!, Tora!, Tora!.

Love Full Metal Jacket as well, though it's second part suffers in comparison to it's first (boot camp).

ramillett
08-27-2011, 09:21 PM
Lawrence of Arabia
Patton
Bridge on the River Kwai

brad9798
08-27-2011, 09:37 PM
AGAIN- If you have not seen A MIDNIGHT CLEAR ... just get over it and rent/buy/download it ... you WILL be glad you did ...

seanz
08-27-2011, 09:44 PM
The Two Towers

Return of the King.

nehalem
08-27-2011, 10:02 PM
Go Tell the Spartans, Burt Lancaster Vietnam 1964

Cuyahoga Chuck
08-27-2011, 10:53 PM
In no particular order.

Patton
Saving Private Ryan
Das Boot
Platoon
Black Hawk Down
All Quiet on the Western Front
The Great Escape
The Dirty Dozen
Schindler's List
The Deer Hunter
A Bridge Too Far
Bridge over the River Kwai
Glory
Full Metal Jacket
Apocalypse Now
Battle of Britain



Just watched Dirty Dozen last night. My guilty pleasure war movie is Kelly's Heroes. Not a movie but a series that is my all time favorite in the 'war film' genre is Band of Brothers.

Patton-Well done
Saving Private Ryan-Plenty of good action but has some weak sections
Das Boot-Definitely first class.
Platoon-As much as I dislike Oliver Stone this flick is well done
Black Hawk Down-Didn't see it.
All Quiet on the Western Front-Two versions. The 1931 flick has some dynamite sections. The fighting scenes were filmed at Fort Bliss.
The Great Escape-Not much war fighting. More properly a caper flick based on real escapes.
The Dirty Dozen_?
Schindler's List-Based on a WWII occuance and very good but human drama rather than a warflick.
The Deer Hunter- Guys with New Yawk accents trying to play guys from a Pennsylvania coal town. Doesn't work for me.
A Bridge Too Far-A good narrative of what really happened.
Bridge over the River Kwai- Very well done.
Glory-Just saw it again. Dynamite.
Full Metal Jacket-The first part doesn't mesh with the second. Something got unhinged in the making.The only part that made sense was Vince Donofrio blasting that DI. He deserved it.
Apocalypse Now-Watched it numerous time and still don't understand it. Some scenes don't make sense.Way too much time wading thru' murky photography.
Battle of Britain-Haven't seen it.
I would add:
"Porkchop Hill" with Gregory Peck.
"Paths of Glory" by Kubrick.
Gettysburg-Not a great production but a good historical accounting of what happened.
The Victors-The vagueries of real war.
Sahara- The perfect propoganda film in many ways. Good cast too.
Lawrence of Arabia-Can't leave this out. A whole lot of bloodletting.
Zulu-Can't get more up close and personal than the fight at Roark's Drift. Well done.

stevebla
08-28-2011, 12:16 AM
The Siege of Firebase Gloria

ishmael
08-28-2011, 12:33 AM
Thanks. I've seen most of them at least once, but a good list all.

Gettysburg suffers from bad dialogue, probably because of too literal translation. What works in a historical novel often doesn't on film, even if it's what people actually said. Pretty accurate in the latter regard.

When I lived in Baltimore I'd visit Gettysburg once or twice a year. A sobering place. Walking the ground you see what a futile thing Pickett's Charge was. General Longstreet, Lee's right arm, argued intently against it, or so most of the histories report. Lee rather famously retorted, "General, the enemy is there, and I'm going to attack him." That didn't work out well, and the land still says it all. You walk that hill and imagine a large cadre of men, well armed and well dug in at the top of it, and you wonder what Lee was thinking.

That was essentially the end of that war. The Army of Northern Virginia was decimated, and while it continued to fight bravely for another two years, it was never again a force of contention.

Sorry, this was a thread about war films, not wars.

AussieBarney
08-28-2011, 12:40 AM
Anybody who can read Heinlein after they turn 22 needs their head read. The man is a certified raving rightwing Neo-con lunatic

SchoonerRat
08-28-2011, 02:14 AM
Catch 22

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-28-2011, 03:25 AM
Das Boot

The Cruel Sea (the other side of the story, so to speak)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/CorvetteCoreopsis.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cruel_Sea_(film)

Memphis Belle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Belle_(film)


Henry V, Kenneth Branagh's version

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V_(1989_film)

PeterSibley
08-28-2011, 03:57 AM
Catch 22

Letters from Iwo Jima .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_from_Iwo_Jima#Plot

goodbasil
08-28-2011, 04:02 AM
Cromwell (1970) English Civil War, 1600's

Also, 1967's, Beach Red

WX
08-28-2011, 06:13 AM
Stalingrad, the German movie.
Dark Blue World, Czech fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain.
Kill Generation, is very good. Has a great Johnny Cash track at the end.
Breaker Morant
Kokoda, small budget but good.
Downfall, superb
Enemy at the Gates

TANSTAF1
08-28-2011, 06:29 AM
I don't know what Robert Hinlein's intent was, but that movie was either a condemnation of fascism, or a tribute to it. I'd like to think it was the former.



I have every one of Heinlein's writings from Life Line to Grumblings from the Grave. He is a libertarian conservative. I can assure you he is anti-fascist, anti-national socialist, anti-progressive, anti-liberal or whatever you are calling yourself these days.

TANSTAF1
08-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Gettysburg suffers from bad dialogue, probably because of too literal translation. What works in a historical novel often doesn't on film, even if it's what people actually said. Pretty accurate in the latter regard.

. . .



Sorry, Have to disagree. There may have been too much dialogue, but it was not "bad" dialogue.

Maybe you like it shorter such as Chamberlain's command to the 20th Maine: "Bayonets!" ? What bad about that?

WX
08-28-2011, 06:43 AM
Sorry, Have to disagree. There may have been too much dialogue, but it was not "bad" dialogue.

Maybe you like it shorter such as Chamberlain's command to the 20th Maine: "Bayonets!" ? What bad about that?
Chamberlain was pretty good.

WX
08-28-2011, 06:44 AM
A Book I would like to see as a movie Is Somme Mud.

TANSTAF1
08-28-2011, 06:45 AM
Anybody who can read Heinlein after they turn 22 needs their head read. The man is a certified raving rightwing Neo-con lunatic

Rightwing perhaps, but more libertarian than conservative. A Neo-con??? This shows you either do not understand him or "neo-con." Many Lefties are so blinded by their meaness, and hatred that their imaginations become reality for them.

TANSTAF1
08-28-2011, 06:49 AM
I just became aware of "Sharpe's rifles" and have ordered a couple of the books. Has anyone seen the series? Is it any good?

PeterSibley
08-28-2011, 06:53 AM
I just became aware of "Sharpe's rifles" and have ordered a couple of the books. Has anyone seen the series? Is it any good?

Medium ,the books are better .Better still are the books set in the Viking invasions .http://www.bernardcornwell.net/index2.cfm?page=1&seriesid=10

PeterSibley
08-28-2011, 06:54 AM
Rightwing perhaps, but more libertarian than conservative. A Neo-con??? This shows you either do not understand him or "neo-con." Many Lefties are so blinded by their meaness, and hatred that their imaginations become reality for them.

Now ,now , play nicely .This lefty just offered you a link and recommendation regarding books you might enjoy.Not mean at all .

Paul Pless
08-28-2011, 07:06 AM
Lawrence of Arabia-Can't leve this out. A whole lot of bloodletting.Can't believe I forgot it!

Its my favorite movie of all time, any genre.

ccmanuals
08-28-2011, 07:32 AM
No one has mentioned Gods and Generals. surprising.

TANSTAF1
08-28-2011, 03:15 PM
Chamberlain was pretty good.

I am glad the Lefties at Bowdoin finally allowed his medal of honor to be displayed.

But don't forget John Buford.

Anyway another one that no one has mentioned is

Doctor Zhivago

WX
08-28-2011, 04:22 PM
A very Long Engagement, though a war movie as such has some very good First World War scenes in it...and it's a great movie. Insert "not" after though...editing is playing up again.

Larks
08-28-2011, 06:09 PM
A compilation of two movies, best watched one after the other:
"Flags of our Fathers" and
"Letters from Iwo Jima"

Tinman
08-28-2011, 07:18 PM
Cruel Sea. Without a doubt, this is likely one of the best Naval war flicks ever made. Everything was authentic right down to piping hands to stations. Even the way it ended was perfect. I need to add my own favorites to the list as well.

Battle of Britain. Best air war flick ever made.
The Devils Brigade. It was a loose translation of what happened, and they never did capture a town with naked Germans in the shower. It was entertaining, but it sold one of the finest fighting units ever assembled short. By a lot.

Sink the Bismark. Another great flick.
The Key. a drama set during world war two. Great movie.
Hunt for Red October. Not really a war flick, but it was almost perfect. {ok, the chrome plated periscope was a bit much ]
Band of Brothers. nuff said.
Longest day.

Duncan Gibbs
08-28-2011, 07:20 PM
Doctor Strangelove... The war movie to end all war movies.

On The Beach... Ava Gardner said that Melbourne was a great place to film the end of the World.

Underground... Gotta love that brass gypsy band!

WX
08-28-2011, 07:24 PM
Two German ones.
The Bridge, about a group of Hitler Youth ordered to defend a bridge.
I don't know the name of this one but it was about bomb disposal after the war. The blokes in it start up a fund and whoever is still alive at the end gets to have it.

Tinman
08-28-2011, 07:26 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/icons/icon1.png Re: Best war movies
I just became aware of "Sharpe's rifles" and have ordered a couple of the books. Has anyone seen the series? Is it any good?


If you like a smart, hard fighting Sgts that rises through the ranks overcoming all odds in an era where that just wasn't done you will. The BBC series with Sean Bean is excellent too. When you are done that, try Horatio Hornblower, and then Master and Commander. That is one of Russell Crowe's best movies and absolutely should be on the 'best movie" list as well.

WX
08-28-2011, 07:32 PM
I have my own copy of Master&Commander.:)
The Hornblower series was quite good, I prefer the books though.
The Light Horsemen, about the charge of the Australian lighthorse at Bersheeba...the Israelis now call it Bersheeva.

Cuyahoga Chuck
08-28-2011, 07:47 PM
Rightwing perhaps, but more libertarian than conservative. A Neo-con??? This shows you either do not understand him or "neo-con." Many Lefties are so blinded by their meaness, and hatred that their imaginations become reality for them.

The gentleman you are verbally manhandling is an AUSTRALIAN. His knowledge of the minutia of American politics is limited so why be be so hamhanded in your reply? You get a kick out of playing the ugly American?

Chip-skiff
08-28-2011, 10:56 PM
What's a neo-con? A Republican recently convicted of a crime?

Back to the war films:

Lawrence of Arabia.

Das Boot.

The English Patient.

Gallipoli.

TANSTAF1
08-29-2011, 07:32 AM
What's a neo-con?

A neo-Con is a liberal who has decided he knows what's best not for other Americans, but rather for people in other countries. It is consistent with liberal views of knowing better than we do what's best for us.

Anyway, back to movies and one I am listing just to PO the lefties:

Red Dawn

WX
08-29-2011, 08:15 AM
A neo-Con is a liberal who has decided he knows what's best not for other Americans, but rather for people in other countries. It is consistent with liberal views of knowing better than we do what's best for us.

Anyway, back to movies and one I am listing just to PO the lefties:

Red Dawn
An attempt to make Yanks even more afraid of the Russians.
Charlie's War was good with good acting and story line.
I've mentioned it before but I'll mention it again.
Kill Generation

John Meachen
08-29-2011, 03:33 PM
"Oh What a Lovely War","MASH" and "Adolph Hitler,my part in his downfall" deserve to be included as they remind us of the banal aspects of war and use humour and satire to do so.

Nicholas Carey
08-29-2011, 05:22 PM
No particular order:



Breaker Morant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant_(film))
Gallipoli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_(1981_film))
MASH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MASH_(film))
Letters From Iwo Jima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_from_Iwo_Jima)/Flags of Our Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_Our_Fathers_(film))
Grave of the Fireflies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies)
The Big Red One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Red_One) (highly underrated, IMHO).
Ken Branagh's Henri V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V_(1989_film)). +1, ACB.
Kelly's Heros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly%27s_Heroes)
A Midnight Clear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midnight_Clear)
Seven Samurai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Samurai)
Dogfight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight_(film))
Racing with the Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_with_the_Moon)

Flying Orca
08-29-2011, 05:26 PM
"Oh What a Lovely War","MASH" and "Adolph Hitler,my part in his downfall" deserve to be included as they remind us of the banal aspects of war and use humour and satire to do so.

Was there a movie of "Adolph Hitler: My Part In His Downfall"? I'd love to see that. Spike's war memoirs are the best, hands down, I've ever read.

PeterSibley
08-29-2011, 06:15 PM
A neo-Con is a liberal who has decided he knows what's best not for other Americans, but rather for people in other countries. It is consistent with liberal views of knowing better than we do what's best for us.

Anyway, back to movies and one I am listing just to PO the lefties:

Red Dawn

The politics of paranoia .

seanz
08-29-2011, 06:17 PM
A neo-Con is a liberal who has decided he knows what's best not for other Americans, but rather for people in other countries. It is consistent with liberal views of knowing better than we do what's best for us.

Anyway, back to movies and one I am listing just to PO the lefties:

Red Dawn

And movie lovers everywhere...........:)

WX
08-29-2011, 06:23 PM
Captain Corelli's Mandolin
September 1943 -- the Italian Acqui Division had refused to surrender and fought the Germans for nine days before running out of ammunition. Some 1,500 Italian soldiers died in the fighting, 5,000 were massacred after surrendering and the rest shipped to Germany -- although 3,000 drowned when the ship carrying them hit a mine.

Nicholas Carey
08-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Captain Corelli's MandolinI was going to list that one, too. Great movie. Even if you don't like it, Penelope Cruz is very easy on the eyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Corelli's_Mandolin

skipper68
08-30-2011, 09:17 AM
No "Hamburger Hill"? How about "Gone with the wind?" And EVERYTHING with John Wayne ;)

Concordia 33
08-30-2011, 09:31 AM
A lot of good movies:

I'll add "We Were Soldiers" and "Midway"

ccmanuals
08-30-2011, 09:43 AM
Not really great acting or script but a pretty cool premise. A modern aircraft carrier goes back in time just before Pearl Harbor.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M6WVDJMHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

John of Phoenix
08-30-2011, 01:00 PM
(http://forum.woodenboat.com/member.php?7644-Cuyahoga-Chuck)Cuyahoga Chuck:

Platoon-As much as I dislike Oliver Stone this flick is well done
Really? I saw it with a bunch of Huey pilots and, while none had been grunts, we thought it was pretty contrived. Grunts spent lots of time in miserable conditions on patrols but contact was the exception rather than the norm. Those guys were walking into ambushes every other day and seemed to be in constant contact. My experience was that we seldom shot for the same ground unit twice in six months.

The blue on blue murder, where one sergeant shot the other in the middle of a desperate firefight, was just ridiculous.

Nicholas Carey
08-30-2011, 01:51 PM
No "Hamburger Hill"? How about "Gone with the wind?" And EVERYTHING with John Wayne ;)John Wayne's war movies aren't very good and jingoistic at best.

peb
08-30-2011, 02:50 PM
Well, The Cain Mutiny should be way up there at the top. Saving Private Ryan was a great war movie, should be mandatory viewing for every high school graduate.

peb
08-30-2011, 02:55 PM
I don't know what Robert Hinlein's intent was, but that movie was either a condemnation of fascism, or a tribute to it. I'd like to think it was the former.

.

Horrible movie, book wasn't too bad (and I rarely read sci-fi). The one thing about the book the movie got right was exactly what you said: either a condemnation of a tribute to fascim. From the book's perspective, pretty impressive. If fascism and communism didn't have an element of attractiveness to people, they never would have been in power. Do you think you are somehow immune to those same reactions?

Nicholas Carey
08-30-2011, 04:08 PM
The dirty dozen premise is stupid. There never has been a mission that countless grunts wouldn't volunteer for. And the notion that murderers and rapists could become a disciplined unit is laughable. Also hate the mash, Kelleys heroes crap. War is not funny in the least. Cop that Steve McQueen attitude with some Nazi and you'd find yourself in a mass grave. AQWF and Hamburger Hill are real enough.I believe that the point being made by MASH, Kelly's Heroes, Catch-22, Three Kings, etc., isn't that war is funny: it's that war is insane. They're subversive, anti-war films. If you watched MASH and didn't pick up on that, you weren't paying attention...or you might want to revisit your freshman year English Lit class.

Ted Hoppe
08-30-2011, 04:11 PM
In no particular order.PattonSaving Private RyanDas BootPlatoonBlack Hawk DownAll Quiet on the Western FrontThe Great EscapeThe Dirty DozenSchindler's ListThe Deer HunterA Bridge Too FarBridge over the River KwaiGloryFull Metal JacketApocalypse NowBattle of BritainJust watched Dirty Dozen last night. My guilty pleasure war movie is Kelly's Heroes. Not a movie but a series that is my all time favorite in the 'war film' genre is Band of Brothers.

You might want to include...
Guadalcanal Diary
The Longest Day
Squadron 633 (The story which Star Wars lifted the plot)
The Sand Pebbles - boat related too!

How about the opening scene of Gladiator
Romans fighting the Germanic hordes in the northern forests!

You need to consider Kurosawa's Ran too. Beautifully shot and full of texture.

Kevin T
08-30-2011, 04:25 PM
Not really a war movie, more like a "Soldier of Fortune" war movie, but a young Christopher Walken in "The Dogs of War" had some great moments. CW conveyed a lot of crazy eyed menace.
"Breaker Morant" as a good example of what can happen when wars go sideways,
and "Band of Brothers" was excellent with well fleshed out characters and lead me to believe that "The Pacific" from the same producers would be equally good and yet it just seemed to flail about and was actually quite disappointing by comparison.

WX
08-30-2011, 04:35 PM
Not really a war movie, more like a "Soldier of Fortune" war movie, but a young Christopher Walken in "The Dogs of War" had some great moments. CW conveyed a lot of crazy eyed menace.
"Breaker Morant" as a good example of what can happen when wars go sideways,
and "Band of Brothers" was excellent with well fleshed out characters and lead me to believe that "The Pacific" from the same producers would be equally good and yet it just seemed to flail about and was actually quite disappointing by comparison.
The book on Easy company is a very good read. They got the cream at the end of the war with the occupation of Berteschgaden...at least before the headquarters staff turned up.:)

John Meachen
08-30-2011, 05:24 PM
Was there a movie of "Adolph Hitler: My Part In His Downfall"? I'd love to see that. Spike's war memoirs are the best, hands down, I've ever read.
There certainly was such a film.Jim Dale starred as Spike and Spike played his father.You could buy a DVD at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adolf-Hitler-Part-His-Downfall/dp/B00029RDVI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1314743637&sr=8-2 .

AndyG
08-31-2011, 02:22 PM
I'd certainly agree with Branagh's Henry V. The Cruel Sea, original All Quiet on the Western Front and Paths of Glory. Downfall and Das Boot were both stunning films.

But I have a certain fondness (which I rarely admit to) for the pure cheese which is Where Eagles Dare. Y:o

What I would love to see is a CGI-rich Jutland film. It could be utterly astonishing.

Andy

Kevin T
08-31-2011, 03:42 PM
The book on Easy company is a very good read. They got the cream at the end of the war with the occupation of Berteschgaden...at least before the headquarters staff turned up.:)

Are you referring to the book by Malarkey or one of the two by Steven Ambrose, "Citizen Soldiers" or "D-Day," because I've read the latter two and have the former on my "to read" list.

I read the D Day book one year on a three and a half week self drive trip essentially starting at Colleville sur Mer (Omaha Beach) and loosely following the battle path across France, through the Ardennes, Bastogne and into Germany, eery, while at the same time it made the words on the pages read at night come alive having just walked some of the same ground earlier that day.

PeterSibley
08-31-2011, 04:44 PM
No "Hamburger Hill"? How about "Gone with the wind?" And EVERYTHING with John Wayne ;)

Everything with Wayne was propaganda and rubbish .

S.V. Airlie
08-31-2011, 04:47 PM
The four Feathers.

Paul Pless
08-31-2011, 04:55 PM
Everything with Wayne was propaganda and rubbish .You would count these three John Wayne 'war movies'as both rubbish and propaganda?Odd. . .

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
In Harm's Way
The Longest Day

PeterSibley
08-31-2011, 04:58 PM
My apologies,I haven't seen the first two .Every other Wayne war film,yes.

Paul Pless
08-31-2011, 05:03 PM
My apologies,I haven't seen the first two .Every other Wayne war film,yes.I'm not a huge fan of John Wayne, just wondering how you classify a movie like The Longest Day as propaganda? It was released twenty years after WWII, well after Korea, and before Vietnam ramped up with U.S. involvement?

PeterSibley
08-31-2011, 05:09 PM
It's all about glorification of the enterprise of war Paul, it's been par for the course from Hollywood .

WX
08-31-2011, 05:48 PM
Are you referring to the book by Malarkey or one of the two by Steven Ambrose, "Citizen Soldiers" or "D-Day," because I've read the latter two and have the former on my "to read" list.

I read the D Day book one year on a three and a half week self drive trip essentially starting at Colleville sur Mer (Omaha Beach) and loosely following the battle path across France, through the Ardennes, Bastogne and into Germany, eery, while at the same time it made the words on the pages read at night come alive having just walked some of the same ground earlier that day.
Band of Brothers by Stephen Ambrose, who I might add is a very fine author.

WX
08-31-2011, 05:58 PM
I wouldn't consider The Longest Day to be propaganda, I think for the 1960s it was an honest attempt to show what happened. if I remember rightly there is a scene that just shows blood trickling back into the sea.

htom
08-31-2011, 06:35 PM
Heinlein's Starship Troopers. :sigh:

The script for the film was first written as "Bug Hunt on Antares 9" and had no relation to Heinlein's novel. The director, hired for the aforementioned script, was informed that ST was to be merged into the film. He supposedly read the first two chapters, announced "This is a coming-of-age story, and I want to make a movie about killing aliens!" and threw it aside, never finishing it.

Some of the characters have similar names. That's about the only link.

About halfway through the movie, I discovered the secret of enjoying it: cheer for the bugs, the movie's a tragedy!

You can disagree with the themes and ideals and ideas in Heinlein's novel, but they're not shown in the movie. I highly recommend reading the book, by the way; it was for many years the only work of fiction to be recommended reading in all four military services -- the USMC, the Navy, the Army, and the Air Force -- the Coast Guard I don't know about.

PeterSibley
09-01-2011, 12:43 AM
I wouldn't consider The Longest Day to be propaganda, I think for the 1960s it was an honest attempt to show what happened. if I remember rightly there is a scene that just shows blood trickling back into the sea.

I find the idea of an honest representation of war from Hollywood in the 60s problematic .

Paul Girouard
09-01-2011, 12:50 AM
I find the idea of an honest representation of war from Hollywood in the 60s problematic .

Excellent observation Mr. Sibley, I guess there no sense in me selling you this bridge is there!!

Paul Pless
09-01-2011, 05:07 AM
I find the idea of an honest representation of war from Hollywood in the 60s problematic .Even movies like Johnny Got His Gun?

What about?

The Battle of Britian (1969)
Paths of Glory (1957)
Zulu (1967)
The Sand Pebbles (1966)


Somewhat surprisingly I find you laying the anti-Americanism on with an awfully wide brush. . .

PeterSibley
09-01-2011, 05:33 AM
Even movies like Johnny Got His Gun?

What about?

The Battle of Britian (1969)I haven't seen it for a very long time
Paths of Glory (1957)Pass
Zulu (1967)Very much glorification of war
The Sand Pebbles (1966)Absolute twaddle !


Somewhat surprisingly I find you laying the anti-Americanism on with an awfully wide brush. . .

Not anti Americanism, just anti jingoism, there is a difference .

Greeny
09-01-2011, 05:06 PM
The Adventures of Werner Holt - East German film about a German soldier in WWII.
Tora Tora Tora
The Dam Busters
Reach for the Sky
Sink the Bismark
A Bridge too far
Cockleshell heroes

WX
09-01-2011, 06:00 PM
Cockleshell Heros. Bondie Hasler the leader of that raid went on to research and design the modified junk rig.

John Smith
09-01-2011, 06:29 PM
Am I the only one who saw James Garner's "36 Hours?" Maybe it was $32 hours" Plot was the German's drugged him. When he came to he had been artificially aged and was in a hospital where everyone spoke English. Even the newspapers had dates from several years in the future, all to convince him D Day was long ago and get him to talk about it.

It would have worked, too, except for a paper cut he had gotten the day before. When he wiped some salt of the table and the cut hurt, he knew what was going on, but he had already spilled some of the beans.

Jim Ledger
09-01-2011, 07:41 PM
"The Train"

Stanley Kubricks "Paths of Glory".

htom
09-01-2011, 09:43 PM
36 Hours it is. Tomato Watcher's score of 79% fresh. An early psycho-thriller, worth watching.

purri
09-02-2011, 12:07 AM
Attack of the Killer Tomatos

Mars Attacks

RFNK
09-02-2011, 01:58 AM
I love these lists but let me add that I bought the DVD of Riddle of the Sands on a recommendation from one of these threads! What a shocker of a movie!!

Another vote for Tora! Tora! Tora! I've also liked just about every Japanese war movie I've seen but I can't remember the name of my favourite. It's in B & W and is about a Japanese soldier who takes it upon himself to start burying the dead after the war in the Pacific (I think).

Not a typical war movie but Nausicaš of the Valley of the Wind (http://forum.woodenboat.com/wiki/Nausica%C3%A4_of_the_Valley_of_the_Wind_(film)) is unbeatable in my mind.
Rick

PeterSibley
09-02-2011, 05:02 AM
Now Rick ! Dulcinea was beautiful to make up for all faults .

Regarding the Japanese ex soldier , do you mean the ''Boneman of Kokoda'' ? I have the book here if you are interested .

RFNK
09-11-2011, 11:26 PM
No, I don't think that was it. I saw it in about 1975 so it's a pretty old movie.

Dulcinea? I guess that was the boat was it? Really, what a stupid movie!!

Rick

WX
09-11-2011, 11:35 PM
I tried to watch Inglourious Basterds recently and all I can say is what unmitigated rubbish.

Soundbounder
09-12-2011, 09:53 AM
Off the top of my head:

Das Boot
Deer Hunter
All Quiet On The Western Front
Bridge Over The River Kwai
Guns Of Navarone

bamamick
09-12-2011, 10:06 AM
A war film that I have always thought fantastic is 'Glory' with Matthew Broderick and Denzel Washington. It's one of the few that really build up the characters AND terminates in the true horror of what close combat must really be like.

I have a lot of films here. More than a sane person would have around. And of course, with an interest in history I have quite a few war films, but generally I don't like those kinds of movies. I like the small stories better.

Mickey Lake

Namekogan
09-12-2011, 10:12 AM
Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh, recreates the 1942 Wannsee conference near Berlin.
Quietly chilling.

Also, Leni Riefenstahl's 1935 Triumph of the Will.

bamamick
09-12-2011, 10:18 AM
Just a casual look at one small stack among the hundreds of movies I have here shows this:

The Reader
Kingdom Of Heaven
Monsieur N (about Napolean's time on St. Helena)
Ride with the Devil (pretty good film, not much talked about)
Gandhi
The Four Feathers (the newer one)
My Boy Jack
The Horatio Hornblower boxed set from A&E, back when A&E still did decent television
The Alamo (the older one)

and on and on. That's probably from a stack that makes up 5% of the movies here so it's a small sampling.

Ridiculous, eh?

Mickey Lake

jerryrichter
09-12-2011, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE=RFNK;3111331]I
I've also liked just about every Japanese war movie I've seen but I can't remember the name of my favourite. It's in B & W and is about a Japanese soldier who takes it upon himself to start burying the dead after the war in the Pacific (I think).

I think this is "The Burmese Harp," or "Harps of Burma." One of my favorites.

Kevin T
09-12-2011, 04:17 PM
Band of Brothers by Stephen Ambrose, who I might add is a very fine author.

I couldn't remember on which thread this recommendation was until it popped up again this afternoon. I downloaded the book onto my Kindle about a week or so later and have been tearing through it each night before bed. Thanks WX for the recommendation, not sure how it slipped by me as I've read everything of Ambrose's, and I am enjoying this one just as much.Y> Thanks again.

RFNK
09-13-2011, 12:28 AM
[QUOTE=RFNK;3111331]I
I've also liked just about every Japanese war movie I've seen but I can't remember the name of my favourite. It's in B & W and is about a Japanese soldier who takes it upon himself to start burying the dead after the war in the Pacific (I think).

I think this is "The Burmese Harp," or "Harps of Burma." One of my favorites.

It could be. I'll look it up and see if it's the one. Thanks!
Rick

RFNK
09-13-2011, 12:30 AM
A war film that I have always thought fantastic is 'Glory' with Matthew Broderick and Denzel Washington. It's one of the few that really build up the characters AND terminates in the true horror of what close combat must really be like.

I have a lot of films here. More than a sane person would have around. And of course, with an interest in history I have quite a few war films, but generally I don't like those kinds of movies. I like the small stories better.

Mickey Lake

But who cares what a sane person would have around?
Rick

ishmael
09-13-2011, 04:08 AM
I don't think "Seven Samurai" has been mentioned. Kurasowa's masterpiece, IMHO. The brigands have a few guns, but the majority of the action is with swords. It's poignant as to the causes and cost.

The villagers are being raided, so they pool their pennies and hire some professionals to defend them. A wicked nasty fight follows. All filmed in a stark black and white.

PeterSibley
09-13-2011, 04:16 AM
I don't think "Seven Samurai" has been mentioned. Kurasowa's masterpiece, IMHO. The brigands have a few guns, but the majority of the action is with swords. It's poignant as to the causes and cost.

The villagers are being raided, so they pool their pennies and hire some professionals to defend them. A wicked nasty fight follows. All filmed in a stark black and white.
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If you enjoyed Seven Samurai ( on which the Magnificent Seven was based ) you will enjoy '13 Assassins ' which is in new release now .

ishmael
09-13-2011, 05:04 AM
Peter,

One of my favorite scenes in "Seven Samurai" is toward the beginning, when a blustering bully challenges a sword master to a fight. The master tries to demure, knowing he's going to kill this man if it comes to a fight, but the bully won't let it go. On the sidelines another good hand with a sword, and eventual leader of the troupe, says "It's so obvious.'

I'll look for the film you recomended.

PeterSibley
09-13-2011, 05:19 AM
Here's a trailer .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpm007vne54